Crytek: PCs Are a Generation Ahead of Consoles

[ZippyDSMlee]

I think the irony of this is that the PC's aren't capable of handling many of the pretty console games.
This statement is void.

Umm any dual core 2.0Ghz or higher CPU with a 8th generation or so ATI or invida card and 2GB of ram can easily do PS3/360 graphics or better.

There are more mid range PCs capable of doing it with a simple graphic card update than PS3s sold (and 1/8 of that number thats better than a PS3 and 360 put together hardware speaking) the trouble comes from target audience and other nuances which can not be simplified by gray suits or net trolls.

More or less this. The heart of the matter is that the thing that keeps PC gaming down more than any other is the disparity in hardware. This means that, as a programmer, you're generally forced to compromise efficiency for stability across as many different pieces of hardware as possible. This often means solving problems though brute force when there was often a better (less computationally expensive) way available for a specific hardware configuration.

Well I think it would help if they stuck to standards IE DX 8,9 and 10(and the main video cards in those lines),ect they would find it easier than trying to do their own driver support. But you are going to have a more difficult time with PCs( and 360s its just a mess hardware wise as far as each unit being a perfect copy of the other) than consoles.

Still if the industry put their mind to it and covered DX hardware from 8 to 11 and opened up drivers a bit so the community can expand on them as needed I think whatever hardware issues that PC have from a dev stand point would be heavily mitigated, but devs are the lastest things ever.... er or is that programmers

 

[jamesworkshop]

Yeah but then you have to play with a mouse and keyboard. Thats a sacrifice I will never make.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EbDzllo3vtI&feature=related

you can use whatever you like

It can actually be improved by a Wiimote!

Would you play hack and slash Devil may cry on a keyboard? I think not

but you can play on a pc with any console controller of your choice along with hundreds of other types of controllers. Your point is nullified.

Re-read my post I had a video of

1. PS3 controller in crysis on PC

2. Wii remote laying Devil may cry 4 on PC



http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EbDzllo3vtI&feature=related

 

[duchaked]

in a day and age when more sophisticated gamers recognize that graphics don't make the game...whatever (which is why Avatar didn't blow away a lot of gamers...looks nice but the story wasn't stellar the end)

PCs aren't ahead at all
well...jk some are, many are
like they can be
if you put the time and money in the right hands
but not all computers
not the one my parent's have
not the standard issue ones the university has
well okay the one that one of my friend has that he made himself and upgrades it with new parts and specs and-okay yeah I'm done lol

 

[duchaked]

Yeah but then you have to play with a mouse and keyboard. Thats a sacrifice I will never make.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EbDzllo3vtI&feature=related

you can use whatever you like

It can actually be improved by a Wiimote!

Would you play hack and slash Devil may cry on a keyboard? I think not

but you can play on a pc with any console controller of your choice along with hundreds of other types of controllers. Your point is nullified.

I personally enjoy couch gaming on a tv in the living room otherwise I'd still be gaming more on the PC
(that, and unlike my more nerdy-er, techie/computer science buds, I don't know how or have time/money to upgrade a PC to gaming specs)

but yeah my friend used my 360 controller to play some N64 games on his laptop lol

 

[duchaked]

i'm pretty sure the xbox clocks in at a measly 800mhz

standard issue has its advantages and disadvantages, mate

 

[likalaruku]

I don't really have a problem with that; if it wasn't held back, I 'd have to buy a new graphics card twice a year instead of one ever 6 years.

 

[toastmastah_extravaganzah]

What was it Goethe said? "Genius shows itself when restrained." Something like that. Crytek should, in fact, be thankful that they are being held back as that forces them to make a better game than they otherwise could have gotten away with.

The true heroes of this story is in fact sony and microsoft, for keeping the 360 and ps3 alive long enough to finally contain true gems. Don't think of it as this generation of consoles being too short, instead remember that earlier generation were given up on before they had reached their fullest.

 

[Programmed_For_Damage]

News just in - water is wet.

Yeah we all know that PCs are more powerful than consoles; why rehash old info?

Also Crytek need to get their hand off it if they reckon Crysis 2 will be the best looking game on both the PS3 and Xbox 360. Gears of War 3 will easily eclipse it on the 360 and Killzone 3 will no doubt kill it on the PS3.

 

[nipsen]

Yeah we all know that PCs are more powerful than consoles; why rehash old info?

..it's still not actually correct, though. As in, not true. "Everyone knows" isn't a good argument to prove something either. Specially when the idea of how the industry standard architecture allowing competition and rapid development, and so on - what that idea is built on - isn't true any longer.

Just as an example - we now have about.. fifty different standard sockets and northbridge solutions. Half of them aim to deliberately circumvent the main bus. DMA on hdd reads and writes is specifically designed towards an interconnector solution.

Why is that, if the ISA is such a brilliant solution that always will perform the best?

Truth is that it doesn't. There are bottlenecks in PC architecture now that forces the next generation platforms to have a different solution.

And since there's no new ISA taking over - specially since peripherals and cpu production is a lucrative business (see intel's spat with nvidia over motherboards with integrated gpu and cpu solutions on one chip) - this means that PCs are lagging behind.

