Developer Blames "American Culture" for Greenlight Ban

[kortin]

They ban this game because its too offensive, yet they sell The Witcher 2, which has full blown Sex scenes with near full frontal nudity, not to mention gratuitous violence... Hypocritical much?

I want this game to come out so I can play it JUST BECAUSE steam banned it now.

No, it's not hypocritical. The Witcher 2 is a full blown game with lots of content, and the fact that the sex scenes are hardly what anyone would consider to be "main content in the game". This game is a full on sex game. There's no bloody reason for it to be on steam, otherwise we'll get Newgrounds 2.0. If you really want to make your sex game, self publish, because (rightly so) you'll get refused by everyone.

 

[toapat]

Doesn't sound like a particularly compelling game but... I find it funny that a game where people are trying to improve their personal relationship to a point of a natural act that pretty much everyone experiences at some time in their life is "offensive". Yet games where people routinely maim and kill each other are not offensive.

Real life sex = normal. Game sex = offensive.
Game killing = normal. Real life killing = offensive.

Real Life Sex = Something that you have to work a long time at, because if you want anything from it other then sex, you have to do more then pay 2 grand

Ingame Sex = Take a look at the feminism arguments against porn. These are all fully legitimate in Videogames.

Basically, the problem isnt sex, so much as how sex is portrayed in games

 

[Fursnake]

And here I thought they pulled this game because it sounds stupid...like it was created by someone who really loves things like Twilight and 50 Shades of Grey.

 

[LadyTL]

I find it odd too how they glossed over they weren't going to get the votes to get on Steam even if it had stayed because half the people who voted for it downvoted it. I guess the Steam community too is a bunch of prudes? Or they made some really nasty assumptions about gamers and sex...

 

[DugMachine]

Good god that game looks like an awful piece of shit. Reminds me of those crap games Disney and Nickelodeon put out where you live the life of their TV shows except it's just shitty 2D worlds with text boxes and really awkward dialogue.

Maybe make a decent game that's not just some shit sex 'rpg' picture book.

 

[LightspeedJack]

Kind of disappointing how so many Escapist are coming down on the wrong side of the argument here. I'm not considering the gameplay or quality of the game here, sure it's probably garbage, but that's not the point. It's not porn with full penetration is it? you don't see erect cocks on every other screen? Game's should be allowed to have sexual content just like films are. Western culture in general just needs to not be so afraid of any kind of sexual content.

 

[kortin]

Kind of disappointing how so many Escapist are coming down on the wrong side of the argument here. I'm not considering the gameplay or quality of the game here, sure it's probably garbage, but that's not the point. It's not porn with full penetration is it? you don't see erect cocks on every other screen? Game's should be allowed to have sexual content just like films are. Western culture in general just needs to not be so afraid of any kind of sexual content.

It's a sex game. The basis of the game is on sex. Movies that have a general basis on sex are called...Porn! Just because a porn video has what can only be described as a "semblance of a plot" does not make it a movie, it's still porn.

There's an enormous difference between including sex in a game and building your game around sex (like this game). Including sex in a game is fine (see: Witcher 2, Mass Effect), but building your game around sex will just make your game the same generic sex game that you see on any porn site.

 

[Draxz]

Well its obvious that Steam wasn't offended by the sex, they were offended by how shit it was.

For what Valve are, I suppose they were expecting the head to be good... Nobody likes shitty head.

 

[LadyTL]

Kind of disappointing how so many Escapist are coming down on the wrong side of the argument here. I'm not considering the gameplay or quality of the game here, sure it's probably garbage, but that's not the point. It's not porn with full penetration is it? you don't see erect cocks on every other screen? Game's should be allowed to have sexual content just like films are. Western culture in general just needs to not be so afraid of any kind of sexual content.

There is plenty of GAMES with sex in them. Mass Effect, The Witcher, GTA, etc.. There difference is those were just games, not porn with a mini game in it. Also those games don't have explicit shots of vagina and penis and penetration.

 

[Froggy Slayer]

Maximize your relationship score with one of the four main female characters and you win the game, getting yet another erotic cut scene as a reward.

Women are a sex vending-machine; max our your points, put in enough friendship tokens and you get to have sex with them!

*sigh*

Wait, wait wait...this isn't how dating works? Damn, have I been doing it wrong.

