Delightfully offensive

[Silentpony_v1legacy]

Here's my thing; if a video game can offend you, you don't have thick enough skin to play a video game.
It would take a lot for a video game to offend me. And I mean a lot! Here I am a white guy with blue eyes and brown hair, and you could make a game titled 'Kill all white guys with blue eyes and brown hair!' and proceed to do that for 12+ hours of gameplay, and it wouldn't offend me. You could name every single character after me, still wouldn't.

Basically, you'd have to get really personal. Like the developer would have to know about that time, in the place, with the people, and put that in a game for me to upset. And they wont, because they weren't there.

And truly, this professionally offended movement has gotten worse. Like, where was the backlash for Resdient Evil 4 where all you did was kill Hispanics?! Or Legend of Zelda?! Hello, people! Zelda can walk. That's not very sensitive to people who can't. Show some respect, Nintendo! And Pokemon! How many quadriplegic transgender black Jewish Canadians can you play as?! My guess would be none! And Nintendo still puts the game out, for shame!

Someone, somewhere, opened this can of worms of 100% non offensive the entire time, and it can only end with video games as a whole ending. The industry and gaming itself cannot survive in a world where it has to be 100% politically correct the entire time.

 

[cleric of the order]

it...really isn't... you can't really tell other people if they should find something offensive or not

you alright there?
Like i suspect a number of commenters have already pointed out, offense is most definitely subjective by nature.
I think I'm going to give you the benefit of the doubt and say this was a..... oh
Well you got moxie... I can't deny that

...can I bring out my stick metaphor? cause I think its relevant

if you accidentally hit me in the face with a stick, you'd probably apologize, most people would because they understand immedetly I could be in pain,and while it was unintentional they understand it was a slight upon me... and I'd probably be like "thats cool, mabye be careful with your stick next time".again people immediately understand the pain part...its tangible.

well I don't like addressing metaphors but I should mention that this is largely the beginning of a false equivalence.
Pain is an Operant conditioner if i am not mistaken and offense should be the psychological result of Operant conditioning.
As a thought,
Fine, pain is an Operant and though empathy and unintentional people Weill be know to apologize for triggering an Operant response.
Because there is no universal offender.
Take for example Benjamen in hitchhikers guide, the most offensive swear word in the galaxy or cricket or well the modern equivalent of the "n" word. The words themselves are not Inherently offensive rather that the meanings and emotional drives behind the words are what transpose it a semi balance of meaning.

[quote/]"Ow that hurt!"
"no it didn't"
"uhhh...yes it does"
"no it doesn't , it only hurts if I meant to hit you, I didn't mean to"
"yeah but...you can see the bruise starting to show"
"maybe it hurts because you expected it to hurt and you clealry have a problem with sticks..why do you hate sticks?"
"I don't hate sticks! its just yours hit me in the face"
"IT DIDN'T BECAUSE IT WAS UNINTENTIONAL"
"I know that!"
"then why are you are you freaking out over it?? what the fuck is your problem?"
"because my face hurts!!"
"I don't believe you! youre just overly sensitive!"
"...mabye in future carry your stick closer to your body, so you wont hit people"
"you DARE suggest I change my behaviour? I DON'T HIT PEOPLE WITH SITCKS!
"you just did"
"No I didn't! stick hitters are tattooed thugs who run around after midnight! do I look like a goddamn stick hitter?"
"no but you did hit me in the face with a stick"
"NO I DIDN'T!!!"[/quote]
uhhhh.....
wow I just.
uh.
I don't really want to touch on this.
but I do have a pretty good idea of your argument and I think you jumped the gun on this one, op was just saying, the pain provided while not unreal is but rather a personal reality and of that filled with personal reasons.
Therein people can address one person's plight and find it to be a soapbox or a false concern, while it doesn't make it true i must address personal fables.
In the space between objective and subjective reality, there is cause for offense that is completely unwarned spurned on by a personal fable that a person clings to.
In this case people who are offended are offended for ego reasons that are utterly baseless and often has to do with their own emotional insecurities and fears.

