Dark Souls for PC: Petition

[Hal10k]

Any decent argument he made was nullified by his "Only PC gamers can truly appreciate a game like this" argument. What a twat.

You know, there are a lot of games that are PC-exclusive that I want to play. Like S.T.A.L.K.E.R. for instance. But it'll never get a console port (Even though GDC said they were going to way back in '07) so if I want to play it I need to save up $500-800 and build a computer that can run it.

You want to play Dark Souls? The swallow your "pride" and go buy a $200 console like the rest of us.

You want your console to have a hard drive? Hope you didn't buy a 360, that's another $120 for a decent sized drive. If you bought a PS3 and want a decent hard drive without having to install one, hope you don't mind shelling out $300.

Oh and if you want HD, better be prepared to shell out at least $400 if you want a mid size 720p TV.

So already you've exceeded how much it costed me to build my PC and get a monitor and the OS legally.

Golly gee gosh, it's almost like the argument that PC gaming is far more expensive is...ignorant and misinformed or something! Gasp!

Most people own a television for some reason besides gaming, so purchasing one might not be necessary. Purchasing a HDTV certainly isn't necessary if you genuinely don't care about graphics, which is one of the reasons somebody might choose a console over a PC.

So if we assume that you already own a TV, then a new PS3 with a 160 GB hard drive will cost you $250 total.

http://www.google.com/products/catalog?rlz=1C1TSNO_enUS463US464&q=ps3+price&um=1&ie=UTF-8&tbm=shop&cid=746476354484601806&sa=X&ei=wd4HT46xE-ry0gGjv7SKBw&ved=0CG4Q8wIwAg

If you want a 360 with a 120 GB hardrive, plus a headset, that'll only run you $200

http://www.google.com/products/catalog?hl=en&safe=off&rlz=1C1TSNO_enUS463US464&q=xbox+price&gs_upl=0l0l1l543l0l0l0l0l0l0l0l0ll0l0&bav=on.2,or.r_gc.r_pw.,cf.osb&biw=1366&bih=667&um=1&ie=UTF-8&tbm=shop&cid=16070324161299864340&sa=X&ei=SN4HT4aEKajo0QHW2emkAg&ved=0CG8Q8wIwBA

I'm not going to argue whether PCs or consoles are superior, but in my experience consoles tend to be cheaper, even when I priced individual parts. Maybe I'm using the wrong search engines, though.

 

[Waaghpowa]

I have never liked anything from TB, ever.

I will sign this petition because the only reason I never touched Dark Souls is because it was console exclusive, I avoid buying games for consoles whenever possible. Bringing it to PC will help entice me to try it.

Also have to point out the irony of a console gamer calling PC gamers elitists then saying something like "Get off your high horse and get a console" almost as if they're trying to make themselves out to look superior for making the "right" choice.

 

[Waaghpowa]

I'm not going to argue whether PCs or consoles are superior, but in my experience consoles tend to be cheaper, even when I priced individual parts. Maybe I'm using the wrong search engines, though.

When you consider that:
1) PC's aren't just dedicated game boxes and can perform a multitude of tasks
2) Games have lower cost
3) Games have more content depending on title (Skyrim being the best example, especially when the content creator is released)
4) Everyone needs a PC anyway.
5) Capable of using numerous kinds accessories and software.

The cost isn't much more than you may believe.

My PS3 cost me ~400 dollars without games when I bought it, 200 dollars more and I could've built a whole new computer with 10 times the processing power back in 2008.

Sure, the consoles are cheap now, but horribly under powered compared to what they were like years ago. Considering that a new generation is supposedly coming soon, it's not really fair to compare prices at this point since they're 7+ years old and about to be replaced.

 

[Waaghpowa]

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It's a difficult situation that not many people seem to see or understand. Accusing someone of being elitist, to me anyway, is a kind of self elevation. A way of "looking down on someone" for having that kind of mentality, which brings that person back down to their level for acting superior and nothing has been gained, you just look like as big a jerk as the person you accuse.

It perplexes me really.

I for one don't think I'm superior or anyone is inferior for making their choice, I would rather have people be informed before they start going off on people about this kind of thing. I made my choice as a PC gamer simply because it's cost effective and efficient. I needed a computer, why invest so heavily on a console when I'm going to need a PC anyway? Now my PC does it all.

 

[Hal10k]

I'm not going to argue whether PCs or consoles are superior, but in my experience consoles tend to be cheaper, even when I priced individual parts. Maybe I'm using the wrong search engines, though.

When you consider that:
1) PC's aren't just dedicated game boxes and can perform a multitude of tasks
2) Games have lower cost
3) Games have more content depending on title (Skyrim being the best example, especially when the content creator is released)
4) Everyone needs a PC anyway.
5) Capable of using numerous kinds accessories and software.

The cost isn't much more than you may believe.

My PS3 cost me ~400 dollars without games when I bought it, 200 dollars more and I could've built a whole new computer with 10 times the processing power back in 2008.

Sure, the consoles are cheap now, but horribly under powered compared to what they were like years ago. Considering that a new generation is supposedly coming soon, it's not really fair to compare prices at this point since they're 7+ years old and about to be replaced.

