As opposed to believing the word of someone still stuck in the first area, who seems to think himself fit to judge the other 90% of the game.Buretsu said:
Dark Souls. Why should I keep playing?
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Dark souls became my favorite game, but it pretty much stays the same with death and backtracking which can suck. I love it for unexplainable reason, but my main issue is probably this, MOSTLY because I'd die to one accidental movement then I'd have to backtrack for another few minutes (See: Getting out/Into blight town.)K1CKER said:
Wait, now you've confused me. First you claim to have fought through the area to the Taurus Demon loads of times, but you were still level 5? How does that work? Did you simply go through the fog after having used all your estus flasks, and not return to the bonfire to level up a single time? Because if so, it's pretty obvious that you are gonna get your ass whooped!K1CKER said:
Honestly, I had a tough time with him when I first played the game (the game was even more brutal pre-patch) but I was more like level 20. Seriously, you were just absurdly underleveled.
no I was getting to him with ALL my flasks but he was killing me in 2 hits.
the problem was I had heavy armor on and couldn`t dodge fast, I am pyro so I started at lvl 1, not already 5 like the knight or others
when I killed him I used the very lame exploit of standing in his crotch where he just hits over me and can`t hit me. now is that difficulty?
anyway I decided to give the game more time and hope it gets better
the problem was I had heavy armor on and couldn`t dodge fast, I am pyro so I started at lvl 1, not already 5 like the knight or others
when I killed him I used the very lame exploit of standing in his crotch where he just hits over me and can`t hit me. now is that difficulty?
anyway I decided to give the game more time and hope it gets better
Well, that has most likely to do with the fact that most threads criticizing Dark Souls are from people whose problems stem from the fact that in fact they do suck at the game.Arontala said:
But they're not bad persons because of that. If something frustrates you, and thus is no fun for you, that's fine.
But to a select few it is the frustration that makes the accomplishment of finally overcoming it so great, thus for them (including me) it's actually the point of the whole game. Complainging about it is much akin to complaining about Modern Warfare 3 not having any option to diplomatically achieve victory.
So in short: if you don't like Dark Souls, don't play it. Just don't make whiny posts about it in a forum where a strong and vocal userbase loves it, because that obviously is trollbait.
Also, keep in mind that many once great series were ruined by people wanting to have more easily accessible experiences (Rainbow 6, Ghost Recon, Red Orchestra, just to name a few), so I personally tend to be rather hostile towards people wanting games that I like because of their complexity and difficulty to be easier.
Hahahah serious? My god, this is like the fifth thread I've seen saying the exact same thing. "I'm at the Taurus Demon, I can't kill him, this game sucks. But I'm really good at the game, honest!" Taurus Demon: Seperating the real gamers from the wannabes, every time.
You're not good at the game, you're still learning. Dark Souls is a constant learning curve, every minute of the game. You're never going to hit a point where you can just breeze through the game in a whirlwind of invulnerabilty(though depending on your class you can get pretty strong). It basically comes down to "Get Better". And if that means trying new things, like new tactics or weapons or skills, do that. Don't just keep barrelling in and hoping you'll kill him this time.
People play Dark Souls mainly for the challenge of overcoming. The entire game is a series of trials that you must overcome, and if you get stuck at one and can't overcome it, you either keep trying, or you quit and call the game stupid. And then make a thread about it apparently. The good players will perservere until they succeed, and then revel in the glory.
And yes, it's worth it later in the game. There are some fantastic areas, and some truly insane fights that, if you can beat, makes you feel like a god. Make you fist pump and think "YEAH! I did it! That was an amazing fight, and winning it felt like an enormous achievement!". Not many games can make you feel that way. But if you're stuck at the Taurus Demon, I wouldn't get your hopes up. After all, that enemy becomes a "common" enemy later in the game, and there are dudes that dwarf him in required skill to beat. It sounds like you'd enjoy the gentle hand holding of an easier RPG. Fable perhaps?
You're not good at the game, you're still learning. Dark Souls is a constant learning curve, every minute of the game. You're never going to hit a point where you can just breeze through the game in a whirlwind of invulnerabilty(though depending on your class you can get pretty strong). It basically comes down to "Get Better". And if that means trying new things, like new tactics or weapons or skills, do that. Don't just keep barrelling in and hoping you'll kill him this time.