my face hurts/I found that offensive <- people dissmiss the very idea that somone could be legitimatly offended by what they say or things in general, because we've been told that those bad people...the racists the sexists the homophbobes are other people characters with cartoonish veiw points (like the KKK or ultra conservative christians) and that nothing WE say (normal people) could in anyway cause offense

You didn't actually prove that it is objective.
You just proved that it hurt.
And while I can tell you it hurts as much as it does, it doesn't make it right nor does it make the sufferer right.
Reasons rules everything, why am I offended well I should explain because this knowledge of an internal system will help me explain the emotional pain that causes me.
for example
>I was raped, please don't use rape as a term.
>I lost family members in the holocaust please don't make jokes like that
>that word was used as a slurr against my people and illustrates centuries of pain in a single syllable.
>etc
If someone finds a reason invalid then they are quite right to do so and it up to the person to provide further explanation. for example.
>my dad was abusive. So? that's something he'd say before he'd go crazy. And? everything I hear It, It reminds me of the beatings and the time my mother killed herself. oh, uh, man.
people require these dialogues before they accommodate another whim and if one fails to provide it or the person still finds it silly well as my grandmother used to say, tough titties. All you can ever do is hope to come into accord with another person, not control them.

Also as an aside I would like to remind you, OP was attempting to say offense is subjective. based on personal experience only. There can be no objective thing that can offend or if there is it has yet to be found and I suspect it would be a hideous Lovecraftian horror, something that he very nature of humanity rejects on a base level.

 

[cleric of the order]

-snip-

Well said, but I have heard the former, hatred was based on the creates anger at the stagnation of the industry. IF it really is trying to make a statement and is not an edgelord project then great.
I'm going to give them the benefit of the doubt after hearing the dev comments a while ago but otherwise I don't think I'm going to play it.
Homeworld remastered is coming out soon along with a a bunch of my kickstarter stuff.
I'm going to be busy for a while and it never much interested me anyway

 

[gmaverick019_v1legacy]

(TL;DR anything that involves a man and a woman can be interpreted as sexist if you have an agenda to push, and can nitpick/twist the facts hard enough so why bother even arguing with these people)

Anyone who doesn't browse the internet for long enough to know 4chan's reputation and checks it out in a "I wonder what this 4chan thing is" type way would find it awfully offensive 99% of the time I assume. I find it hilarious.

The best example that comes to mind is Ebola-chan. Truly a terrible virus laying waste to parts of Africa being turned into a female anime character wearing a nurse-esque uniform with Ebola shaped pigtails hair is something that could only come from 4chan. She's actually pretty well drawn and designed as a themed character. Not even mad.

completely agree with this, especially the first part, but this is my first time seeing the ebola-chan, and I lol'd at that. thanks for that.

OT: as mentioned, you could find damn near anything in video games and *gasp* be offended by its use of something.

rule #99 of the internet, if it's a thought you could possibly think of: someone, somewhere, at some time..will be offended by it.

since you are opening it up to all media, one of my favorites for "delightfully offensive" is hands down the boondocks tv show. Good god does that have some AMAZINGLY offensive material, but it is so hilarious and (often times, it literally has happened in my life so I get to laugh at it twice) hits home that I just enjoy it even more.

between uncle ruckus and stinkmeaner, I'm not sure who would offend real world people more.

 

[Bizzaro Stormy]

My thought with this thread was for people to lighten up. There are cultural norms in any society that are considered offensive, unsettling, disturbing, etc. and these days it seems to have expanded to include anything that could possibly upset any given group or sub group.

the "lighten up" mentality is more often than not a deflection tactic and absolves us of thinking about our (or others) behavior

Come now my friend, you have a gif. of the Vault Boy sneaking up on a dog with a nuke much to the surprise of a nuclear family at the dinner table. You're telling me that with such an animation as your mascot we're expected to believe that you do not also revel in dark humor aimed at any particular group? I think people are much too hard on the almost Utopian attitude of 50's America, but I find the attacks on it made in such games as the Fallout and Destroy All Humans series' wondrous. Who wouldn't want to have such things as Leave it to Beaver end with anything less than energy weapons blasting everything? Please tell us your favorite Fallout moment. Hopefully it was one that skewered someone really uptight!

