Dad Alters Donkey Kong for His Daughter - With Pauline as the Hero

[Moonlight Butterfly]

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Are you really arguing that women don't get custody more?

Yep.

Are you seriously arguing that those statistics show that women don't need extra protection compared to men? 1.3 million compared to 830.000.... Also I'm pretty sure it's illegal to beat anyone up dude. I nearly got arrested once for beating up a guy who attacked me at a taxi rank...before the cctv saved my ass.

57% isn't really anything to be worried about it's circumstantial at best. It used to be that women weren't even allowed to go to university. Looks like we have come a long way.

And it used to be that women got custody more but that's in the past (and also based on sexist attitudes against women that they should be a caregiver)

Also that's taken from a quote from a top lawyer that's the source .

No, women don't deserve special laws. As you pointed out, there are laws on the books against beating people up and any group (gender, race) getting special laws is discriminatory by definition.

We aren't talking about what "used to be", we are talking about now and 57% would matter if men were the majority.

Prove to me that men get custody 50% of the time. So far I have seen no proof. A TOP LAWYER...LOL. Does the TOP LAWYER have any statistics to back up his mouth?

Women clearly need special laws if violence is that skewed against them. That's what equality means. Making things equal. Also 'Don't deserve' why don't we deserve extra protection that we need that's a pretty loaded thing to say.

I'm pretty sure 57% is fine. It's never going to be perfectly 50% that would be really surprising as people make personal choices that skew the numbers either way.

Interesting that you automatically assume the lawyer is a he...

 

[Moonlight Butterfly]

I see, so Sony is sexist. Nice.

I didn't say that at all. I said they wanted something fresh. You just picked that out of thin air.

 

[Epona]

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Are you really arguing that women don't get custody more?

Yep.

Are you seriously arguing that those statistics show that women don't need extra protection compared to men? 1.3 million compared to 830.000.... Also I'm pretty sure it's illegal to beat anyone up dude. I nearly got arrested once for beating up a guy who attacked me at a taxi rank...before the cctv saved my ass.

57% isn't really anything to be worried about it's circumstantial at best. It used to be that women weren't even allowed to go to university. Looks like we have come a long way.

And it used to be that women got custody more but that's in the past (and also based on sexist attitudes against women that they should be a caregiver)

Also that's taken from a quote from a top lawyer that's the source .

No, women don't deserve special laws. As you pointed out, there are laws on the books against beating people up and any group (gender, race) getting special laws is discriminatory by definition.

We aren't talking about what "used to be", we are talking about now and 57% would matter if men were the majority.

Prove to me that men get custody 50% of the time. So far I have seen no proof. A TOP LAWYER...LOL. Does the TOP LAWYER have any statistics to back up his mouth?

Women clearly need special laws if violence is that skewed against them. That's what equality means. Making things equal. Also 'Don't deserve' why don't we deserve extra protection that we need that's a pretty loaded thing to say.

I'm pretty sure 57% is fine. It's never going to be perfectly 50% that would be really surprising as people make personal choices that skew the numbers either way.

Interesting that you automatically assume the lawyer is a he...

Women deserve EQUAL protection, not extra protection. I mean, you do want equality don't you? You don't get it by asking for more than the other side. You are basically saying "I deserve more cheeseburgers because in the past women got fewer cheeseburgers". Equality will never happen that way.

So, about the lawyer, male or female...any stats to back up her/his opinion?

 

[Epona]

I see, so Sony is sexist. Nice.

I didn't say that at all. I said they wanted something fresh. You just picked that out of thin air.

Then what was your point here?

You say they "replaced" Lara Croft with Nathan Drake during a discussion about sexism.

 

[Moonlight Butterfly]

I see, so Sony is sexist. Nice.

I didn't say that at all. I said they wanted something fresh. You just picked that out of thin air.

Then what was your point here?

You say they "replaced" Lara Croft with Nathan Drake during a discussion about sexism.

Sigh you said 'There would be an uproar if someone replaced a female character with a male one.'
I said 'But they replaced Lara Croft with Nathan Drake' and Here's the important part 'BUT NO ONE CARED'

You said they didn't replace her, I argued the point. Sexism was never mentioned...

 

[Moonlight Butterfly]

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Clearly they didn't have equal protection before the act as you can see they were attacked more. The act gives them equal protection to men. That's logical.

No the lawyer didn't have stats but that is someone influential in the business saying what they have learned from experience.

 

[Epona]

I see, so Sony is sexist. Nice.

I didn't say that at all. I said they wanted something fresh. You just picked that out of thin air.

Then what was your point here?

You say they "replaced" Lara Croft with Nathan Drake during a discussion about sexism.

Sigh you said 'There would be an uproar if someone replaced a female character with a male one.'
I said 'But they replaced Lara Croft with Nathan Drake' and Here's the important part 'BUT NO ONE CARED'

You said they didn't replace her, I argued the point. Sexism was never mentioned...

Replace Mario with Peach in Super Mario Bros 3 is not the same as making a new game franchise with a male protagonist.

 

[Epona]

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Clearly they didn't have equal protection before the act as you can see they were attacked more. The act gives them equal protection to men. That's logical.

No the lawyer didn't have stats but that is someone influential in the business saying what they have learned from experience.

I see, so if there is an imbalance then the minority group should get special laws?

 

[Moonlight Butterfly]

I see, so Sony is sexist. Nice.

I didn't say that at all. I said they wanted something fresh. You just picked that out of thin air.

Then what was your point here?

You say they "replaced" Lara Croft with Nathan Drake during a discussion about sexism.

Sigh you said 'There would be an uproar if someone replaced a female character with a male one.'
I said 'But they replaced Lara Croft with Nathan Drake' and Here's the important part 'BUT NO ONE CARED'

You said they didn't replace her, I argued the point. Sexism was never mentioned...

