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Well Portal 2 has your friendly AI trying to convince the Big Bad to trap themselves in a logical paradox.
Alpha protocol to some extent. Aside from the a to b, select the right kind of dialogue of this person to get monies/intel/fewer enemies/ whatever, there's a bit with a fellow named Conrad. You have to read up on his dossier to figure out what pushes his buttons, then select appropriate dialogue to be able to get him to so pissed he stands and fights instead of running away. This is over the course of several encounters before the showdown, and if you don't so it right, he'll bail when he's out of health.
Fallout and Fallout 2 had dialogue puzzles like that. Technically, they were a series of skillchecks based upon what you were saying but there were quite a few times where I used in-game discoveries (a non-skillcheck trigger) to argue my way to victory.
For example, in Fallout 1 you can convince the Master to destroy himself if you both engage him at an intellectual level and display scientific evidence that all of his plans are for nothing.
Planescape Torment has puzzles within this same vein as well.
Dialogue puzzles have gone out of style this generation; you're going to have to hit up GOG.com for what you're looking for.
For example, in Fallout 1 you can convince the Master to destroy himself if you both engage him at an intellectual level and display scientific evidence that all of his plans are for nothing.
Planescape Torment has puzzles within this same vein as well.
Dialogue puzzles have gone out of style this generation; you're going to have to hit up GOG.com for what you're looking for.
L.A. Noire.
Only other game I can think of that uses dialogue as a mechanic. The execution is spotty, but the attempt was made.
Negotiation in every other game I've played came down to a crap shoot, a coin flip or a stat check. Including the games mentioned in the two previous posts.
Only other game I can think of that uses dialogue as a mechanic. The execution is spotty, but the attempt was made.
Negotiation in every other game I've played came down to a crap shoot, a coin flip or a stat check. Including the games mentioned in the two previous posts.
The Ace Attorney series is literally built on this. The main way of winning is by examining dialogue VERY closely.
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This, and Persona to some extent. Your dialogue choices either help or hinder your social link progress and that, in turn, affects your Personas strengths, not to mention how far you can complete the story. There is, of course, other factors, such as your main characters personality aspects - courage, diligence, expression, understanding and knowledge - that affect how you can choose your dialogue choices.roushutsu said:
The main thing is that Phoenix Wright is mainly all dialogue, logic and visual puzzles, while Persona is considered an RPG. Still, both use dialogue puzzles effectively, so take that as you will.
Phoenix wright is definitely the best example. Alongside planescape: torment, I would recommend baldur's gate(there are less dialogue puzzles, but still). I've heard good things about Arcanum: of steamworks and magic obscura, though I've never managed to get past the intro.
Also theres Marburg, if you learn everything about him you can open his eyes to the mistakes he's made. When his boss tells him to fight you he just walks away, disgusted at how he's been used. And Marburg is argueably the toughest bossfight in Alpha Protocoltilmoph said:
Man, i love that game!
Oh ya there was also a game called Long Live The Queen which makes you guide a princess in crafting her kingdom and also try to avoid dying. The game seems to be mostly dialogue + the skilltree type rpg element going on.
How appropriate, you fight like a cow!GoaThief said:
Hotel Dusk and Last Window (both DS games) come to my mind.
When you confront a character toward a topic/ revelation, you have to picked the right sequence of questions (which you will know which one is important during the conversation). You get a couple of tries but if you fail overall then it's game over.
When you confront a character toward a topic/ revelation, you have to picked the right sequence of questions (which you will know which one is important during the conversation). You get a couple of tries but if you fail overall then it's game over.
Persona 3 and 4 to a small degree. Nothing beats Phoenix Wright though obviously.
Also the conversation where you recruit Yuffie comes to mind in FF7 though that hardly constitutes a dialogue puzzle in the broader sense.
Also the conversation where you recruit Yuffie comes to mind in FF7 though that hardly constitutes a dialogue puzzle in the broader sense.
You're talking about the same guy (don't know if you know that though). While in rome you can make him dislike you enough to try and kill instead of escaping after a boss fight. If you don't you have to fight him later on or convince him to leave his boss.Quellist said:
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Yeah I would say alpha protocol and Deus ex human revolution aswell.