As for me, my very favorite line in any of the Destroy All Humans games was when the hippie girl at the beginning of Destroy All Humans 2 claimed that the entire counterculture movement was revenge on her parents for bringing her up in abject luxury! It was sublime.

 

[visiblenoise]

Anybody see Four Lions?

 

[Akjosch]

So over the last few years I've seen more and more people get their knickers in a twist over offensive/non-PC content in games. Personally I think offensiveness is in the eye of the beholder and can be rather entertaining if done right. So please pick a gaming moment that would give any enlightened/self-righteousness person the vapors and tell us about it. Seriously, pick your favorite ist or ism and how it was exploited in all of its pixelated glory on screen!

So, let's see ...

Recently I pissed off a bunch of Elves. See, the stupid pricks don't like when I "hurt" trees for anything and found a bunch of wooden furniture by accident. So they packed up and left, and came back with an invasion army a few months later.

Damn treehuggers.

Anyway, most of the army landed in various cage traps, with the remainder either slaughtered brutally or fleeing. So I took those prisoners, men and women alike, and first stripped them naked then chained them to a wall.

And then I told my marksmen to use those prisoners as live target practice.

Just another day in Dwarf Fortress.

 

[The Wykydtron]

(TL;DR anything that involves a man and a woman can be interpreted as sexist if you have an agenda to push, and can nitpick/twist the facts hard enough so why bother even arguing with these people)

Anyone who doesn't browse the internet for long enough to know 4chan's reputation and checks it out in a "I wonder what this 4chan thing is" type way would find it awfully offensive 99% of the time I assume. I find it hilarious.

The best example that comes to mind is Ebola-chan. Truly a terrible virus laying waste to parts of Africa being turned into a female anime character wearing a nurse-esque uniform with Ebola shaped pigtails hair is something that could only come from 4chan. She's actually pretty well drawn and designed as a themed character. Not even mad.

completely agree with this, especially the first part, but this is my first time seeing the ebola-chan, and I lol'd at that. thanks for that.

OT: as mentioned, you could find damn near anything in video games and *gasp* be offended by its use of something.

rule #99 of the internet, if it's a thought you could possibly think of: someone, somewhere, at some time..will be offended by it.

since you are opening it up to all media, one of my favorites for "delightfully offensive" is hands down the boondocks tv show. Good god does that have some AMAZINGLY offensive material, but it is so hilarious and (often times, it literally has happened in my life so I get to laugh at it twice) hits home that I just enjoy it even more.

between uncle ruckus and stinkmeaner, I'm not sure who would offend real world people more.

Oh man, Boondocks. I totally forgot about that show...


"EYYY SQUEEEEEEEEZE IT NIGGA!"

 

[Bizzaro Stormy]

Anybody see Four Lions?

Not yet.

So, let's see ...

Recently I pissed off a bunch of Elves. See, the stupid pricks don't like when I "hurt" trees for anything and found a bunch of wooden furniture by accident. So they packed up and left, and came back with an invasion army a few months later.

Damn treehuggers.

Anyway, most of the army landed in various cage traps, with the remainder either slaughtered brutally or fleeing. So I took those prisoners, men and women alike, and first stripped them naked then chained them to a wall.

And then I told my marksmen to use those prisoners as live target practice.

Just another day in Dwarf Fortress.

Keep up the good work.

 

[gmaverick019_v1legacy]

(TL;DR anything that involves a man and a woman can be interpreted as sexist if you have an agenda to push, and can nitpick/twist the facts hard enough so why bother even arguing with these people)

Anyone who doesn't browse the internet for long enough to know 4chan's reputation and checks it out in a "I wonder what this 4chan thing is" type way would find it awfully offensive 99% of the time I assume. I find it hilarious.

The best example that comes to mind is Ebola-chan. Truly a terrible virus laying waste to parts of Africa being turned into a female anime character wearing a nurse-esque uniform with Ebola shaped pigtails hair is something that could only come from 4chan. She's actually pretty well drawn and designed as a themed character. Not even mad.

completely agree with this, especially the first part, but this is my first time seeing the ebola-chan, and I lol'd at that. thanks for that.

