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Well 3 of the 5 you mentioned in Bad Games are huge names so they're gonna sell buy the bucket regardless and what the other two are I have no idea. As for Portal and LBP selling well, did they? Great games sure but best sellers?
How do we fix idiots buying crap games?
Well aside from replaying Legion's loyalty quest only with people...I don't really know
How do we fix idiots buying crap games?
Well aside from replaying Legion's loyalty quest only with people...I don't really know
Good and bad games both sell well? How is this news? Good and bad movies sell well, too. And books. And music. This isn't anything new or inherently unique to gaming, or any other medium really. What's popular is popular, and sometimes it's just inexplicable. The big gamemakers are going to make what they feel will make a lot of money. The gamemakers who actually care about what they make will make what they feel will be a good game. Same goes for movies, books, and music. I'm afraid that's just how things are. The best we can do is never fail to voice criticism or praise when it's due, and spend our money wisely.
First, what's BW3?
Second, who are you to decide what is and isn't crap? Different people have different tastes. I take issue with your list, I honestly think MW3 is still good (starting to get tiresome, yes. But in a vacuum it's still as fun as ever). I also like Portal 2, Skyrim and Arkham City so what does that make me?
Third, I played Oblivion, Skyrim, Arkham Asylum, and Arkham City. I think your criticisms of the 'crap' games could be applied to your 'good' games as well. Adding a sandbox to Arkham City and refining the boss battles isn't THAT big of a game changer to be honest. Also, I think people could be forgiven for thinking that Skyrim is just a better looking, more refined version of Oblivion with dragons thrown in.
Second, who are you to decide what is and isn't crap? Different people have different tastes. I take issue with your list, I honestly think MW3 is still good (starting to get tiresome, yes. But in a vacuum it's still as fun as ever). I also like Portal 2, Skyrim and Arkham City so what does that make me?
Third, I played Oblivion, Skyrim, Arkham Asylum, and Arkham City. I think your criticisms of the 'crap' games could be applied to your 'good' games as well. Adding a sandbox to Arkham City and refining the boss battles isn't THAT big of a game changer to be honest. Also, I think people could be forgiven for thinking that Skyrim is just a better looking, more refined version of Oblivion with dragons thrown in.
I dont think it needs "fixing" since good and bad are completely subjective. I get it, you dont like MMS games and thats ok but that doesnt, by default, make them bad. What makes a game like MW3 bad IMO is that it offers very little beyond a map pack. Its DLC worthy, not a full game.
Still just because I dont like the game doesnt mean its bad, people need to have the right to enjoy what games they enjoy no matter the reason.
Still just because I dont like the game doesnt mean its bad, people need to have the right to enjoy what games they enjoy no matter the reason.
Nothing to fix here, there will always be morons gobbling up the twilights of the gaming industry so I suggest you live with it.
The far more pressing problem for gaming was been the rise of the BRO mentality in the gaming community, which in turn has caused to developers to bring out games that are almost certainly more dumbed down than their predecessors, to cater to the new clueless dipshit demographic. I've always felt this way but this sentiment was driven home even more when I finally got around to finishing some of my favorite games of all time: the Thief series. Having finished both Thief Gold and Thief 2 in about one week and a half I have to say that most games I've played in 2011(and I play all genres) can't even touch this series, which had dated graphics even for its time.
But it more than made up for it with some great mythos, terrific gameplay and soundwork(both ost, in game dialogue and amazing use of sounds in your creeping process). And most important, it VERY RARELY held your hand throughout, it gave you a map(not particularly useful one at that) and assumed you could figure out shit on your own.
I know it's not fair to judge games by their fanbases but I think the Thief community says a lot about the kind of people that appreciate a smart, well made game that isn't insulting to the player. The Thief community took the reigns from the defunt Looking glass and made THEIR OWN FREAKING GAME(based off Thief engine), Shadows of the Metal age, downloadable for free online. And it's damn good, almost as good as the originals by Looking Glass. You see COD fanboys doing something like this if they had access to a source code?
Sadly I think that the gaming industry is heading towards the kind of "instant gratification" model that has plagued so many entertainment venues. Appealing to the lowest common denominator as it were. There are a few studios that still keep churning out good games that don't have BRO stamped all over them but they few and far between.