People play Dark Souls mainly for the challenge of overcoming. The entire game is a series of trials that you must overcome, and if you get stuck at one and can't overcome it, you either keep trying, or you quit and call the game stupid. And then make a thread about it apparently. The good players will perservere until they succeed, and then revel in the glory.
And yes, it's worth it later in the game. There are some fantastic areas, and some truly insane fights that, if you can beat, makes you feel like a god. Make you fist pump and think "YEAH! I did it! That was an amazing fight, and winning it felt like an enormous achievement!". Not many games can make you feel that way. But if you're stuck at the Taurus Demon, I wouldn't get your hopes up. After all, that enemy becomes a "common" enemy later in the game, and there are dudes that dwarf him in required skill to beat. It sounds like you'd enjoy the gentle hand holding of an easier RPG. Fable perhaps?
Nope, you will more than likely never enjoy the game if you cant stand the very beginning part of it. The game takes a mix of knowledge and skill, its really one big learning experience if you don't enjoy the process why are you playing the game? And really people he probably does suck at the game but that's just because he is new to it. So ya if you can't persevere and refuse to learn from your mistakes play a game you do enjoy.
To be honest, I had quite a bit of difficulty with the Taurus Demon my first time, and I finally beat him because he jumped of the bridge backwards. The difference is, I didn't whine about how hard this boss is, and just kept trying, until I finally beat him. These days, I can easily wipe the floor with his ass, which is just a great feeling when I remember how tough I thought he was. That just shows how far I've come. And I have beaten the game at this point, even defeating bosses like The Four Kings on my first attempt in a truly epic battle, which is just an incredible feeling. And this feeling makes playing the game worth it.Project_Xii said:
I'm sorry, but the moment you make the comment that you're not bad at the game, but can't beat the Taurus Demon, your entire argument went out the window.K1CKER said:
As it has been pointed out above, he is one of the easiest bosses, I killed in on my second attempt ever playing the game, without know about the convenient ladder behind you. And i certainly wouldn't have said i was good at the game to start with, not by a long way.
Also about your "I can do all the moves easy, all the counter kills, kicks and jump attacks," sentence,
1) Kicks and jump attacks aren't meant to be hard, so being able to perform them isn't exactly an achievement
2) What you're not realising is that far more important than doing fancy attack moves, is simply learning to Dodge, that is the reason you can't beat the Taurus Demon
I'm sorry, but please don't start a thread about dark souls being a stupid game, just because you can't beat the first boss. It was never designed to give you enemy's head's on a platter.
ahaha all you ladies getting upset I called the game shit are really funny; it`s ok kiddies you can take it out on me and tell me I suck, I don`t mind, really
thanks for all the other useful comments guys, made me give the game more chances, as for the "pros" here, thanks for some good laughs, human stupidity is always funny
thanks for all the other useful comments guys, made me give the game more chances, as for the "pros" here, thanks for some good laughs, human stupidity is always funny
"I'm not enjoying something as much as a whole bunch of other people in a given demographic. Tell me why this is so. Why aren't I enjoying this as much as you? Convince me to enjoy it, while I repeatedly tell you that you are wrong, and that the thing you like is terrible.K1CKER said:
Please, make me like something that I currently dislike. I need your help to like this thing, because you like it and I don't. Also, you are wrong and elitist, because I still don't like it.
And, even though questioning my ability to appreciate and/or operate the "something" is a valid argument, as it can actually impact one's enjoyment of said thing, I assure you that I am perfectly capable of appreciating and/or operating it. No, really, I am...although there is actually no way to prove or disprove this fact. And it is a fact, I assure you. Let me assure you of this again. Fact.
Therefore, you are "human stupidity kiddies", and I laugh at you thusly:
"ahaha, ladies. ahaha, kiddies. ahaha, pros"."
it was a simple question: is the late game content better and worth getting to?
apparently it`s too hard reading until the end of a post. excuse me for not putting it first so all you short attention span pros can read it.
again, thanks to the guys who answered on topic.
apparently it`s too hard reading until the end of a post. excuse me for not putting it first so all you short attention span pros can read it.
again, thanks to the guys who answered on topic.