OT: as mentioned, you could find damn near anything in video games and *gasp* be offended by its use of something.

rule #99 of the internet, if it's a thought you could possibly think of: someone, somewhere, at some time..will be offended by it.

since you are opening it up to all media, one of my favorites for "delightfully offensive" is hands down the boondocks tv show. Good god does that have some AMAZINGLY offensive material, but it is so hilarious and (often times, it literally has happened in my life so I get to laugh at it twice) hits home that I just enjoy it even more.

between uncle ruckus and stinkmeaner, I'm not sure who would offend real world people more.

Oh man, Boondocks. I totally forgot about that show...


"EYYY SQUEEEEEEEEZE IT NIGGA!"

Shit is amazing. As mentioned, it's hit close to home on so many episodes so I've just been hooked in hoping more of it did. I couldn't find the whole clip, but the episode where gin rummy (samual l jackson) and ed rob the mini-mart was hilarious. At the end when they walk out and say "what the fuck ya'll lookin at?" and all the white people praise them as heroes, lol'd hard at that.

 

[rorychief]

Armed and dangerous for the xbox. Not really offensive, but I could see how it might be to sensitives.

Most characters good and bad speak with an english accent, peasants with a welsh accent, mole people with a scottish accent, and then the standard grunt enemies speak in an irish accent. It's a hilarious game with great absurdist dialogue and plotting, but I remember being confused as to why all the irish people were ugly misshapen brutes like that was what irish people are in this world.

It just reminded me of the caricatures of lumpy bestial subhumans used in old racist propaganda, and maybe the joke was 'let's show a world where what bigots believe to be true is a actually true to highlight how absurd their beliefs are.'
A wonderful source of humour often avoided for its potential to offend when presented poorly. I dunno if that was the intention with the boy-o grunts. I sniggered regardless setting the landshark on them. Poor lads were up to their balls in teeth.

And yes, american autocorrect. Snigger is my preference not snicker. Geez, censorship much?
If anyone's going to drop the S it'll be you.

 

[RJ 17]

I don't get offended very easily...certainly not by anything in a videogame. But my personal favorite story revolving around someone taking offense to a videogame was regarding Portal 2. Apparently GLaDOS constant mocking of Chell by calling her adopted was the absolute height of offensiveness to a father who had an adopted child.

Just goes to prove that everything is offensive to someone out there. Look long enough and I'd imagine you could find someone that's offended by a glass of water...what with its...its condensation sliding down the sides of the glass and its...its...its ice cubes floating around and such. *grumblegrumblegrumble*

 

[gmaverick019_v1legacy]

Just goes to prove that everything is offensive to someone out there. Look long enough and I'd imagine you could find someone that's offended by a glass of water...what with its...its condensation sliding down the sides of the glass and its...its...its ice cubes floating around and such. *grumblegrumblegrumble*

the glass is CLEARLY oppressing the water, it's forcing it's watersogynistic society on it by making it conform to its shape! why does the glass get to decide the waters shape? Why is the glass so over-represented compared to the water? The glass clearly is pandered to, why shouldn't the water have affirmative action in place for it? Why does the glass have to be half full? Why is the glass so see through that everyone gets to see the water naked? why doesn't the water ever get to speak its opinion? WHY IS THE GLASS NECESSARY IN THE FIRST PLACE?

 

[RJ 17]

Just goes to prove that everything is offensive to someone out there. Look long enough and I'd imagine you could find someone that's offended by a glass of water...what with its...its condensation sliding down the sides of the glass and its...its...its ice cubes floating around and such. *grumblegrumblegrumble*

the glass is CLEARLY oppressing the water, it's forcing it's watersogynistic society on it by making it conform to its shape! why does the glass get to decide the waters shape? Why is the glass so over-represented compared to the water? The glass clearly is pandered to, why shouldn't the water have affirmative action in place for it? Why does the glass have to be half full? Why is the glass so see through that everyone gets to see the water naked? why doesn't the water ever get to speak its opinion? WHY IS THE GLASS NECESSARY IN THE FIRST PLACE?

I guess this is just the society that we live in and it's absolutely shameful. It's 2015! How have we not progressed enough to move beyond this? STOP OBJECTIFYING THE WATER ALREADY!!