Replace Mario with Peach in Super Mario Bros 3 is not the same as making a new game franchise with a male protagonist.

I'd say that it is as it had an obvious connection with the Tomb Raider style. Again I don't think it's bad I'm just using it as an example of no one being bothered by it.

 

[Moonlight Butterfly]

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Clearly they didn't have equal protection before the act as you can see they were attacked more. The act gives them equal protection to men. That's logical.

No the lawyer didn't have stats but that is someone influential in the business saying what they have learned from experience.

I see, so if there is an imbalance then the minority group should get special laws?

Yes, to make the situation equal. Since if left on it's own the situation is not equal.

 

[Epona]

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Clearly they didn't have equal protection before the act as you can see they were attacked more. The act gives them equal protection to men. That's logical.

No the lawyer didn't have stats but that is someone influential in the business saying what they have learned from experience.

I see, so if there is an imbalance then the minority group should get special laws?

Yes, to make the situation equal. Since if left on it's own the situation is not equal.

Ok, so are you in favor of laws that balance out the custody issue or laws to balance out college enrollment?

 

[BloatedGuppy]

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Think it might be time to take this to private messages, guys? It's not like you could derail this thread any harder at this point.

 

[Moonlight Butterfly]

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Ok, so are you in favor of laws that balance out the custody issue or laws to balance out college enrollment?

I don't think they are necessary as currently those things aren't skewed in the favour of anyone. The extra 7% could be even be from male female birth rates for that generation/class of kids. It's not really that worrying.

However if the percentage went to like 70% or above then I would be in favour of action towards it but as we can see that isn't the case.

 

[Moonlight Butterfly]

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Think it might be time to take this to private messages, guys? It's not like you could derail this thread any harder at this point.

Can I be the red one? And sorry to derail. I didn't intend it to be that way

Like I said I think Pauline is adorable, Especially her climbing animation. I hope Shigeru Miyamoto sees it.

 

[Epona]

I don't think they are necessary as currently those things aren't skewed in the favour of anyone. The extra 7% could be even be from male female birth rates for that generation/class of kids. It's not really that worrying.

However if the percentage went to like 70% or above then I would be in favour of action towards it but as we can see that isn't the case.

Yes, they are skewed in favor of women. You know that too but then claim the 7% isn't significant. Yes, women still win most custody cases.

The Typical Single Parent is a Mother:

- Approximately 84% of custodial parents are mothers, and
- 16% of custodial parents are fathers

http://singleparents.about.com/od/legalissues/p/portrait.htm

More here: http://dalrock.wordpress.com/2011/08/15/latest-u-s-custody-and-child-support-data/

 

[gibboss28]

Reading the posts on this thread have made me sad.

 

[charge52]

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For my comment, I was using retro in what is the most popular definition of SNES/Genesis and before.

2) Where the supposed most started with the franchise(which due to popularity was either 4, or as said, 6) doesn't change my point. And yes, Final fantasy 1, 2, 3, and 4 were re-released on the app store. Metroid is not, though not many Nintendo games are(that I know of), which brings me to a question. On what device was Donkey Kong released as an app?

Because I did some research and no mention anywhere of an appstore re-release could be found. So I borrowed a friends Iphone and browsed through(then browsed a computer version just in case) and could not for the life of me find it.

3) That's not actually true. See since you count FF5 as having a female lead I know you consider them a lead even if they aren't the main main character, so I checked some facts. FF1, I'll concede because it occurs to me the playable characters aren't really people. FF2 has the protagonist Maria, who is both a female lead and playable character. FF3 has Refia, a female lead and main character. FF4 has Rosa Farrell, a female lead and main character, and obviously, you already know about 5 and 6. Also app re-release see above.

4) Not atari, was re-released.

So, now I question your context here, if you only are referring to atari games, well you should have specified that rather than just say "retro" which commonly means SNES/Genesis and older. Then there is the App store re-release problem, because, donkey kong does not appear to fit that criteria.

 

[Maevine]

This is neat .w. I like this.

 

[chozo_hybrid]

This is neat .w. I like this.

Same here, the little running animation is adorable. Nintendo should see this, then make it an option in the next re-release of this classic title.

 

[Bara_no_Hime]

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This is the problem arguing minutia - it gets away from the point.

The fact that later SNES games had female protagonists is a good thing. I'm happy about that. Never said I wasn't. And the fact that even SNES era games with female protagonists can be counted on two hands actually supports my point.

You have effectively been calling me out on a bit of hyperbole (that 1% of retro games had a female protagonist rather than 0% games). So yes, I was wrong about that. I was exaggerating to make a point. But your response kinda proves my larger point - how few there are that you can literally name them all.

Now name every single male protagonist in all retro gaming. I'll wait. See you in about a week.

And yes, that was also hyperbole. Needing a full week to list them, I mean. If you hadn't noticed, I tend to talk that way.

My point is, and always has been, that editing Donkey Kong so that Pauline can be the hero is a great idea. There are tons of retro games that wouldn't be changed at all by simply switching the sprite. Not all - I never said all - but many.

Pac Man wasn't significantly altered by creating Ms. Pack Man - the same game with a female protagonist.

As demonstrated, Donkey Kong isn't significantly altered by having Pauline be the hero.

There are hundreds of other very simple retro titles that could get this treatment and not change in the slightest. I it would both allow for more female protagonists and get women out of demeaning Damsel roles.

And I'm not saying that men shouldn't be playable. I have always suggested a choice of sprite at the beginning, so that the player could choose the original male character or the sprite-reversed female character. If you want to play as Jump Man or whomever, you still can. And I can play as Pauline.

What do you have against simple to add gameplay options that don't affect you at all?