Depression?
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Branded as Cipramil sometimes??Griffolion said:
I've been depressed for roughly ten years now, although recently things have been a lot better. I still have no social life, but I'm burying myself in my work and feeling more level now.
I was prescribed four different medications in the early days, although I can only remember three of the names, Cipramil, Fluoxetin (Prozac) and Dothiepin, which was on old-school tricyclic and absolutely fucking horrendous. I never stuck to the pills, they made me air-belch constantly, twich/fidget and act pretty vacantly. I only recently flushed four boxes of them down the toilet as they were four years out of date.
I got off lightly. A girl I worked with was heavily on Seroxat and was pretty near suicidal when her dose was lessened. It was a fun office when we teamed up!
It may be cliched, but time was a great healer for me. But it's all chemicals, what works for one, may not work for another. You just gotta do what feels right.
I don't want to agree, but I kinda do. Still it doesn't help on my seasonal depression, there's just no motivation or strength to drain when it kicks in. And if it's not biological, then why do intake of certain chemicals help? The mind works by chemicals, or so they say.khaimera said:
Depression....One of those few things that I find difficult to identify, let alone understand.
I sometimes wonder if I deal with depression. There are times where I lose hope, where I don't leave my home, where I sit away and hide, not daring to chat with people, or do anything. It is an interesting mind set that I have yet to understand.
Perhaps it is a chemical imbalance, and that medication may be the answer. Or perhaps it is something deeper. You can't heal psychological problems with medication. Only cover them. I often wonder if perhaps I'm just self destructive at times, which is why I prefer to hide when I feel like I do, because I fear I may get an idea that I am certain will solve nothing.
Depression is something that I know causes people to lose hope. It can kill, because depression is but the absence of hope, and without that, what is the point of living? With no hope for the future, there is no point to go after it.
Depression is also something that I'm not sure if people can deal with it alone. It eats at people, I think. It rips at them, making them question people they know, and strangers they don't. Perhaps you can overcome it. Perhaps it is possibly to simply snap out of it.
But I doubt it.
I sometimes wonder if I deal with depression. There are times where I lose hope, where I don't leave my home, where I sit away and hide, not daring to chat with people, or do anything. It is an interesting mind set that I have yet to understand.
Perhaps it is a chemical imbalance, and that medication may be the answer. Or perhaps it is something deeper. You can't heal psychological problems with medication. Only cover them. I often wonder if perhaps I'm just self destructive at times, which is why I prefer to hide when I feel like I do, because I fear I may get an idea that I am certain will solve nothing.
Depression is something that I know causes people to lose hope. It can kill, because depression is but the absence of hope, and without that, what is the point of living? With no hope for the future, there is no point to go after it.
Depression is also something that I'm not sure if people can deal with it alone. It eats at people, I think. It rips at them, making them question people they know, and strangers they don't. Perhaps you can overcome it. Perhaps it is possibly to simply snap out of it.
But I doubt it.
Depression, eh? Can't say I've seen its face, personally. Because of that, I'm reluctant to tell people who've been smiled at by depression to grin back. I am a psych student, but unfortunately, I've spent more time studying the flashier disorders. However, I do remember that cognitive behavioural therapy paired with medication (whether selective serotonin re-uptake inhibitors, dopamine re-uptake inhibitors, or those old tricyclic drugs) seems to be the most effective treatment regimen. Just remember: fuck Freud. Psychoanalysis remains the most costly and ineffective form of treatment for ANY psychological ailment.
On a side note, to any other psych students on here, I remember reading in the DSM-IV that recent bereavement is considered an exclusion criterion for clinical unipolar depression. Is there a time-frame for this, or what? Or did I read it completely wrong?
On a side note, to any other psych students on here, I remember reading in the DSM-IV that recent bereavement is considered an exclusion criterion for clinical unipolar depression. Is there a time-frame for this, or what? Or did I read it completely wrong?
i am sorry guys ... but i laughed so hard when i saw the one guy with the lenin cat avatar tell the posh cat avatar guy he was "basicly like you"Enemy Of The State said:
third time in 30 mins escapist made me laugh out loudi have had periods in my life where looking back i probably was depressed a while, luckily that never snowballed into something bigger or worse
First off, thank you for hearing me out and not immediately getting pissed and writing me off as an idiot. I do get what you're saying and you're sort of right. The problem is that science has not advanced enough for us to know how much of any brain chemical we have at a given type, unless you die, and then we immediately cut into the brain.Mimsofthedawg said:
What anitdepresants do is help us use the chemicals we already make. The drug does not give us more chemicals, but allows those chemicals to stay where they need to be, so that we can feel their effects.
The problem with current scientific knowledge is that we're using teh age old correlation does not equal causation. Thats why therapy also works, as does a sugar pill for 30 perecnt of teh peoepl who take it. Hope mattter more than anyone knows. For example, we don't know how or why Ritalin works. Its a stimulant that calms some people. We dont know why, we just know that it helps.
My first post here was meant to be controversial and was unfortunately written off as invalid. I wanted to challenge most people's overly traditional views about depression. I don't belive that the choice is ever conscious, and its possible that Choice Theory is wrong alltogether. It fits for some and doesn't for others.