 

[Right Hook]

Valve then sent another letter to No Reply Games explaining that this had nothing to do with a "prude american attitude", they said, 'We'd just prefer if if our customers didn't waste their money on junk.' Valve then urged potential buyers to 'just watch porn instead.'

 

[Kopikatsu]

Maximize your relationship score with one of the four main female characters and you win the game, getting yet another erotic cut scene as a reward.

Women are a sex vending-machine; max our your points, put in enough friendship tokens and you get to have sex with them!

*sigh*

They have VN/eroge for women where it's the same thing, except with a female protagonist and male love interests.

That's just the genre.

 

[Blood Brain Barrier]

Maybe they should focus on making like a actual real game then, not just a better looking version of those dodgy flash games you sometimes see advertised.

This. Props to Steam for gracefully saving the evenings of hundreds of pre-menopausal women (leaving more time to read crap like 50 Shades of Gray).

Maximize your relationship score with one of the four main female characters and you win the game, getting yet another erotic cut scene as a reward.

Women are a sex vending-machine; max our your points, put in enough friendship tokens and you get to have sex with them!

*sigh*

Not only was the game made by a woman, I'd be willing to bet all my sex tokens that over 80% of the audience of this type of game is female too.

 

[Daystar Clarion]

Maybe Steam have no problem with sex.


Maybe they just have a problem with terribly sexists dating sims that objectify women.

 

[cikame]

It's not exactly porn but i think a game like this belongs in a similar catagory.

The Sims is an example of a game that's totally acceptable with the way it displays close social relationships... Wuhbam, now you have a baby, circle of life etc...
But weird single minded dating game? The people playing this want it for the sex, so it's porn, and doesn't belong on Steam.

 

[Bindal]

The Witcher 2 is okay and though it's not focused on erotic stuff- it has perhaps way more sex and breasts exposed then this game has.

What if "Secude Me" had even more exposure and maybe even explicit sex-scenes in it? Because from what I could get from the descriptions, that's exactly what the game was about. No gameplay, just porn. Compared to that, Witcher 2 was probably still decent. Not mild, far from it.
Plus, as it was pointed out countless times, the sex was NOT the main-selling point of Witcher 2. It was far more a side-thing.

 

[Zerstiren]

I don't think Valve has a problem with the idea of a dating game; rather, they take issue with how No Reply conceptualized it. The game mimics reality-tv, a very shallow format which doesn't allow for any character depth. If it were allowed to float around in the Steam Greenlight discussions, the voters would have come to a similar conclusion. It would have set an inappropriate precedent for other game developers to focus on racy images and making small mentions of the taboo, without going in depth of whatever they're exploring.

 

[LadyTL]

I'm probably going to get scolded or quoted for this, but I think Steam handled this the wrong way. I may not approve of the Dev's game and it looks like it's meant to be erotic but I think it should of been allowed to stay on Greenlight and get discussed rather then just flat out removed and Valve (well not attacking but) getting on them with these rules of conduct. I would like to know how it was overall offensive and why like someone said, The Witcher 2 is okay and though it's not focused on erotic stuff- it has perhaps way more sex and breasts exposed then this game has.

This reminds me of that COD celebration where they invited a porn star, but then declined her invitation because heaven forbid the porn star make an appearance at a place where it's to show how many enemies you can gun down in a war-based game. Violence gets leeway all to much without people realizing it's as brutal or questionable as erotic stuff, even if it's mild teasing so to speak. You can do better Valve, you don't have to accept the game but don't freak out on us now.

Yeah, let's leave on those other fake games too for discussion...Wait that wasn't what Greenlight is for...Maybe they should have brought it up in the forums instead.

Also Witcher didn't have explicit shots of vag and penis and penetration that people could fap to. Witcher also had an actual GAME to go along with the sex which meant you usually don't just play the sex mini-game the entire time.

The difference here was Steam did not invite porn onto Greenlight, they just decided to show up and then got mad that people didn't want it.

Steam doesn't seem to mind sex in games but doesn't allow sex games. The two are not the same btw.

 

[LazyAza]

Well she's not wrong, America IS one of the most prudish nations on the planet where sex is demonized and violence is glorified far more often than in other cultures. Never really understood why but I suspect religion and very narrow minded views in general play a big part in it.

 

[jFr[e]ak93]

So it's a sex sim. This belongs on-line, not on a service. I doubt EB Games or Gamestop would carry this. Why should Steam not doing so be such a big deal?