This whole thing reminds of what Yahtzee said about the old Deus Ex, when they had time to program actual responses from NPC for unusual stuff that you did in the game(the only thing comparable in the modern sequel, which I liked, was Jensen coming back from the womens bathroom to be scolded by Pritchard), routes you took and such.
The far more pressing problem for gaming was been the rise of the BRO mentality in the gaming community, which in turn has caused to developers to bring out games that are almost certainly more dumbed down than their predecessors, to cater to the new clueless dipshit demographic. I've always felt this way but this sentiment was driven home even more when I finally got around to finishing some of my favorite games of all time: the Thief series. Having finished both Thief Gold and Thief 2 in about one week and a half I have to say that most games I've played in 2011(and I play all genres) can't even touch this series, which had dated graphics even for its time.
But it more than made up for it with some great mythos, terrific gameplay and soundwork(both ost, in game dialogue and amazing use of sounds in your creeping process). And most important, it VERY RARELY held your hand throughout, it gave you a map(not particularly useful one at that) and assumed you could figure out shit on your own.
I know it's not fair to judge games by their fanbases but I think the Thief community says a lot about the kind of people that appreciate a smart, well made game that isn't insulting to the player. The Thief community took the reigns from the defunt Looking glass and made THEIR OWN FREAKING GAME(based off Thief engine), Shadows of the Metal age, downloadable for free online. And it's damn good, almost as good as the originals by Looking Glass. You see COD fanboys doing something like this if they had access to a source code?
Sadly I think that the gaming industry is heading towards the kind of "instant gratification" model that has plagued so many entertainment venues. Appealing to the lowest common denominator as it were. There are a few studios that still keep churning out good games that don't have BRO stamped all over them but they few and far between.
This whole thing reminds of what Yahtzee said about the old Deus Ex, when they had time to program actual responses from NPC for unusual stuff that you did in the game(the only thing comparable in the modern sequel, which I liked, was Jensen coming back from the womens bathroom to be scolded by Pritchard), routes you took and such.
I meant BF3 a.k.a. Battlefield 3 but it might as well be Battle Warfare 3 because Modern Warfare and Battlefield 3 are pretty much equals at doing repetitive manipulative crap that makes you feel like you're doing something that has actual value.Buretsu said:
Uhh... okay, first off, Skyrim, Bastion and Arkham City all reward you with slightly better weapons and slight improvements to your character.Epyc Wyn said:
You are not expressing yourself well. Your post lacks clarity. You need to discover the magic of paragraphs. CAPS is no substitute.
As for how to fix it, I have a brilliant suggestion: buy the stuff you think is good, don't buy the stuff you think is bad, quit trying to impose your subjective tastes in entertainment and get your nose out of what other people spend their own money on.
Sheesh.
Why do "bad" games sell well? Because people enjoy them, if people get enjoyment from them then they probably consider them good. Even if they don't they enjoy and are entertained by them so they will probably buy them.
A better question would be how to fix your judgemental attitude.
An even better question would be whether or not a games price should be based on the amount of content it has, for example should Syrim be the same price as The Darkness 2?
A better question would be how to fix your judgemental attitude.
An even better question would be whether or not a games price should be based on the amount of content it has, for example should Syrim be the same price as The Darkness 2?
not every one has the same taste (or taste for that matter)
this picture pretty much sums up the problem
I love using this picture
this picture pretty much sums up the problem
I love using this picture
I'm not sure if you've actually played Battlefield 3, because BF3 is actually a genuine fun experience. Besides the "crap that makes you feel like you're doing something that has actual value." could easily be applied to any other games out there, even Bastion. It's all down to each and everyone's personal taste and opinion.Epyc Wyn said:
Well you could work on a mind-control device that forces everyone to share the same opinion as you, or you could just accept the slight possibility that not everyone likes the exact same things you do.
You know what I find funny? The good games you consider to be original ideas... four out of five of them are sequels.