I'l stop now because I could write a dissertation on all this.
Surround yourself with good people. And something that is beneficial, but that you find punishing. Excercise is a good one, or playing an instrument. Seriously, anything that you find difficult, but you see a purpose to. Mine was running, and I came 12th in my county a year and a half after starting It felt good. Just ask yourself, what interests you that you never got round to?
It felt good. Just ask yourself, what interests you that you never got round to?
You are right. There is a mind body connection and medications do work. My issue is more about what causes it. Many people think that becuase meds help, then there must be a biological cause. Its like saying that headaches are caused by an aspirin deficiency. The logic doesn't hold. Its also good to remember that placebo (sugar pill) reduces depression in a third of the peopel who take it. Meds work on 66. Then there are one third who will receive no benefit from meds. The problem is that science hasn't adavcned enough. Drug companies will say otherwise, but their only goal is to sell more pills.HaraDaya said:
That's psychiatry and psychology all over. There's no one Solution For Everyone, never will be, and is one reason why I despise the 'checklist psychology' routine pushed by the pharma corps... another reason being I have 'atypical reactions' to several psych meds. Not fun when the common approach to most psych disorders is initially symptom suppression and you're a psychotic who gets worse when on anti-psychotics and tranqs.khaimera said:
I've never been depressed, i've felt really sad for a long period of time but there was nothing wrong with me.
You'l get over it mate.
You'l get over it mate.
I was depressed once.
Depression knows not to come back `till it's god damned needed.
I was just like "fuck you, what's wrong? nothing. Now fuck off before I stab your whiny ***** ass". And my depression was replaced with rage, so I went and played some stalker.
Depression knows not to come back `till it's god damned needed.
I was just like "fuck you, what's wrong? nothing. Now fuck off before I stab your whiny ***** ass". And my depression was replaced with rage, so I went and played some stalker.
I've been depressed (not clinically) off and on for the past (what) three or four years(?). I'd say the source of it was coming out of a two-three year relationship and then just striking out / not meeting anyone good between then and about a month ago. I wasn't solidly depressed the whole time. I had / have a good group of friends that always manage to bring me back up when I'm feeling my lowest. And, in the past month, things seem to be (more or less) good. However, being as pessimistic as I am, something will set me back spiraling into a depression because it fails to meet my unreasonable standards for life... until then... let the good times roll.
As someone who has experianced the symptoms of depression I can understand the miasma of miss-information and miss-conceptions surrounding depression. I hasen to add I am not clinically diagnosed but I have seen a phycologist earlier in my life due to family break up issues, issues that still remain among other things.
Often depression or depressed feelings are triggered by lots of stuff, and it's difficult to catagorise what emotions are going on that actually represent a genuine lack of mental well-being (I prefer that term as well-being implies being happy and content, something you're not really when you're depressed).
I am among, I'm sure, a number of people who haven't been to the Doctor's to get diagnosed for a number of reasons; Here are a few I suspect I'm not the only one in feeling:
1. I worry that I'm exagerating and it's just hormonal or some such normalness.
2. I don't like to talk about what makes me feel down and sad, because it in turn makes me feel down and sad.
3. I don't want to be labeled as 'depressed' for fear of the stigma.
I'm sure that's not the healthiest thing to do but there's a real fear of diagnosis from a Doctor as with any illness.
I definately think that depression is a serious thing and anyone who suffers from it or cares for someone suffering from it needs very real support to help them through a tough time. One in four of us statistically will suffer from depression or other similar lack of mental well-being within our life time so we need to remove the stigma and offer each other all the support we can.
Often depression or depressed feelings are triggered by lots of stuff, and it's difficult to catagorise what emotions are going on that actually represent a genuine lack of mental well-being (I prefer that term as well-being implies being happy and content, something you're not really when you're depressed).
I am among, I'm sure, a number of people who haven't been to the Doctor's to get diagnosed for a number of reasons; Here are a few I suspect I'm not the only one in feeling:
1. I worry that I'm exagerating and it's just hormonal or some such normalness.
2. I don't like to talk about what makes me feel down and sad, because it in turn makes me feel down and sad.
3. I don't want to be labeled as 'depressed' for fear of the stigma.
I'm sure that's not the healthiest thing to do but there's a real fear of diagnosis from a Doctor as with any illness.
I definately think that depression is a serious thing and anyone who suffers from it or cares for someone suffering from it needs very real support to help them through a tough time. One in four of us statistically will suffer from depression or other similar lack of mental well-being within our life time so we need to remove the stigma and offer each other all the support we can.
No no no don't leave, we could be onto something here. I do appreciate what you're saying and meds aren't the correct way to deal with depression (especially considering how irresponsibly doctors prescribe them these days) however I need to know, have you ever suffered from depression?khaimera said:
If it helps ill tell you little about my history if mental illness. I ve been suffering al my life from from various sort of things, lack of being recognise, low selfasteam, always setting the standards of how good i should be and ofc never being good enoff, bad eating habbits, little ore lack of sleep, constant worreing about what might happen, putting myself as wrong duer in peoples problem and as follows, guilt guilt guilt...