 

[Sikachu]

I guess the rather long console cycle has also let PC's go even further ahead graphically - since console cycles were shorter before, I guess they might have been able to 'catch up' (so to speak) with PC's more frequently in the past... Though, I hastened to point out this is an amateur speaking who has only really been following the gaming industry since this generation of consoles

Still, I remain a console player at heart (even though my PS3 is far away at home and I have no TV at uni... *sniff*) - I honestly don't have £5000 or however much to invest in a big gaming powerhouse of a PC, and my little 13" MacBook Pro can't really compete against my PS3 graphically speaking

Also, graphics aren't everything Crytek! In many cases high-end graphics themselves can hold back games too - just look at Minecraft!

I'm going to be honest here, if Crytek are hampered in creativity terms because of the hardware/graphical limitations of the console systems... then I fear for the innovation department in Crytek =\

Stop wasting £1000+ on a piece of shit Trust Tomy Trendmaster laptop and you could easily build a gaming PC. I built my tower for £600 2 years ago and still haven't needed to upgrade. Ignorance is the biggest enemy of the potential PC gamer - there's a lot of ramp-up before you're confident that you know what you're doing. You've got lots of people with a wealth of experience here to help you through if you want to learn.

FYI we (me and my housemates) have a PS3 two gaming-standard PCs, one Trust Tomy Trendtower (that I'm using right now) and one Trust Tomy Trendmaster laptop (bricked) in the house - I'm fluent on all of them (more or less) and beyond the experience of being treated as though you were an idiot by the operating system, I really can't see why both this crappy tower and the bricked laptop cost more than the two MORE powerful gaming PCs or the PS3. Re: consoles and PCs, I've played the Orange Box games on both PS3 (which you will have splashed what, £400?) and the experience on the Playstation is far inferior. GT5, on the other hand, is FUCKING AMAZING.

 

[nipsen]

i would be a happy man if platforms didn't exist and gaming as a whole was held to a much higher standard

..so.. let me guess - you have a Windows computer, and look forward to the next directx version? Probably have steam, and buy games on disc with numbers after the title. ..?

 

[justnotcricket]

I'll go ahead and jump on the 'because buying/kitting out a PC that will run this dude's idea of a cutting edge game is impossibly expensive' bandwagon.

Gaming is an expensive hobby, fine. But it's much more attractive to be able to buy one machine that will play all the latest games for several years. He might want to remember that actual FUN can be had on any of the platforms. All that he can really make a difference to with powerful PCs is graphics, and that should never be the be all and end all of a game.

Besides, the only reasons to own a PC for gaming (in my view) are FPSs (although I personally think consoles have made great strides in that respect ) and RTSs. Since I'm not a super huge fan of either genre, I don't feel compelled to invest in a gaming PC.

Oh, also maybe point and click adventure games. But, depending on the vintage, pretty much any average modern PC should be able to run those ;-)

 

[uc.asc]

Sounds accurate. Consoles haven't had a refresh in a very long time, and since most games are released for both console and PC there has been no need for PC owners to upgrade.

As a PC owner this gets annoying when, say, ME2 (2010) comes out and has the same poly count as ME1 (2007), which itself was much lower than crysis (also 2007). Some of the ME2 environments have such low detail it actually damages immersion, while my not-cutting-edge graphics card was happily humming along at refresh rate.

Just one more reason to hate consoles. I'll add that to ports that are completely unplayable (deadspace) or that won't let you disable auto-aim because console controllers are so shitty they can't be played without it.

EDIT: And all this cover-based garbage as well. I'm tired of being shit on because of the inadequacies of consoles. They only exist because single purpose systems used to be cheaper than a real computer, but somehow they became the dominant paradigm and now the entire medium is crippled by their bullshit.

 

[ZombieGenesis]

To be fair, it's true. But we're looking at two budget ranges here.

£200-300: Console
£300-600: PC

Just depends how much you can afford to spend on games. To be honest though, buying console gaes for £60 is pretty laughable when the steam sales come along and you can pick up Black Ops for like, £10 for PC.

Anyway! Anybody here know much about PC hardware? Trying to find a compatable motherboard for a new build (i5 760/GTX 470)

 

[uc.asc]

To be fair, it's true. But we're looking at two budget ranges here.

£200-300: Console
£300-600: PC

I have an idea, take the money that would be spent on a console and add it to your PC budget.

 

[ZombieGenesis]

To be fair, it's true. But we're looking at two budget ranges here.

£200-300: Console
£300-600: PC

I have an idea, take the money that would be spent on a console and add it to your PC budget.

Well...okay YEAH, if you know what you're doing that's a fair direction to take. For example, I COULD spend upwards of £300 on the Xbox Super-Elite Big Black C*** or whatever they're calling it, but instead I'm throwing that into a high end gaming PC.
BUT the problem is, people aren't aware of how to do this. Or that they even can.

Just look at what Dell is advertising as a 'gaming pc'. The alienware brand goes between £2000-3000+ at high end ... and those use 5770 graphics! That's tiny by todays standards.
The highest graphics card I've seen in an alienware is a GTX 460 and those sell for about £130! Where does that extra few thousand come from? Donuts?

Moral of the story; the industry knows most people are ignorant of PCs, so they jack up the price and make it all look more complicated than it is.