We're having the debate in the present day, and those are the market prices of the consoles in the present day, so those were the prices I compared by. If you wanted to buy a console or a PC right now, the console would probably be cheaper.

You do raise a good point above the comparative price of games, even if it is slightly offset by the used market. Even considering that, I doubt that I would be able to fill my Xbox library with as many free or ludicrously cheap games. The crux of the argument would probably be "power and versatility vs. convenience". You're not going to get the same results out of a console that you would out of a PC, but you're going to have to work as hard to get them. A console owner can be reasonably certain that, when he puts the game into the drive, it'll work just fine, or at least as good as everybody else's. Whereas PC owners have to put up with things like Rage's driver issues, or any of the issues that arise when the developers of a game wage a mysterious vendetta against your choice of graphics card.

 

[Waaghpowa]

It's not that difficult of a situation, there are people who always feel the need to be on top. Whether they do it by getting in fights or feeling the need to argue about how much fun someone is having, which is the main problem. Just because someone is perfectly fine with 720/30FPS instead of 1080/60FPS doesn't make them less, but guess what most of the PC argument is; something about framerate/resolution and how big their penis is because they can constantly upgrade it. They're the aggressors and the jerks who can't shut up about how great it is when the people they're attacking might not care, but it's still an attack and so the first aggressor shouldn't be surprised when their exact rhetoric is turned against them. People don't need to be informed, they need to calm the fuck down about how great it is to be them.

All I'm saying is that neither side is innocent in this case, both sides are being jerks. Obviously I'm not one of those elitists, so suffice to say that not all PC gamers are. People tend to generalize and get hysterical over a relatively small group of people and assume the worse in everyone.

Using the human race as an example it's like saying black people commit more crimes than white people when everyone of every race most likely does the same just as much and as frequently. It's unfair to judge and entire group based on the actions of a minority.

Honestly, we all need to shut up about it and play our damn games.

 

[kasperbbs]

I doubt it would do well on PC, and i guess the developers share my opinion. But if by some miracle it did come out on my system i would gladly buy it. As for the petition.. Wrong country and i wont be bothered to make a facebook account, sorry.

 

[JonnyHG]

I have to wonder how many of those petition signers would actually BUY the game.

 

[Waaghpowa]

We're having the debate in the present day, and those are the market prices of the consoles in the present day, so those were the prices I compared by. If you wanted to buy a console or a PC right now, the console would probably be cheaper.

This is true if you simply view your PC as a game box, which it isn't nor should. The versatility is well worth the extra cost versus a console.

You're not going to get the same results out of a console that you would out of a PC, but you're going to have to work as hard to get them. A console owner can be reasonably certain that, when he puts the game into the drive, it'll work just fine, or at least as good as everybody else's.

True again, but some people, like myself, don't see convenience as a selling point when you have relatively less freedom. I hate how I can't change any settings, I hate how frame rates are locked and I hate how I'm forced to use their proprietary controller. Things like resolution and frame rate are a sales killer for me, since low res and fps give me a migraine.

Whereas PC owners have to put up with things like Rage's driver issues, or any of the issues that arise when the developers of a game wage a mysterious vendetta against your choice of graphics card.

Incidents like Rage are extremely rare, it was entirely Id softwares own incompetence for releasing a game built on their own custom in house drivers that nobody outside their office would have access to. But I will admit that ATI users tend to have it tough when it comes to drivers, since a lot of games are built with Nvidia in mind. Fortunately it's rarely a big issue and can generally be fixed with simple work arounds, assuming ATI didn't release a new set of drivers or patch the same day. This all varies on developer.

Although console gamers have the benefit of the used market, I don't see it as such. Most of the time, used titles aren't much different in cost than the new copy. Unless you plan on trading multiple games in at a time to drop the cost of a title near zero dollars. In my opinion though, trading in more than one game for a single game seems a tad ludicrous.

Note: I'm simply trying to add to discussion as well as being informative.

 

[Filiecs]

Due to the fact that I don't own any form of a console and don't even have a TV to use one with, I would die happy if Dark Souls came to PC. No matter how terrible the controls.

 

[Smooth Operator]

Oh the flamewars, they comin.

It's really not a question of who deserves what, just a question of will it sell enough on PC to get the devs / publishers interested.
With the boom this created there really doesn't seem to be a shortage of buyers, hell even I might pick it up.

PS. Seriously, when was the last time a video game petition ever really done anything? Remember the 37,000 member boycott over L4D2?

It's true, they don't achieve anything because the average gamer is a spineless worm, half of those petition guys were playing L4D2 within weeks.

 

[Nurb]

I was going to spend money on it until I found out it wasn't for PC.

That's one of those lost "potential sales" they always whine about.

 

[Hal10k]

We're having the debate in the present day, and those are the market prices of the consoles in the present day, so those were the prices I compared by. If you wanted to buy a console or a PC right now, the console would probably be cheaper.

This is true if you simply view your PC as a game box, which it isn't nor should. The versatility is well worth the extra cost versus a console.