Al this bad patterns ive practiced al my life ore say 15 years atleast and for the last 5 years ive been dealing with al the shit it makes me do ore not do. I had a meltdown when I was about 19 and im now 24 and still struggleing with the above daily, as alot of these negative anomalies makes me do bad things ore practecly do nothing ore as they make me afraid sometimes and I run into otherworlds like computergaming, tv-series, movies ore food to forget and supress.
Seeing a psychologist and a doctor, having light medication and trying new things is something that helps alot. Also sorrounding yourself with people who are willing to understand you, boost you and help you, activities that activates your body as it realeases the bodys own "happie" substances and good food really helps to keep a higher curve in your mood.
Its hard sometimes and sometimes your down on the floor screaming your lungs out cuss it hurts, sometimes one performs as al the rest, and sometimes your better. The most important thing is to never give up, cuss the longer you keep at doing good to yourself, the more the body will learn. Even if it feels hopeless sometimes, cuss for me the bad has been there so long so its hard to make a dent in the wall of bricks just by blowing at it, but in time you will learn new ways of attacking the problems and soon youll be jusing a sledgehammer to brake down that wall.
Never give up my friend, but dont be afraid to rest either, sometimes its nice to take a step back and see how far one has come on the journey.
I hope me sharing this helps you understand that your not allown and if you need answers there out there and people are willing to share =)
And remember "It is always darkest just before the Day dawneth" ,1650 T. Fuller Pisgah Sight
(I apologise for my poor english, not my native language)
Al this bad patterns ive practiced al my life ore say 15 years atleast and for the last 5 years ive been dealing with al the shit it makes me do ore not do. I had a meltdown when I was about 19 and im now 24 and still struggleing with the above daily, as alot of these negative anomalies makes me do bad things ore practecly do nothing ore as they make me afraid sometimes and I run into otherworlds like computergaming, tv-series, movies ore food to forget and supress.
Seeing a psychologist and a doctor, having light medication and trying new things is something that helps alot. Also sorrounding yourself with people who are willing to understand you, boost you and help you, activities that activates your body as it realeases the bodys own "happie" substances and good food really helps to keep a higher curve in your mood.
Its hard sometimes and sometimes your down on the floor screaming your lungs out cuss it hurts, sometimes one performs as al the rest, and sometimes your better. The most important thing is to never give up, cuss the longer you keep at doing good to yourself, the more the body will learn. Even if it feels hopeless sometimes, cuss for me the bad has been there so long so its hard to make a dent in the wall of bricks just by blowing at it, but in time you will learn new ways of attacking the problems and soon youll be jusing a sledgehammer to brake down that wall.
Never give up my friend, but dont be afraid to rest either, sometimes its nice to take a step back and see how far one has come on the journey.
I hope me sharing this helps you understand that your not allown and if you need answers there out there and people are willing to share =)
And remember "It is always darkest just before the Day dawneth" ,1650 T. Fuller Pisgah Sight
(I apologise for my poor english, not my native language)
Never thought I'd here you say that too me here. I thought I royally pissed you off. I knew what I was saying would offend some and enrage others, but there are different ways to view mental illness. Hopefully I opened up some minds. I promise you that this isn't my own theory and does have some research to back it up. This doctor is veiwed as a radical by many in the field.SmartIdiot said:
As for your question. I was depressed for much of my adolesence. My father was abusive and very negative and I had no self-esteem becuase of it. I went to therapy, but did a lot of work on myself and after a few years. I beat it. It took me thinking about life and myself in new ways, and putting myself in new situations that the old me woudl have ran away from.
Also, I work in the mental health field and treat depression.
I see. Again I was overly aggressive with my first response (perhaps subconsciously I do that so that I'm guaranteed to get one back...). Having been prescribed meds at a previous point in my life and having seen doctors liberally/irresponsibly throw them at people who don't even need them I understand the stance of needing to find other treatments for mental illness. However perhaps its just the way I'm interpreting it but the link you posted seems to be describing little more than counselling(another treatment I went through where we did the same things, talked it through, found ways to change thought processes i.e don't think 'I can't do this' think 'I'll give it a shot') and while this is a very useful way for dealing with depression the person really has to make an effort. I guess it comes down to how deeply affected they are. Obviously you know the classic scenario, when a depressive goes outside and finds that it's raining, it's only raining on them. Though I wouldn't go so far to say depression could be a choice(whether subconsciously or not). Then again perhaps I'm just frustrated that this theory didn't reach me sooner. And then again again, perhaps there's a fundamental link here that I'm just not getting.khaimera said:
Well when I was feeling depressed I went to my GP who referred me to a therapist. Depending on what your exact condition is, depends on the type of therapy you will recieve. For example, I have problems with self-harm, so I was referred to a psychiatrist. A friend of mine who was depressed was referred to a counsellor at the doctors surgery. The best thing you can do is talk to your GP and discuss your options. Feel free to PM me if you have any questions.