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thenumberthirteen

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In my opinion CSI and its spin-offs are great shows and have, for better or for worse, reinvented the cop drama. While some episodes feel like modern day "Quincy" they are, on the whole, well directed and well written. However there are a few things that I have a problem with.

Now I understand that a lot of concessions have to be made and accuracy has to be scaled back for the sake of the drama (like how they turn up at crime scenes looking for single skin flakes while wearing their street clothes, and Simpsons style "Did I say weeks I meant seconds" DNA tests). But I was watching CSI: New York (it was the 1st episode of, what is in england, the new series) and they had a HOLODECK! That was the straw that broke the camel's back. I mean you can bend the truth but they had a full fledged hologram of a dead body that had been scanned in the field (a bank vault in this case) and they where preforming an e-autopsy on it. CSI seems to be focused on realism, and can go to great lengths to show how science is used to solve a crime, so why do you have to resort to sci-fi technology? A virtual image on a computer screen would have sufficed. I'm perfectly fine with holograms in science fiction shows and the like as it is relevant to the genre, but not in fact based dramas.

I know this may sound like a rant, but I have a point. CSI is a popular show, and I see it as a antidote to god awful shows like "Ghost Whisperer" or "Medium". I'm just saying that this could be a slippery slope. The thing is there are loads of cool scientific advancements that, to my knowledge, CSI hasn't used yet. Like how you can get DNA from hairs even without skin on them, and you know that bit form The Dark Knight where they get a fingerprint from a shattered bullet you can actually do that! Scientists can get fingerprints from exploded bombs, even if they have been wiped totally clean.

So CSI can you please stick with the science and away from the science fiction.
 

MooseLord

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I haven't seen this episode. However, holograms have been used on television before. Probably not to the extent it was on CSI, but I saw one during the presidential elections. Also, the show is for entertainment. Don't jump on it's flaws so fast.
 

Labyrinth

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There have always been discrepancies in such shows. They have all the whiz-bang technology that they could possibly want to show off, and take very little actual responsibility for such a thing.

My biggest gripe here is the costuming. It's very bad taste to have investigators waltzing into a crime scene without sterile covers over their shoes, hairnets and the like. The same can be said for laboratory scenes in which the character has no safety glasses on, hair out, and their lab coat undone. It's bad practice.

The real question is "Can these be set aside in favour of the show itself?" On occasion, as you said, yes. Other times it gets a little too far fetched and the entire program becomes ridiculous. I've found that more with the later spin-offs such as CSI:NY. For all I love Abi.. dear god she has bad lab habits.
 

EXPLICITasian

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CSI:las vegas was good, miami and new york can go fuck themselves... the show just gets so old though (goes into room, looks for hair or semen, finds a dead guy/girl in a strange position/area, makes a snappy comment), blah blah, suspect suspect, twist, twist, found semen/hair after looking harder at scene, find killer...
 

mad_mick

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all you need to be a good crime scene invesergator is a torch, some background music, and the hope that the criminal ejaculated on teh way out :p
 

Locust

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I find it moderately entertaining, but almost all my friends who are experienced in the field hate this show completely, and it's possible to see why. They always seem to make some kind of miraculous break-through or lucky find in a short period of time and end up finding the killer every time, when in reality the process can take months or years and they still may not have found the killer.

Still, if any good comes of CSI, it's that it's so popular it has an influence on the public, and stupid people will feel a lot less inclined to murder if they think they'll get caught so easily.
 

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those shows are having bad effects on court cases as ppl think they are real and they can do all those tests they do in the show. so they let ppl off on charges they are guilty of because of a lack of csi style tests
 

SinisterDeath

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I hate CSI: Miami.
Dead guy is decapitated, and in his hands is a hat, a police officer is talking to a tramatuized wife 10 feet away.

Horatio: "at least he won't need to wear that hat anymore."

He is a Prick!
 

Jinx_Dragon

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I've never been big on the series, particularly the run off, cause of how they would focus on drama effects instead of the evidence and would 'skew-if' what science they did have just to make a nice easily solved case in less then one episode. This is particularly true when it comes to sexual kinks, something the original loved parading around. This was easily true if doing a REAL investigation would of prevented showing off the fact that human beings are into some really weird shit. Highlight: the 'furry' episode where they didn't get around to talking to the only person who might of witnessed a shooting till right at the end.

I always thought talking to potential witnesses was one of the FIRST things you did?!

The straw for me: I never watched the episode but I heard about it and was glad I stopped watching a long time before this one. Hurricane hits Miami and some how, cause the laws of physics must of been broken by the force of this storm, it was digging coffins out of the ground and throwing them thousands of feet into the air. Crime scene? Completely untouched! Nothing shifted, moved or disturbed in any way. This was critical as they found shell casings which led back to the killer. The crime scene was in a large skyscraper that had every window shattered, even sustained structure damage, but this one room sea facing room with a very good view of a now ruined city?

Pristine.
 

Adam Jenson

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As an advocate of good ol' fashion detective work, I can't say I really enjoy the shows though I respect the science behind it, not the practice.
 
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mad_mick said:
all you need to be a good crime scene invesergator is a torch, some background music, and the hope that the criminal ejaculated on teh way out :p
*removes glasses*
Well, that's coming soon.

WOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOAW!
 

Fire Daemon

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I always laugh at how they find semen at nearly every crime scene. There was one episode where a roller coaster cart breaks, falls off the tracks and kills like six people. The CSI team discovers that the cart has semen in it and spend most of their time discovering why there was semen in the cart. What a pointless thing to happen! Its like the writers throw this stuff all over the script. There was another episode where a car ran into a restaurant and killed some people. They found semen in the car. I turned off the TV.

I do enjoy it when I can be bothered to watch it but some of the things they come up with just fucking stupid... and involves semen.
 

Harry Bosch

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As a fella studying Criminology at university I can say I hate this show with the intensity of a thousand suns. On one hand you got parts that don't even begin to be accurate but on the other hand you have the CSI Effect http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/CSI_Effect which just makes life hard.
 

Novajam

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Bah! Forensic crime dramas are all the same. I'll stick with proper, engaging shows like Life On Mars, Monk, The Sweeney and, of course, Matlock.

MAAAAAAAAAAAAAATLOOOOOOOOOOCK!
 

Steeveeo

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thenumberthirteen said:
But I was watching CSI: New York (it was the 1st episode of, what is in england, the new series) and they had a HOLODECK!
I am pretty sure that was Bones, I just watched an episode of that not too long ago, and it had the exact thing you described. BTW, the most high-tech thing I've seen in the CSI group is CSI: Miami's seethrough touchpanels (want).

Fire Daemon said:
I always laugh at how they find semen at nearly every crime scene...Its like the writers throw this stuff all over the script.
Heh.
 

Rhayn

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I giggle every time they touch evidence without rubber gloves. Other than that, I know so little of forensics so I can watch most of the CSI's and and similar series.
 

thenumberthirteen

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Steeveeo said:
thenumberthirteen said:
But I was watching CSI: New York (it was the 1st episode of, what is in england, the new series) and they had a HOLODECK!
I am pretty sure that was Bones, I just watched an episode of that not too long ago, and it had the exact thing you described. BTW, the most high-tech thing I've seen in the CSI group is CSI: Miami's seethrough touchpanels (want).
No it was definitely CSI new york, i've only ever seen one episode of Bones. They had a room that looked like a recording studio and they projected a 3D hologram of the dead guy and used it to find out how he died (he had a bullet hole in the head so i think it was money well spent)