Seriously, when are people going to get over the fact other people have different opinions. Do you want to know something shocking? I didn't like Portal. I thought it was a mediorce game at best, and the only good thing to come out of it was the ending song "Still Alive". In fact, out of all the best games you listed, none of them have interested me enough to check them out. Either because I didn't like the first game in the series, or because I never really got around to it (as is the case with Bastion and Skyrim).
So take a chill pill, get over it, and realize that other people liking and buying games you don't like isn't the end of the world. Geez...
You know what I find funny? The good games you consider to be original ideas... four out of five of them are sequels.
Seriously, when are people going to get over the fact other people have different opinions. Do you want to know something shocking? I didn't like Portal. I thought it was a mediorce game at best, and the only good thing to come out of it was the ending song "Still Alive". In fact, out of all the best games you listed, none of them have interested me enough to check them out. Either because I didn't like the first game in the series, or because I never really got around to it (as is the case with Bastion and Skyrim).
So take a chill pill, get over it, and realize that other people liking and buying games you don't like isn't the end of the world. Geez...
Sigh... While I could point out a big flaw in your opening arguement about the sequels, I will leave that to everyone else who begrudgingly replies to this thread.Epyc Wyn said:
Since, as a species, we have different tastes and interests within the gaming community, there will always be a difference on what sort of game is 'good' and 'bad'. For me, I am not a big fan of FPS games, I understand their appeal for other gamers. With the multiplayer, I am not big on that sort of thing, but I know people like to shoot other people (in games).
While you are obviously annoyed at this, and while I reply I feel like I am feeding a massive troll, it will be impossible to 'fix' this. I own a PS3 and I hated Uncharted 3. Reading all the reviews of that game and it's high scores depressed me. Seeing the rewards it was getting was just as upsetting, and while I hope that Naughty Dog learn how to write game plots and not 'connect the dots', I will never touch an Uncharted game because of the moronic threading of the plot. To me it is a bad game, with bad design and I have the same level of passion for Nathan Drake that Yahtzee does. But other people loved the game, and it perplexes me. But I understand why they like it.
"Dumb fun", it's why the Expendables is getting a sequel. It's why games like MW3 and BF 3, and those games you despise so much keep selling like hot cakes. Very little thinking involved, just shoot what's shooting you.
But fixing this? Impossible, short of global suicide. People will not like the same game as you, DEAL WITH IT!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
Epyc Wyn said:
Sums it up.
The games you mentioned are only 'bad' in your opinion. Your opinion does not define the gaming industry. I mean this in the kindest possible way fella but please stop being so self-involved. You claim that MW3 is repetitive, whilst saying that Skyrim is not. Now, I love both these games but you've got to admit nearly every quest in Skyrim is 'go to location A, kill creature B' - escpecially the 'radiant' quests. I've had Jarls send me out on bandit hunting missions so often that I've regularly been sent to kill a new group of bandits in an area where the corpses of an old group of bandits still litter the ground! You claim your 'good' games were original but out of those you selected Portal 2, LittleBigPlanet 2, Skyrim (TES 5) and Arkham City (follow-up to Asylum) are all sequels. I understand how sequels can still bring new ideas to a series, but you seem to be counting the changes made to the sequels you like as innovative and progressive whilst discounting the changes made to the sequels you don't like as repetitive and meaningless.
We do not 'fix this' because there is nothing to fix.
Apart from DNF. I'll agree with you there.
EDIT - Image Ninja'd by henritje. Dammit.
I'm pretty sure if you think you're having fun, then you are having fun. If people find being rewarded with little things like "a slightly better gun or a slightly better character" fun, then good. I hope they keep buying those games, and have lots more fun. This is a good thing. I personally enjoy the games from your "best" list much more than those (with the exception of Little Big Planet), so I buy them. This is also good.
I don't see a problem.
I don't see a problem.
Because unlike Modern Warfare 3, when you hit level 80 and prestige, it doesn't make you earn back all of your stuff. For both games in general, Skyrim has better looking gear that has more applicable uses and makes leveling up an important part of becoming stronger and advancing an ACTUAL PLOT where in MW3 you can get killed with ease even at level 80 by a level 23 character. I do however, see the flaw in my statement because Skyrim does have you doing a lot of the manipulative RPG elements incorporated into MW3 and BF3.Bobic said: