Cuties - WTF am I seeing here?

[lil devils x]

It does seem that its the marketing that has caused the real problem here. I saw the poster before watching the trailer and so my view of its content was influenced by that.

The French poster looks like this.

I am not sure why either poster would be a problem here. It isn't like girl's having skin is lava here. I just wish people would stop trying to be the damn modesty police and force girls to be ashamed of their own bodies. It is BS and no different than trying to cover them with Burkas. Girls wear hater tops, shorts, miniskirts, bikinis and leotards and it is fine for them to so so. What some dude thinks about what they wear is his problem, not theirs. They should be able to wear what they want to wear. if they are dancers, they wear dance gear, that it appears they are doing there.

 

[Xprimentyl]

See, my problem here is not with them wearing standard dance gear, it is with people thinking it is okay to claim they are dressed like skanks for wearing standard dance gear. Modesty police in full force I see? We wore all sorts of skimpy outfits when I was in Ballet, dance, cheer and gymnastics.. I do not see anything wrong with what they are wearing. I am sure the girls love reading comments like this. Must work wonders on their self esteem at such a young age.

I don't know of any pre-teens that dress like that as a "standard" in dance classes. Also, the "skanks" stem from the fact that they're clearly being sexualized; look at those poses; "standard" in a Sir Mix-A-Lot video, maybe...

 

[Specter Von Baren]

I am not sure why either poster would be a problem here. It isn't like girl's having skin is lava here. I just wish people would stop trying to be the damn modesty police and force girls to be ashamed of their own bodies. It is BS and no different than trying to cover them with Burkas. Girls wear hater tops, shorts, miniskirts, bikinis and leotards and it is fine for them to so so. What some dude thinks about what they wear is his problem, not theirs.

No no, I'm saying the French poster isn't a problem.

 

[lil devils x]

I don't know of any pre-teens that dress like that as a "standard" in dance classes. Also, the "skanks" stem from the fact that they're clearly being sexualized; look at those poses; "standard" in a Sir Mix-A-Lot video, maybe...

That IS what they are wearing in hip hop dance these days FYI. Those are the poses they do in hip hop because those are what the hip hop artists do.. Hell Brittany Spears dance outfits were even worse. yet we had every 4 yr old on the planet trying to be her as well. That is how this works in dance.

 

[Xprimentyl]

I am not sure why either poster would be a problem here. It isn't like girl's having skin is lava here. I just wish people would stop trying to be the damn modesty police and force girls to be ashamed of their own bodies. It is BS and no different than trying to cover them with Burkas. Girls wear hater tops, shorts, miniskirts, bikinis and leotards and it is fine for them to so so. What some dude thinks about what they wear is his problem, not theirs.

That IS what they are wearing in hip hop dance these days FYI. Those are the poses they do in hip hop because those are what the hip hop artists do.. Hell Brittany Spears dance outfits were even worse.

It's NOT the outfits alone, it's the overt sexualization of minor girls; the suggestive ways in which they're posed. That has nothing to do with being a "modesty police" or shaming girls' bodies; it about decency in a world where children like them are sex trafficked and abused every day.

 

[lil devils x]

No no, I'm saying the French poster isn't a problem.

Neither is the other one. LOL Take the shorts on the girl on the right in the poster and put them on the girl next to her instead of the pants and she now has the same amount of clothing on as she did in the other poster. People just need to stop modesty policing girls all together. Boys can run around topless all day long and no one bats an eye.

 

[lil devils x]

It's NOT the outfits alone, it's the overt sexualization of minor girls; the suggestive ways in which they're posed. That has nothing to do with being a "modesty police" or shaming girls' bodies; it about decency in a world where children like them are sex trafficked and abused every day.

The problem here is equating what a girl wears to bad people doing bad things and those two things should NEVER be put together because it isn't even true. Listen to the music the kids are listening to these days and you will see WHY they are in those positions. Just watch the videos of the music artists and the girls are just doing what is considered standard dance these days. That is just what girls really do. We imitated whatever popular artist at the time, and this is what is in right now. That has ZERO to do with rape and human trafficking however. The predators actually target modest dressers and shy girls, not flashy dressers according to all the research we have on the subject.

 

[Gordon_4]

Neither is the other one. LOL Take the shorts on the girl on the right in the poster and put them on the girl next to her instead of the pants and she now has the same amount of clothing on as she did in the other poster. People just need to stop modesty policing girls all together. Boys can run around topless all day a long and no one bats an eye.

I have a weird feeling the French poster is going to be more representative of the movie's tone and direction. Kind of like a demented application of American Kirby is Hardcore.

 

[lil devils x]

I have a weird feeling the French poster is going to be more representative of the movie's tone and direction. Kind of like a demented application of American Kirby is Hardcore.

According to what I saw, this about girls who formed a dance group to get away from the other problems they faced, so the dance group photo is completely appropriate.

 

[Xprimentyl]

The problem here is equating what a girl wears to bad people doing bad things and those two things should NEVER be put together because it isn't even true. Listen to the music the kids are listening to these days and you will see WHY they are in those positions. Just watch the videos of the music artists and the girls are just doing what is considered standard dance these days. That is just what girls really do. We imitated whatever popular artist at the time, and this is what is in right now. That has ZERO to do with rape and human trafficking however. The predators actually target modest dressers and shy girls, not flashy dressers according to all the research we have on the subject.

I'm not "equating" what they're wearing to rape, again, it's not about the outfits alone. We don't even have MENTION them anymore; that's not at issue. My issue is marketing a coming of age film with four minor children, some of which are standing in a sexually suggestive manor. I don't care what "kids these days" listen to, how they dance or who they imitate (which doesn't make everything that falls into those categories objectively ok; kids can be wrong, as well, even young women who're proud of their bodies can do wrong things with them; ) I'm saying the marketing of MY film called "Cuties" would not be minor girls suggesting sex. That's ALL.

 

[lil devils x]

I'm not "equating" what they're wearing to rape, again, it's not about the outfits alone. We don't even have MENTION them anymore; that's not at issue. My issue is marketing a coming of age film with four minor children, some of which are standing in a sexually suggestive manor. I don't care what "kids these days" listen to, how they dance or who they imitate (which doesn't make everything that falls into those categories objectively ok; kids can be wrong, as well, even young women who're proud of their bodies can do wrong things with them; ) I'm saying the marketing of MY film called "Cuties" would not be minor girls suggesting sex. That's ALL.

See now I don't actually view them as being portrayed in a sexually suggestive manor, but then again I didn't think the photos they published of me with my crotch front and center spread eagle on the front page of the local newspaper as I did the splits in the middle of the air in my leotard as sexually suggestive either. When I viewed the poster, I didn't view it as sexual at all TBH. I just saw a dance group in standard dance attire doing the current dance poses that they are doing right now. I see the reading of it as being sexually suggestive as the problem. They are not wearing lingerie, they are wearing dance attire. They are not rubbing themselves or being suggestive in any way, just the standard modern poses being used by thousands of girls all across the US and other nations because those are the newest dance moves.

Trying to turn that into something else as far as I am concerned is on the individual viewer because not everyone even thinks that way. I assure you other girls across the US certainly are not thinking of it like that either, they just see a dance team, the same as I do. What some dude thinks about it is irrelevant tbh, it is about what the girls think about it themselves that is important in the end.

EDIT: hell if they think that is inappropriate, wait till they get a hold of some of our native american dance poses and moves.. LMAO

IN addition, who is it that decides what is " right and wrong" for young women to do with their own bodies? That line there in your post sort of rubbed me the wrong way here. That again seems like you think the modesty police should be a thing here and that seems really messed up tbh.

 

[Odin]

I'm with lil devils on this one. Something I noticed over the last few years is that plenty of people are willing to comment and complain about the attire of young girls, whether its skirts being too short or bikinis being supposedly immodest. Interestingly, I've never heard anyone make a equivalent comment about a boy. Nobody complains about a young boy wearing speedos or shorts above the knees. That I think is telling about our attitudes as a society.

 

[Casual Shinji]

When I view the poster above, I do not see it as "sexualizing" young girls as much as I see it "empowering" them to feel confident in their own skin. When I was in gymnastics, dance, cheer and ballet, i wore skimpy outfits, but I certainly did not want any more clothing on me while I performed, it just gets in the way.

It's the poses more than the outfits that are a little on the questionable side. The whole butt sticking out "twerk" type stance... eh. And I know kids like to copy adult behaviour in that way, but this poster was designed by an adult and I doubt it was to appeal to children. Not that I'm saying it was done as jerk-off material for pedophiles either, but you can tell they purposely tried to be risqué with this.

Either way, the trailer feels like its own thing. I just hope the kids that are in this movie don't get too much shit over this online, because that's kinda the times we're living in.

 

[lil devils x]

It's the poses more than the outfits that are a little on the questionable side. The whole butt sticking out "twerk" type stance... eh. And I know kids like to copy adult behaviour in that way, but this poster was designed by an adult and I doubt it was to appeal to children. Not that I'm saying it was done as jerk-off material for pedophiles either, but you can tell they purposely tried to be risqué with this.

Either way, the trailer feels like its own thing. I just hope the kids that are in this movie don't get too much shit over this online, because that's kinda the times we're living in.

It is like people forgot swing dancing was a thing..

There was literally a move in the 1950's where the girl was essentially sitting on the guy's face.. and you had all the 4 yr old girls trying to do these moves as well. It isn't like these new dance moves and poses are any worse. Just how we had tons of girls with their skirts over their heads in the 50's we have tons of girls now twerking it up because that is what the dance moves are now. Not a big deal really, and I am not sure why people are making it out to be. Pedo's will jerk off to anything, what they do has no bearing on what girls should and should not do. We are not going to start Burka'ing up all the girls because some dude gets off from seeing any part of them either. These poses are harmless and the girls do not deserve to be modesty policed simply because some dudes get the wrong idea. Them getting the wrong idea is 100% on them, not the girls. I actually do not see them as trying to be risqué with this at all, instead it looks pretty standard. They are not touching themselves, puckering up for the camera, licking lips.. No, just standard dance poses as far as I can see here. The reading of it any other way is on the viewer, not anything the girls are actually doing here.