You're not going to get the same results out of a console that you would out of a PC, but you're going to have to work as hard to get them. A console owner can be reasonably certain that, when he puts the game into the drive, it'll work just fine, or at least as good as everybody else's.

True again, but some people, like myself, don't see convenience as a selling point when you have relatively less freedom. I hate how I can't change any settings, I hate how frame rates are locked and I hate how I'm forced to use their proprietary controller. Things like resolution and frame rate are a sales killer for me, since low res and fps give me a migraine.

Whereas PC owners have to put up with things like Rage's driver issues, or any of the issues that arise when the developers of a game wage a mysterious vendetta against your choice of graphics card.

Incidents like Rage are extremely rare, it was entirely Id softwares own incompetence for releasing a game built on their own custom in house drivers that nobody outside their office would have access to. But I will admit that ATI users tend to have it tough when it comes to drivers, since a lot of games are built with Nvidia in mind. Fortunately it's rarely a big issue and can generally be fixed with simple work arounds, assuming ATI didn't release a new set of drivers or patch the same day. This all varies on developer.

Although console gamers have the benefit of the used market, I don't see it as such. Most of the time, used titles aren't much different in cost than the new copy. Unless you plan on trading multiple games in at a time to drop the cost of a title near zero dollars. In my opinion though, trading in more than one game for a single game seems a tad ludicrous.

Note: I'm simply trying to add to discussion as well as being informative.

Like I said: some people do just want a game box. Some people just want to pop in a disk, start up the game, and not have to worry about whether their hardware fits the bill or reconfigure settings for fifteen minutes so the whole shebang goes at a consistent framerate. Most of the side-benefits can be bothersome as well; not everybody wants to have to reconfigure an emulator for two hours so they can play Space Hulk on Windows 7 (actually had to do that once for various reasons; still worth it). If you have five-year old laptop that does everything you need, and you just want something for games, then a console might just be for you. Different products for different consumers, like all economic systems.

 

[Aeonknight]

It's really hard to want to be sympathetic to the PC gamer's cause here, after more than a few of the PC elitists had the fucking nerve to say "it's your fault for playing Skyrim on the PS3" back when we were all raging about the locking up issue.

I signed it though. It's a good game, and I want to try to avoid letting pettyness get in the way of more progress within the industry.

 

[Hobonicus]

God, TB does know how to make himself a **** sometimes.
But whatever, I'll sign it. Always nice to get a great game out there a bit more.

He's a giant PC elitist like all the time, but he does have some very good points.

I agree. But seriously, what the fuck was that "I'd like to see it be on PC where it can truly be appreciated!" shit? Over 1.5 million copies sold in under a month! That's a fucking lot of copies, y'know?

I like how saying PC users would appreciate the game for perfectly valid and maturely presented reasons immediately makes him some sort of fanboy elitist ****. These days saying anything remotely positive about a PC automaticaly makes you an asshole, and the people who call you a **** despite no offense being given are considered the good guys. Classy.

Any decent argument he made was nullified by his "Only PC gamers can truly appreciate a game like this" argument. What a twat.

Feel free to point out where he said that. You are literally putting words in his mouth, do you understand that? And I'm not even saying this as an argumentative point, I'm saying you factually just said something incorrect. I hope you don't enter any sort of debate without first realizing the mistake you've made here, because it's a pretty bad mistake and worth noting.

 

[Still Life]

This is one of the rare occasions where I wish I had a console because the game didn't come to PC. A very, very compelling game from what I have seen and I wouldn't hesitate purchasing if there was a PC port.

 

[tobi the good boy]

[HEADING=1]Do you want to play Dark Souls on PC?[/HEADING]

No. Just no.

You do not know the amount of no that's going through my mind.

Just. No.

Please state a reason as to why? all the information i gain from your post is (purely educated guess on your thoughts right now) 'I DON'T WANT THE PC ELITISTS TO THROW SOMETHING ELSE AT MY FACE!'.

And you'd be right. I'm both a console and PC gamer, but I absolutely can't stand PC elitists, and I can't imagine wanting to play this with any of them.

I never understand this mentality... We're all gamers; even if a vocal minority of PC gamers are assholes I'm signing it because It'd bring joy to a portion of people that otherwise wouldn't be able to play this wonderful game.

Stooping to the level of the snobs is not the right way to look at this situation. Simply remember the people out there who genuinely want to play games. Besides, if it comes out on steam you can go about kicking those PC snobs asses on PS3.

 

[Akimoto]

Daaark Souuulss!

Because games like Skyrim and Monster Hunter aren't enough to feed my ravenous hunger for death! One of the times I regret not having a console - but that's just the master plan now isn't it Sony?

So there - petition signed. Thanks for sharing OP!

 

[The_Blue_Rider]

Over 9000 signitures !!

I know that jokes over used but I just finished watching Dragonball Z Kai so

Oh what the hell, ill sign, even though ive never played Dark Souls, If PC gamers wanna get their asses kicked by a video game i say let them have it

 

[Bat Vader]

I will admit the only reason I haven't bought Demon Souls or Dark Souls yet is because they were not released on the PC. It would be cool to see it come out on the PC but I doubt it will though.