The first step is we need to get water the right to vote, then comes the right to marriage, then we can say we're at least trying treat water with the equality and respect it deserves!

 

[gmaverick019_v1legacy]

Just goes to prove that everything is offensive to someone out there. Look long enough and I'd imagine you could find someone that's offended by a glass of water...what with its...its condensation sliding down the sides of the glass and its...its...its ice cubes floating around and such. *grumblegrumblegrumble*

the glass is CLEARLY oppressing the water, it's forcing it's watersogynistic society on it by making it conform to its shape! why does the glass get to decide the waters shape? Why is the glass so over-represented compared to the water? The glass clearly is pandered to, why shouldn't the water have affirmative action in place for it? Why does the glass have to be half full? Why is the glass so see through that everyone gets to see the water naked? why doesn't the water ever get to speak its opinion? WHY IS THE GLASS NECESSARY IN THE FIRST PLACE?

I guess this is just the society that we live in and it's absolutely shameful. It's 2015! How have we not progressed enough to move beyond this? STOP OBJECTIFYING THE WATER ALREADY!!

The first step is we need to get water the right to vote, then comes the right to marriage, then we can say we're at least trying treat water with the equality and respect it deserves!

we must break the glass[footnote]yes I did make a pun on that, sue me[/footnote] boundaries that are preventing equality! Down with the glassiarchy!

 

[Bizzaro Stormy]

So could the scene in Evil Dead 2 where the mirror's glass becomes water when touched be symbolic? Instead of the oppressed water being held by a glass, it has become a form of glass. It joins its oppressor and together their evil is magnified to the point where a man merely touching them begins to lose his mind!

 

[CaitSeith]

My thought with this thread was for people to lighten up. There are cultural norms in any society that are considered offensive, unsettling, disturbing, etc. and these days it seems to have expanded to include anything that could possibly upset any given group or sub group.

Words matter, and sadly yours sounded like you were looking to cause troubles. Certainly this place may need to lighten up, but know your audience or you'll get these reactions more often than intended (let's be honest, these comments were bound to happen anyway).

OT: Bayonetta, almost anything on it. That game was designed with one theme in mind: just how sexy can we make our game and get away with it? It's filled with so many sexual innuendos that no self-righteous person could resist to criticize (or at least to give rolling eyes or facepalms until the end)

Spoiler: EDIT: This...

EDIT: ...just this...

 

[Micalas]

Ummm... An offensive moment that will make a SJW bleed tears of blood...

Look at how it opens the borders of female characters! No long are they the oppressed, now they the ones in the dominant position!

This game looks awesome. It's a Vita thing, yeah?

 

[Bizzaro Stormy]

My thought with this thread was for people to lighten up. There are cultural norms in any society that are considered offensive, unsettling, disturbing, etc. and these days it seems to have expanded to include anything that could possibly upset any given group or sub group.

Words matter, and sadly yours sounded like you were looking to cause troubles. Certainly this place may need to lighten up, but know your audience or you'll get these reactions more often than intended (let's be honest, these comments were bound to happen anyway).

OT: Bayonetta, almost anything on it. That game was designed with one theme in mind: just how sexy can we make our game and get away with it? It's filled with so many sexual innuendos that no self-righteous person could resist to criticize (or at least to give rolling eyes or facepalms until the end)

Spoiler: EDIT: This...

EDIT: ...just this...

Of course words matter. Of course comments questioning the reasons for this thread exist. Can you clean an infected wound without causing pain? Getting people to understand that some things aren't worth fighting over is going to have a similar pain filled reaction. Hopefully the healing helps reduce the length of that pain and make life more pleasant.

With that said I was also looking to cause a little trouble. No sense doing a dirty job if you can't have some fun! I never played Bayonetta but I've heard nothing but good things about it. Perhaps I'll try it at somepoint.

 

[LordLundar]

Ummm... An offensive moment that will make a SJW bleed tears of blood...

Look at how it opens the borders of female characters! No long are they the oppressed, now they the ones in the dominant position!

This game looks awesome. It's a Vita thing, yeah?

The first game in the series is on Steam now and hopefully others will follow suit.