Being cynical is normal for a DX fan. I mean we are a crazy bunch. I fully expect the official forms to be exploding with people being cynical about the game. It will be a bloodbath just like last time. Now that is cynical.Gethsemani said:
Deus Ex: Mankind Divided (I asked for this)
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Well to be fair HR had this horrible trailer (and also some reminders to it in form of loading screens). *shudders*nomotog said:Being cynical is normal for a DX fan. I mean we are a crazy bunch. I fully expect the official forms to be exploding with people being cynical about the game. It will be a bloodbath just like last time. Now that is cynical.
None of the endings contradict DX1, primarily because the developers took the lazy way out, and DIDN'T SHOW ANY SPECIFIC CONSEQUENCES, leaving them fully open to interpretation.Random Gamer said:
Relative to DX1...
Taggart Ending is just the easiest to explain in continuity. Not much more than that.
Darrow Ending sounds contradictory, but consider that by revealing everything to the public, this effectively sparks the backlash that would lead to the Northwest Succession War & the NSF, which are eventually pacified by the Powers That Be prior to DX1.
The upheaval of public control might be one of the impetus for the Illuminatti to splinter, with most of them leaving to follow Bob Page to form MJ12.
Sarif's ending leads to the same result as Darrow's, but in a slightly different way.
Blaming the Humanity Front would start a public backlash against anti-augmentation groups, but the thing is, anti-augmentation was, by far, the dominant public opinion presented throughout Human Revolution; it's a major theme of the game. This results in the public being more polarized and divided amongst itself.
Also, while the Humanity Front is an Illuminatti puppet organization, it's also comprised primarily of anti-aug zealots.
Discrediting them could easily lead to Illuminatti losing control over them (if not just straight up abandoning them) leading to their remnants forming the initial NSF (NW succession war, etc).
Furthermore, Bob Page and Versalife are the ones that ultimately profit from a more pro-augmentation world. Perhaps this is when Mr. Page feels like shucking off his Illuminatti cohorts and taking control for himself.
Panchea Explosion is just as you describe.
Jensen didn't exactly break the Illuminatti's hold on humanity by blowing up Panchea...or do much of anything, really.
Taggart Ending is just the easiest to explain in continuity. Not much more than that.
Darrow Ending sounds contradictory, but consider that by revealing everything to the public, this effectively sparks the backlash that would lead to the Northwest Succession War & the NSF, which are eventually pacified by the Powers That Be prior to DX1.
The upheaval of public control might be one of the impetus for the Illuminatti to splinter, with most of them leaving to follow Bob Page to form MJ12.
Sarif's ending leads to the same result as Darrow's, but in a slightly different way.
Blaming the Humanity Front would start a public backlash against anti-augmentation groups, but the thing is, anti-augmentation was, by far, the dominant public opinion presented throughout Human Revolution; it's a major theme of the game. This results in the public being more polarized and divided amongst itself.
Also, while the Humanity Front is an Illuminatti puppet organization, it's also comprised primarily of anti-aug zealots.
Discrediting them could easily lead to Illuminatti losing control over them (if not just straight up abandoning them) leading to their remnants forming the initial NSF (NW succession war, etc).
Furthermore, Bob Page and Versalife are the ones that ultimately profit from a more pro-augmentation world. Perhaps this is when Mr. Page feels like shucking off his Illuminatti cohorts and taking control for himself.
Panchea Explosion is just as you describe.
Jensen didn't exactly break the Illuminatti's hold on humanity by blowing up Panchea...or do much of anything, really.
It looks like this new game might contradict Human Revolution. Well, at least the last ending anyway.
Nay. If you wanted to be really cynical, you'd say that this trailer was authorized by people who believe their core customers are still teens and early 20s males - which is pretty much my guess, considering Eidos is ultimately owned by some huge faceless behemothGethsemani said:
I think people are being too hard on this trailer for showing a lot of action. Trailers do that. The issues raised are still interesting and DX-y.
All three games have similar endings; the only thing that jumps out at me is that the first game doesn't have a "purity" ending, while the other two do. Aside from that, blow everything up, pro-aug, and Illuminati each have their own ending in each game.Halyah said:
Huh. I don't usually think of the Illuminati in Invisible War as good guys. They're pretty shnarsty, nastier I think than they are in DX1 (not counting MJ12) or DX:HR. Granted, they're not as bad as the paladins, and the other two factions have their own issues. The best case I could make is that the Illuminati might be the least bad, but you can make that case is DX1 and DX:HR as well.Halyah said:
I hope this has the option of NG+. One of my very few problems with Human Rev was it's lack of NG+. I mean I still played through it 3 times but I sometimes in games I just like to run through and face-roll everything while being fully decked out.
Eh. As long as I get to be an adorable hyperintelligent shapeshifting freak, it's fine by me... XdKnight Captain Kerr said:
Human Revolution was pretty good, but after the disaster that was Thief I'm not going to be holding my breath for anything amazing to come from this since both games were done by the same studio.
