Defining natural

[Booze Zombie]

Hehe. I'm a second year biology student whose main interest is evolutionary biology and behavioural ecology, with a side order of genetics. I'm not sure if I count as an expert but I know a damn sight more than most people. Also, my exams are next month, so I really hope that I know what I'm talking about. If fact, I probably should be doing some work right about now. I should get on that.

It would be suggested, yes. If you want to move past "damn sight" to "hell of a lot".

Anyway, thanks for typing and have a good day.

 

[Skeleon]

I thought people didn't consider homosexuality natural because it's a genetic mutation of sorts?

Everything in nature was developed through a series of trial-and-error-mutations, random changes that might've been an improvement at the time or at least no hinderance.

Nature is nothing but mutations.

 

[Worr Monger]

Agreed.....I believe no straight man (and most likely woman) can deny how disgusting it is... whether you believe it's natural or not.

Then you believe incorrectly.
I don't find it any more disgusting than I find heterosexual public displays of affection.

The point being, I don't want to fucking see that shit, keep it to yourselves, gay or straight. If I wanted to watch people swap spit, I'd invest in some fucking binoculars, okay?

Incidentally, don't presume to speak for everyone, please. The things I find disgusting are probably not the same things you find disgusting.

Figures, I'd get a response like that.... I said "I believe...." I'm speaking in general terms from what I've experienced. I never said I speak for everyone. It is simply how I see things.

Don't misquote me.

 

[MmmFiber]

Being gay isn't the norm or even close to the norm. And the other species that have homo tendencies usually dont exhibit it all the time. So, its just seen as satisfying an urge. Although, I do agree with the mixing of male and female genes/hormones for being a main cause of homo-ism.

"Natural" can be defined as what most humans are likely to do and be capable of doing. Someone taking 'roids and becoming ripped or musclebound is unnatural. But men killing people and raping women is natural. So, even though being gay is not in the average human's nature... it's better than some of the other "natural" things that humans do.

And trying to bend nature to our every whim isn't natural. So, using the term unnatural isn't a good argument. Some of the worst things in the world are in man's nature to do.

 

[NoNameMcgee]

If being straight is natural, then so is being gay.

Attraction is natural...

 

[OriginalError]

Monkeys can show homosexual tendencies, so if you consider it in that light then it is wrong for someone to brand it as unnatural or foreign, its merely a different manifestation of the sexuality we all feel, which makes it perfectly normal as really its just a different form of expressiveness.

Nuh-uh. Monkeys get prison gay. They're not *real* homosexuals. Stop impugning upon monkies (my computer says monkies is not the correct spelling, and suggests 'honkies' instead? Thats just as funny, really). I lost my train of thought.

//J.

 

[Inverse Skies]

Nuh-uh. Monkeys get prison gay. They're not *real* homosexuals. Stop impugning upon monkies (my computer says monkies is not the correct spelling, and suggests 'honkies' instead? Thats just as funny, really). I lost my train of thought.

//J.

Lol, yeah you kinda distracted me as well with the honkies thing. Truce? Lol.

 

[Ignignoct]

Which makes it all the funnier that nature gave the prostate gland a sense of pleasure when rubbed or massaged.

Now... Why would that be?

BONOBOS!

why would it be? because pressure on the prostrate stimulates the nerves coming from the penis

b...BONOBOS?

Well, point being, is that dudes as of ancient times been boning each other for bonding or pleasure, so it leads into the Bonobos having freaky multi-sexual ape orgies for pleasure, bonding, and settling disputes.

Well, strike that, reverse it... Thank you.

Scientifically, theres valid reason for homosexuality's existence throughout the ages, and perhaps time we just got over it.

Devil's Advocate, here. I can't say that I have any gay friends, but I still have a mind for humanistic truths.

 

[vxicepickxv]

How do we define naturality anyway?
Doesn't mankind continously go against nature in everything it does?
Is driving a car natural? Is playing a videogame natural? Is getting married natural?
If we were to define natural as something that happens in nature then no, none of these actions are natural.

Surely human beings discarded naturality when they started inventing, creating and pretty much abbandoning the whole "survival of the fittest" way of life.

If we were to define natural as something that is possible to do then yes, all of these actions and consequentially even homosexuality is natural.

What I'm getting at is I don't get the whole "Homosexuality is unnatural" way of though, maybe one of you could explain this to me.

1)Who is this we you speak of? I would presume that when you want something defined you use a dictionary. Of course contextually it can get a lot tricker
2)Yes and no, all at the same time. It's quite complicated
3)No. No other species is capable of it
4)See 3)
5)Nope, never seen any other species get married. Although some other animals are close with their singual mate for life(mostly predators)

Homosexuality is natural, as documented with several different species of animals, some of which aren't even mammals.

Of course then again we are the strange animals, with golden rules.

 

[Ignignoct]

well (i am not Homophobic) what there trying to say is that the ultimate goal of sex is to have a kid gays can't do that so hence forth "not natural"

indeed, the whole point of reproductive organs is to do just that, reproduce. the whole reason it is fun and exciting to reproduce is an incentive to do so. i really don't think it is a "natural" thing.

So masturbation is unnatural too.

Got it.

 

[Hunde Des Krieg]

the whole concept of things that are 'natural' is fundamentally flawed and is glaring in the face of reality. Our reality.

 

[zacaron]

because fire is unnatural.

fire is compleatly natural, roughly 30% of the worlds CO2 emmisions are from forest fires most of thouse are caused be lightning

 

[jasoncyrus]

I wouldn't think of homosexualiy as "unnatural" per se. But since you've brought it up a'll give a logical analysis of it.

If we have to explain why some could think it unnatural (aside from the bible thumping misinformed idiots, the pope being the biggest of them all. (I shall never forgive that Cur for his blantant lies that condoms don't affect the spread of aids at all)) Then by looking at it logically we can com up with this explaination.

The closest reasoning to it being called 'unnatural' would be to its counter productivity to evolution, species can only change and better themselves through reproduction. Homosexuality makes this rather difficult.

Thats pretty much the only logical reason for any normal minded person to think that.