Deus Ex- reject augmention

[x EvilErmine x]

From all of the trailers i have seen, this game is looking like it will be made of awesome. They are doing a good job of fleshing out the world of Deus Ex. I just hope the game can live up to my high expectations of it.

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No i would not get any augmentations unless i have no other alternative. My natural limbs are better than any augmentations. No they don't give me super powers but on the other hand they are mine and my body knows them and wont reject them leaving me dependent on pricy and dangerous drugs, my natural parts wont transmit info about me to anyone, and they can't be shut down remotely without me having any way to stop it.

 

[RadiusXd]

Hell to the addiction, you can work past that. It's the whole 'take the drugs or your body rejects the augmentations as if they were parasites' that kinda breaks the deal for me It's one problem to be addicted, it's another to need it to keep your augmentations.

The second video was genuinely unsettling.

It's also a "damned if you do, damned if you don't" situation.

If you don't take the drug, your body will reject it, with the central nervous system isolating itself from the augmentation, rendering it useless.

If you do take the drug to suppress the rejection and preserve the nerve-aug connection, you compromise your immune system and the nervous system's maintenance mechanisms. That makes you vulnerable, among other things, to the JC Virus [http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/JC_virus] (which pretty much everyone is already infected with), which causes Progressive Multifocal Leukoencephalopathy. There is no known cure.

that link you provided has a treatments section with a documented successful eradication of the JC_virus from a patient.
as a side note, I thought it was in-game lore with JC being the first games protagonist and all.

 

[Zing]

Honestly that live action trailer got me really excited for the game. The game's narrative could be up their with Bioshock on making you think. It was really good.

 

[BenzSmoke]

At first I was like "Oh they're like prosthetic limbs, made to help people."
Then I saw the second trailer and I was like "Shhhhhiiiiii..."

 

[Fiz_The_Toaster]

I might augment if I lost a limb or something, and that drug part kinda freaks me out a bit.

BUT, if I got a chance to do it for funsies, then I would totally get my eyes augmented. Think of all the fun that could be had with that!

 

[Imperium9990]

Yes I would definitely get augmented. The second video is just fear mongering propaganda, and by some of the reactions in this thread, it worked . Yeah the neuroprozine thing is a bit scary but at the beginning of the game they had already found out how to make it so that you would never need the drug.. Ever.

But even if I didn't know this I would still get augmented. I'd probably start off with getting an intelligence aug, memory aug, and maybe the social enhancer. The way I see it is yeah the drug is expensive but since I'd be augmented I'd already be ahead of most people. That means I have tons of job options, from accountant, security expert(computers), bouncer/bodyguard, as far as job opportunities go, if I'm sufficiently augmented the skies the limit, plus the social enhancer(personality readings, and pheromones ftw), would almost guarantee me a job. Provided that I applied in person.

So yeah it would be expensive to pay for the drug all the time, but I would probably have no trouble affording it. After I get my self settled I might get some more augs, like eyes, and arms. I think the argument of "giving up your humanity" is a stupid one. If by giving up your humanity, means being weak, and less capable. Then I'd give up being "human" any day.

Also what about the people with pace makers, artificial hearts, and prosthetic limbs today? They obviously haven't given up their humanity. Lastly if push comes to shove with the whole affording drugs things. I'll just go military. If I'm useful enough to them I'm sure they'll pay for my fix.

 

[Coldie]

that link you provided has a treatments section with a documented successful eradication of the JC_virus from a patient.
as a side note, I thought it was in-game lore with JC being the first games protagonist and all.

A single successful case (out of more than a hundred in that study alone) does not a cure make, although it is a good first step towards one. There's also recurrence to consider and the possibility of later stages of PML being irreversibly damaging.

Surely there has to be a better way to handle neuroimplants without this whole immuno-suppressing business. Come on Versalife, show us what you've got.

 

[Blackpapa]

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[RadiusXd]

that link you provided has a treatments section with a documented successful eradication of the JC_virus from a patient.
as a side note, I thought it was in-game lore with JC being the first games protagonist and all.

A single successful case (out of more than a hundred in that study alone) does not a cure make, although it is a good first step towards one. There's also recurrence to consider and the possibility of later stages of PML being irreversibly damaging.

Surely there has to be a better way to handle neuroimplants without this whole immuno-suppressing business. Come on Versalife, show us what you've got.

I'm not sure they ever did, in deus ex the lab scientists still don't know why JC's body tolerates the nanites.
while i recognize the two are very much different, the same principals apply. perhaps mech augs are less permeated throughout the body. and so simple immuno-therapy is enough. That is to say, teaching the immune system to ignore the augmentations without compromising the immune system.

 

[Fiz_The_Toaster]

I might augment if I lost a limb or something, and that drug part kinda freaks me out a bit.

BUT, if I got a chance to do it for funsies, then I would totally get my eyes augmented. Think of all the fun that could be had with that!

X-ray vision + changing rooms of opposite sex (or same sex if you like that kind of thing)= FUN!

Exactly! Screw cameras and hiding in bushes!

 

[kidd25]

well i did not except the thread to actually go this far. thanks for all your views and points on such a subject. its always fun reading what yah have to post keep it up.

: btw love, peace, and sub-machine guns

 

[imnot]

I want robot eyes!
They look sexy!

 

[GrizzlerBorno]

The second one seemed like fear mongering and propaganda. Yeah, you're gonna need more than fast cuts and electric guitars to convince me. Now give me my robot limbs!

How about getting you addicted to a Substance that you have to buy from them for the rest of your life? Will that convince you?

That's really the scariest part of trailer by FAR, that bit about the drug! I mean at first it glance it seems like a convenient little plot device to blame the corporations with...... but THINK about even a little bit and you'd realize that the corporation WOULD do it! Get you addicted to Immuno-suppresants I mean. They probably would not even TELL you. They'd just put it in the Fine Print; The "terms and conditions" that 98% of the people will skip.

Heck I could see Sarif Industries selling Augs for dirt-cheap. People would go "What? A robot arm for $500? HELL YEAH! Sign me up!" and they'd take a loss on that transaction (robot arms would have to cost thousands of dollars to manufacture).....but EVERY SINGLE CUSTOMER would be paying them 50 dollars a month for about 50-70 YEARS! Think of how much money that is!

That's not "evil". It's just good business...

...which in this case is downright fucking evil!

 

[Ranubis]

Hmmm, I've got to say I'm a fan of augmentation, and I think the second video is mostly hype, but...

I'd say the whole 'they can deactivate your limbs' thing is *probably* made up, but this being required to take a drug so your body doesn't reject the augmentations? Way to not be evil there,Sarif.

 

[Kenko]

I'd augment myself alot. Most likely me knee's due to them being a bit shit and im still young. Then likely one of my eye's would be augmented with better sight, zoom and stuff. Probably augment my right ear as well, it's a bit shit too. Definatley augment myself alot given that I could afford it all ofcourse.

 

[varulfic]

The second one seemed like fear mongering and propaganda. Yeah, you're gonna need more than fast cuts and electric guitars to convince me. Now give me my robot limbs!

How about getting you addicted to a Substance that you have to buy from them for the rest of your life? Will that convince you?

That's really the scariest part of trailer by FAR, that bit about the drug! I mean at first it glance it seems like a convenient little plot device to blame the corporations with...... but THINK about even a little bit and you'd realize that the corporation WOULD do it! Get you addicted to Immuno-suppresants I mean. They probably would not even TELL you. They'd just put it in the Fine Print; The "terms and conditions" that 98% of the people will skip.

Heck I could see Sarif Industries selling Augs for dirt-cheap. People would go "What? A robot arm for $500? HELL YEAH! Sign me up!" and they'd take a loss on that transaction (robot arms would have to cost thousands of dollars to manufacture).....but EVERY SINGLE CUSTOMER would be paying them 50 dollars a month for about 50-70 YEARS! Think of how much money that is!

That's not "evil". It's just good business...

...which in this case is downright fucking evil!

Thing is though, I'd probably still go through with it. I mean, if I had lost a limb it'd be no contest, I'd rather be dependent on an evil corporation than be a cripple. If it was just a superfluous upgrade, then I'd still seriously consider it. I could parkour to work every morning, or just impress my friends with superpowered piano playing. It'd be awesome. All I'm saying is as far as evil corporate schemes go this one isn't that bad, atleast you get superpowers out of it.

 

[GrizzlerBorno]

Thing is though, I'd probably still go through with it. I mean, if I had lost a limb it'd be no contest, I'd rather be dependent on an evil corporation than be a cripple. If it was just a superfluous upgrade, then I'd still seriously consider it. I could parkour to work every morning, or just impress my friends with superpowered piano playing. It'd be awesome. All I'm saying is as far as evil corporate schemes go this one isn't that bad, atleast you get superpowers out of it.

If you lost an arm? Yeah sure, I guess you'd have no better choice then getting a mechanical augmentation, since there aren't any efficient non-robotic arm replacements.

A Leg however? Why not just get those Aluminium leg braces? You know the one that that Olympic runner had, and thus caused a lot of controversy? You wouldn't be able to parkour, maybe....but as far as I know, it has no side-effects other than the obvious need for therapy. And it seems to get the job done as well as a normal leg, so why not just get that?

All I'm saying is: Is showing off to friends worth mandatory, life-long, economically-crippling (no pun intended) drug addiction? How impressed would your friends be when they find out huh?

 

[varulfic]

Look, I'm not gonna go into a deep argument with you about hypothetical financial dilemmas of a fantasy concept. All I know is superpowers are awesome, I would like to have superpowers because it's awesome, and I would go to great lengths to get superpowers because HAVING SUPERPOWERS IS AWESOME.

 

[Blackpapa]

Depends on how addictive the drug is. Is it some horrible μ agonist or similar? No thanks.

Otherwise why not? I see no reason why the drug couldn't be synthesized at a fraction of the cost elsewhere. It's much easier to synthesize pharmaceuticals than artificial limbs.