That said however make it so that xp is tied to completing objectives rather than killing/subduing opponents to eliminate a lot of the imbalances HR had, add more non-lethal options and gadgets, and give us bigger more free form levels and I'll be intrigued. The technology should be there to do bigger levels by now and yet they only seem to be getting smaller and smaller. I'll gladly accept worse graphics if it means levels like the Statue of Liberty in the original Deus Ex again, that level was bigger and gave more freedom than anything HR provided and that was just the damned intro for Deus Ex.
I also still think it's pretty weird how this is ostensibly a prequel yet everyone's got better tech than JC did in the original Deus Ex, but now I'm just nitpicking. Hopefully this will be good.
We'll see.
That said however make it so that xp is tied to completing objectives rather than killing/subduing opponents to eliminate a lot of the imbalances HR had, add more non-lethal options and gadgets, and give us bigger more free form levels and I'll be intrigued. The technology should be there to do bigger levels by now and yet they only seem to be getting smaller and smaller. I'll gladly accept worse graphics if it means levels like the Statue of Liberty in the original Deus Ex again, that level was bigger and gave more freedom than anything HR provided and that was just the damned intro for Deus Ex.
I also still think it's pretty weird how this is ostensibly a prequel yet everyone's got better tech than JC did in the original Deus Ex, but now I'm just nitpicking. Hopefully this will be good.
We'll see.
DX:HR gave a lot of XP for objectives. You could shoot your way through it just fine. It takes 125 perfect takedowns to get a Praxis point over just shooting them - 167 if you're shooting them in the head.The Madman said:
This is actually kind of explained in Deus Ex itself. The Dentons are the first people to be augmented with nano technology instead of cybernetics. This means that they theoretically have more potential (think JC's regeneration) and are less conspicuous than their cybernetic counterparts, but cybernetics can do a lot more stuff that isn't just body modifications.The Madman said:
Adam can have blades in his arms, a built in cluster grenade launcher and a stealth field because these are machines that replaced his actual body. His bulletproof upgrade is quite literally bulletproof metals inserted into him. His radar is an actual radar implanted in his head etc. etc.
JC Denton on the other hand can make his own body bulletproof via nano augmentation. He can become as strong, if not stronger, than his cyber augmented peers just by applying the nanites to his arm muscles and so on. These aren't replacements for his body, these are augmentations to his existing body. I don't know about you, but that makes JC's augs much more high tech to me.
Oh I know it was minor, but it was there nontheless. I'd just prefer a system that didn't have xp points pop up across the screen after choosing to either kill or not kill some guy, instead allow the player to complete the objective however they choose and then award xp at the end based upon their performance and completion of minor sub-objectives... you know, like the original Deus Ex did. And then just like the original if you choose to go all lethal force on everyone's ass you can have the character get chewed out for it and people act accordingly.Pyrian said:
Hell, if the devs wanted me to get all giddy about the game they could add in multiple difficulties that would change the objectives. Maybe add in side-missions that would alter the course of how you play; Maybe one guy wants you to wreak havoc and kill people and is willing to offer some nice gear if you so happen to murder a bunch of sobs on the next outing while another wants a very specific item stolen but insists that no one is killed and is also willing to offer major money. That sorta stuff.
Just giving xp for killing guys and awarding more for one playstyle than another doesn't sit well with me for this kind of game. It's a personal preference but I don't like it. I don't like that is encourages you to do things you might otherwise not and discourages other playstyle (Like ghosting) entirely. Sure you can still try to do them but you're actively working against the intentions of the game devs at that point which is a bit of a bummer when the original game not only didn't discourage it but actively promoted thinking up unusual solutions.
The Madman said:
the whole idea of XP for not killing people was tied to the plot. Jenson was tured into a walking death machine but a large part of the plot revolved around the quastion "if you are agumented are you still a human". You can still get clouse to as much XP as with shooting stuff. I liked it because it made you think a bit about the plot instead of turning it into shoot everything and find stuff later, which 1 could be from time to time
Oh I know. The Dentons were the prototypes for a whole new style of nano-aug, that's their thing. I probably should have phrased it that you'd think you'd see at least a few people running around with the sort of insane shit Jensen can do in these prequels. Anna Navarre for example wouldn't stand a chance against Jensen and she's supposed to be a top-tier agent for an advanced high-tech group.Gethsemani said:
Gunter at least is always complaining about how he's going obsolete. That and picking fights with vending machines. Gunter was awesome.
So... If Taggart's ending is canon, then augmentations are restricted to the corporate sector, or handled by the corporate sector. Awesome. As in, not at all...
Oh, well. Here's another reason to stick to garnishing my PC upgrade funds.
Oh, well. Here's another reason to stick to garnishing my PC upgrade funds.
I never did finish playing Human Revolution. Honestly, when I start playing what I assume is a stealth game it's pretty jarring to be thrown into a boss fight where stealth elements are gone. "Oh, did you like moving around stealthily and using non-lethal options? Well fuck you!" To which I proceeded to say, "Fuck you too!". I guess I can go back and play it again, but I'd much rather play the Directors Cut. As for this new game, I may play it. I liked everything up until I had my stealth focused Jensen go toe to toe with the Terminator. What are the chances they'll outsource their boss fights again? Pretty slim I hope.
