DA2 DLC Ripping Off ME2?

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honestdiscussioner

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I was perusing the various announcements for the upcoming Dragon Age 2 DLC "Mark of the Assassin", when I noticed a few disparaging comments about it. Not surprising, there's a lot of hate for DA2, not all of it unwarranted. However I was surprised to find that these were particularly about how Mark of the Assassin basically rips off the Kusami mission from ME2. This, I found rather unwarranted. Allow me to review what we know of these two DLC's and let's have a discussion on whether it is a rip off.

Beware, if you haven't played "Stolen Memory" on ME2, I'm about to spoil it for you, and even a few other tid bits from ME2. If you've already played it, feel free to skip over.

In Stolen Memory you are given a new team member, theif\Infiltrator Kusami. Unlike your regular team members, there is no mission to acquire here, you just talk to her and agree to eventually do her mission. The mission is basically to secure her loyalty for the suicide mission on the Collector base.

Her mission is to sneak into a mercanary leader's (Donovan Hock) home and steal a grey box, basically a storage device for human memory. Her plan is to make up a story about a small merc band and gets Shepard to play the role of said merc group's leader, thus getting him invited to a party the antagonist is throwing. She sneaks in Shepard's weapons by hiding them in a statue of Saren from ME1 as a tribute for the party. Shepard has to go and find ways to help Kasumi break into the vault, and when they accomplish this and find the grey box it is revealed that the Hock knew what was going on the whole time, and let Kasumi enter as a trap so that she could unlock the grey box for him. Without her, he'll never break the encryption. She and Shepard break out, and eventually defeat Hock in a giant gunship. The grey box is found to not only contain information damning against the Alliance, but also the memories of Kasumi's now dead lover. Shepard is given the choice to have her delete the files and save the Alliance a possible embarrassment, or keep the only thing that remains of her love but risk having it fall into the wrong hands. You can probably get through it in about an hour.

So that was "Stealing Memory". What do we know about Mark of the Assassin?

According to the trailer, it seems that Hawke is invited to a party, at which point (s)he is ambushed by Talis, who asks him to steal a jewel called "The Heart of the Many". It features large open environments, traps, monsters, and a private guard of Orlesian Chevaliers, the most renowned knights in Orlais. She was hired by the Qunari, and there seems to be hours of gameplay.

So beyond, "stealing something" and "there's a party", WHAT ELSE IS THE SAME? Nearly every aspect is different beyond the most basic elements of setting, and anything beyond that is loads different. Is it just me? I see no basis to call this a "rip off of the Kasumi mission".

Edit: Some are arguing that you can't rip something off if you own it. If that is your argument, then replace "Ripping off" with "copying and pasting".
 

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More importantly will there be a statue of a Krogan in the vault?

OT - I don't see it as ripping off. I mean how many "Go here, get that." quests are there in pretty much every game ever?
 

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From what I understood, this DLC is just a bone thrown to Felicia Day and her live action show she did for Dragon Age. Cobble something together and all the fans of The Guild and Dr. Horrible's Sing Along Blog will buy it anyways.

Not that I'm complaining. I like me some Felicia Day...even with elf ears.
 

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leviticusd said:
From what I understood, this DLC is just a bone thrown to Felicia Day and her live action show she did for Dragon Age. Cobble something together and all the fans of The Guild and Dr. Horrible's Sing Along Blog will buy it anyways.

Not that I'm complaining. I like me some Felicia Day...even with elf ears.
Even with elf ears? How about especially with elf ears! heh
 

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If it upsets you dont buy it. Also how do you steal something they own? Bioware owns DA2 and ME2 so its not really stealing is it?

This is aimed at those people who commented that it was a rip off, not at you OP.

plus Kasumi had a Great mission why complain? [still aimed at the comments not you]
 

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Trezu said:
If it upsets you dont buy it. Also how do you steal something they own? Bioware owns DA2 and ME2 so its not really stealing is it?

This is aimed at those people who commented that it was a rip off, not at you OP.

plus Kasumi had a Great mission why complain? [still aimed at the comments not you]
I think the complaint is that they are phoning it in basically, and not doing something original. I think that's BS, and that they see "party" and "steal" and stop thinking about it right there.
 