 

[Gordon_4]

It is like people forgot swing dancing was a thing..

There was literally a move in the 1950's where the girl was essentially sitting on the guy's face.. and you had all the 4 yr old girls trying to do these moves as well. It isn't like these new dance moves and poses are any worse. Just how we had tons of girls with their skirts over their heads in the 50's we have tons of girls now twerking it up because that is what the dance moves are now. Not a big deal really, and I am not sure why people are making it out to be. Pedo's will jerk off to anything, what they do has no bearing on what girls should and should not do. We are not going to start Burka'ing up all the girls because some dude gets off from seeing any part of them either. These poses are harmless and the girls do not deserve to be modesty policed simply because some dudes get the wrong idea. Them getting the wrong idea is 100% on them, not the girls. I actually do not see them as trying to be risqué with this at all, instead it looks pretty standard. They are not touching themselves, puckering up for the camera, licking lips.. No, just standard dance poses as far as I can see here. The reading of it any other way is on the viewer, not anything the girls are actually doing here.

For a hot minute I thought that was a picture from a Judo club because it looks like she’s about to hit the deck from an Ogoshi throw.

 

[Worgen]

Oh, its some kinda drama thing, from the earlier posts I thought it was like that weird tlc talent show from while back.

Growing up in the Bible belt in the US, a lot of this hits home. Girls are constantly receiving mixed messages about who they are and what everyone else expects them to be. My brother's girlfriends parents tried to send her out of state and marry her off at the age of 14 to some old man, my brother literally hid her at my parents home to stop it from happening when he was 13 and this is the wealthiest per sq ft county in the state of Texas, not some land far away... this crap is still happening in the US:

Fuck man, do people not realize that someone as young as these people cannot consent? What the fuck, I mean I know that people don't realize that since I have heard of this shit happening, but its still weird to think of not only some guy being into this but also the girls family being all "go for it honey, your 12 years old, start pumping out the grand kids."

 

[Chimpzy]

For a hot minute I thought that was a picture from a Judo club because it looks like she’s about to hit the deck from an Ogoshi throw.

I love how enthusiastic they look about it then:

"Hey babe, ready to get your head smashed onto the ground again?"
"Sure, sugar, I love concussions and neck braces!"

 

[Xprimentyl]

See now I don't actually view them as being portrayed in a sexually suggestive manor, but then again I didn't think the photos they published of me with my crotch front and center spread eagle on the front page of the local newspaper as I did the splits in the middle of the air in my leotard as sexually suggestive either. When I viewed the poster, I didn't view it as sexual at all TBH. I just saw a dance group in standard dance attire doing the current dance poses that they are doing right now. I see the reading of it as being sexually suggestive as the problem. They are not wearing lingerie, they are wearing dance attire. They are not rubbing themselves or being suggestive in any way, just the standard modern poses being used by thousands of girls all across the US and other nations because those are the newest dance moves.

Trying to turn that into something else as far as I am concerned is on the individual viewer because not everyone even thinks that way. I assure you other girls across the US certainly are not thinking of it like that either, they just see a dance team, the same as I do. What some dude thinks about it is irrelevant tbh, it is about what the girls think about it themselves that is important in the end.

EDIT: hell if they think that is inappropriate, wait till they get a hold of some of our native american dance poses and moves.. LMAO

IN addition, who is it that decides what is " right and wrong" for young women to do with their own bodies? That line there in your post sort of rubbed me the wrong way here. That again seems like you think the modesty police should be a thing here and that seems really messed up tbh.

You’re right; what this dude thinks is irrelevant outside of my opinion as this bit or marketing already exists despite my personal objection to it.

You’re right; those dance poses are common in modern dance, but you’re ignoring that many of them are sexual in nature. The child in the back-left is twerking; a quick Google search? “Twerking: dance to popular music in a sexually provocative manner involving thrusting hip movements and a low, squatting stance.” While imitation is common, it’s not always appropriate. Unless you’re willing to concede that you’d be ok if these young girls were depicted drinking, smoking and having sex as those are common things normally relegate to adults that are prevalent throughout many things they are exposed to and could readily imitate, if just doing what they see is an adequate qualifier?

Who decides what’s right and wrong what young GIRLS do with their bodies? Outside of laws in place for their protection, no one save for their parents, and even then only to a certain age, but that doesn’t mean their choices are objectively appropriate. You’re perfectly fine with what you see in that poster; I am not. Both of our opinions are shared by many, and both are irrelevant.

 

[happyninja42]

For a hot minute I thought that was a picture from a Judo club because it looks like she’s about to hit the deck from an Ogoshi throw.

I was mostly thinking "Wow, Matt Smith is really ready to smash that girl."

 

[Gordon_4]

I love how enthusiastic they look about it then:

"Hey babe, ready to get your head smashed onto the ground again?"
"Sure, sugar, I love concussions and neck braces!"

Nah, a throw like that ends with a training partner on their side in a breakfall. We’re you do it someone ‘live’ as it were, yeah, you drive their shoulder into the ground as hard as possible.