"I have a simple question for those of you who like this particular thing. I tried this thing because I heard many of you say that it was good. However, this thing is stupid!K1CKER said:
I hear all of you saying that this thing is good for certain reasons, but it's not. It's just a waste of time!
I want to make it clear that I am perfectly capable of appreciating and/or operating this thing.
However, I am not currently able to appreciate and/or operate a specific aspect of this thing, although I am perfectly capable of doing so, I assure you.
Therefore, it is just boring and stupid and a waste of my time.
Furthermore, were I to operate or attempt to appreciate this thing in an incorrect manner, I could easily appreciate and/or operate this thing. Easily!
So, my simple question is this: Does this thing get any better, or does it remain a stupid, boring waste of my time? Please tell me. I need your help here."
I wouldn't say so, but I have shit to do so the lack of a pause menu brakes the game for me.K1CKER said:
I think his point was that this game's challenge is not about beating certain enemies or bosses. True if you're patient enough to observe enemies and play it right to exploit their weaknesses you can easily beat them- and to me that's a plus because it shows that fights in this game are intuitive. But the game's hardest part- at least the way I experienced it- is exploring and getting through the areas to checkpoints without dying. For me, boss fights per se are the rewards for overcoming and reaching the end of a certain area, not the challenge. : )Torrasque said:
Answering OP's question: yes, the rest of the game is worth playing, but:
It gets very difficult and at a certain point you're left almost clueless about what to do.
Personally, I'm at the part where you have to get several MacGuffins [http://tvtropes.org/pmwiki/pmwiki.php/Main/MacGuffin] and in between you're free to explore. Something people haven't spoken much about is the multiplayer, which is quite interesting at this point, but be aware that while the MP gets really fun, the single player takes a twist which you may not like (it becomes less linear).
Anyway, the greatest thing about the game is that everything, including the story, is based on its difficulty. So if you don't feel like being punished rather than challenged, this is not the game for you. Let's face it: the game is not as difficult as people seem to think, but it's rather old school trial and error. This is the core mechanic of the game which will keep constant throughout it, so it's a matter of your personal preference on this matter.
However, something interesting happened to me, because while I hate this kind of gameplay, DS somehow pulled me in. I don't know if it's the tense combat, the originality of the lore and setting, or just that I want to beat it already. Anyway, there's another thing which I liked a lot and it's that after all the highs and the lows, all those deaths feel like yours. In other words, you feel somehow attached to your character, and immersed at the same time. Not many RPG's managed to pull this off, but I think that's a great thing which every gamer should experience, whether it is playing Dark Souls or any other game.
To conclude, yes, it is a punishing game, ant it will always be. It's also gratifying, but only a specific public is likely to enjoy it. It's okay if you're not one of those, it doesn't make you a worse player or unskilled to dislike any game, and Dark Souls is no exception. This game is just not for everyone.
It gets very difficult and at a certain point you're left almost clueless about what to do.
Personally, I'm at the part where you have to get several MacGuffins [http://tvtropes.org/pmwiki/pmwiki.php/Main/MacGuffin] and in between you're free to explore. Something people haven't spoken much about is the multiplayer, which is quite interesting at this point, but be aware that while the MP gets really fun, the single player takes a twist which you may not like (it becomes less linear).
Anyway, the greatest thing about the game is that everything, including the story, is based on its difficulty. So if you don't feel like being punished rather than challenged, this is not the game for you. Let's face it: the game is not as difficult as people seem to think, but it's rather old school trial and error. This is the core mechanic of the game which will keep constant throughout it, so it's a matter of your personal preference on this matter.
However, something interesting happened to me, because while I hate this kind of gameplay, DS somehow pulled me in. I don't know if it's the tense combat, the originality of the lore and setting, or just that I want to beat it already. Anyway, there's another thing which I liked a lot and it's that after all the highs and the lows, all those deaths feel like yours. In other words, you feel somehow attached to your character, and immersed at the same time. Not many RPG's managed to pull this off, but I think that's a great thing which every gamer should experience, whether it is playing Dark Souls or any other game.
To conclude, yes, it is a punishing game, ant it will always be. It's also gratifying, but only a specific public is likely to enjoy it. It's okay if you're not one of those, it doesn't make you a worse player or unskilled to dislike any game, and Dark Souls is no exception. This game is just not for everyone.