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honestdiscussioner said:
Blunderboy said:
honestdiscussioner said:
Blunderboy said:
More importantly will there me a statue of a Krogan in the vault?
Why wouldn't there be? ;-)
It would just be a nice full circle moment after the ogre statue in Stolen Memories.
Wasn't there also a Krogan statue down there?
Which makes sense in a Mass Effect quest. The Ogre was a nice little touch, which makes less sense then having a statue of a race found in the game.
 

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Blunderboy said:
honestdiscussioner said:
Blunderboy said:
honestdiscussioner said:
Blunderboy said:
More importantly will there me a statue of a Krogan in the vault?
Why wouldn't there be? ;-)
It would just be a nice full circle moment after the ogre statue in Stolen Memories.
Wasn't there also a Krogan statue down there?
Which makes sense in a Mass Effect quest. The Ogre was a nice little touch, which makes less sense then having a statue of a race found in the game.
Okay, I get you. I was under the impression that you were joking about them copying the Krogan statue found in Memory but I see where you are coming from now.
 

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To be honest I think they have similar premises, I even thought to myself 'Hmmm, this is like the Kasumi mission from ME2' while I was watching the trailer.
I'm not complaining though, I really enjoyed Stolen Memory, so I don't mind seeing something similar in DA2, just as long as it isn't as short.
 

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Blunderboy said:
More importantly will there be a statue of a Krogan in the vault?
if there isn't a statue of a Krogan in a vault, then that vault ain't worth being in!
(I personally have two in mine!)
 

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well ME2 is Sci-Fi and DA2 is fantasy so yeah NOT THE SAME!

also Stolen Memory was by far the best mission on the game it offered some degree of variety and I really hope this new character is good, 'cause God knows other than Merrill every character in DA2 is shit
 

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While I do think that Bioware can be terribly unoriginal at times, I don't think we have enough information here to jump to conclusions, just yet.
 

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honestdiscussioner said:
Edit: Some are arguing that you can't rip something off if you own it. If that is your argument, then replace "Ripping off" with "copying and pasting".
Copying and pasting is canonical for DA2.

BA-DUM-DUM!

I'm here all week, folks, tell your friends.
 

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BioWare said:
Yes! It is genius! I shall reuse a vague presmise from one game I have created for another! I SHALL PLAGARISE MYSELF! AGAIN! MUAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA!
honestdiscussioner said:
Edit: Some are arguing that you can't rip something off if you own it. If that is your argument, then replace "Ripping off" with "copying and pasting".
Copying and pasting? Something that Dragon Age II is notorious for anyway. If it's a vague premise from one of the better Mass Effect expansions, and not the SAME FUCKING DUNGEONS OVER AND OVER AND OVER, then by all means go for it, I say.

But I guess BioWare shouldn't constantly copy-paste things. I mean, at least they didn't use the story of an ordinary person joining a super-secret, all powerful order of badasses in order to hunt down a traitor to prevent an omnipotent unknown evil from destroying the land.
 

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Well I played through the DLC Legacy recently(yesterday. >.>). And honestly, not exactly the hours of fun I was expecting. It was... short really. It felt really rushed. I really really hope the Bioware makes this one good.
 

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BlastedTheWorm said:
BioWare said:
Yes! It is genius! I shall reuse a vague presmise from one game I have created for another! I SHALL PLAGARISE MYSELF! AGAIN! MUAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA!
honestdiscussioner said:
Edit: Some are arguing that you can't rip something off if you own it. If that is your argument, then replace "Ripping off" with "copying and pasting".
Copying and pasting? Something that Dragon Age II is notorious for anyway. If it's a vague premise from one of the better Mass Effect expansions, and not the SAME FUCKING DUNGEONS OVER AND OVER AND OVER, then by all means go for it, I say.

But I guess BioWare shouldn't constantly copy-paste things. I mean, at least they didn't use the story of an ordinary person joining a super-secret, all powerful order of badasses in order to hunt down a traitor to prevent an omnipotent unknown evil from destroying the land.
I have noticed that for a while. I can't wait for their next original game: "You seem very skilled, perhaps you have the potential to one day become a Jedi, uhh I mean Grey Warden, ehhh I mean Spectre, I mean . . "

So what I'm saying is, I get your point.