Diablo III Launch May Get Messy

[Greg Waller]

It's going to be great.

And for the people griping about the online-only DRM...

 

[Greg Waller]

It's going to be great.

And for the people griping about the online-only DRM...

Go ahead and be happy with the game, I've little problem with it, but is this really the type of discourse you wish to engage in? Would you be fine with people going "sheeple gonna sheep" whenever someone likes something?

I don't think you realise just how thoughtless the statement "haters gonna hate" is.

And I don't think you realize just how silly you sound arguing this debate at all. You go ahead and strut and thrust your hips at the topic like you're really, really mad about whatever it is you're mad about, and I'll happily enjoy the game and the "DRM" and the plot and the characters and the story.

Cheers!

 

[Greg Waller]

And I don't think you realize just how silly you sound arguing this debate at all. You go ahead and strut and thrust your hips at the topic like you're really, really mad about whatever it is you're mad about, and I'll happily enjoy the game and the "DRM" and the plot and the characters and the story.

Cheers!

So it is the type of discourse you want to engage in.

Very well, carry on then. Continue in your righteous quest of telling people you don't give a shit about what they have to say. This is the best position to have on anything in a place for the exchange of ideas, truly and obviously.

Although it really puzzles me as to why you even have to announce this to people. If you really didn't give a crap, wouldn't you be going off enjoying yourself? Just a rhetorical question.

OOh, ok ok. No, it's fine. You would rather I tighten my belt, puff my chest and spout bullshit like:

Maybe... People want the game not to be online-only and are frustrated that it is?
And here we go again complaining about complainers. I thought during the ME3 deal people would've learned something.

Or like:

You know what the funny thing is? When asked why they're making Diablo look like a girl, Blizzard's answer was: "Diablo is not bound by our genders" or some shit to that extent. So if Diablo is not bound by our human bodies, why the fuck does he start resembling a chick after he possesses the walking retcon Leia?

Yeeeeaaahh NO. I'm not like you, I respect myself. Yes, I care that people are frustrated about what they claim to be "online only DRM." Yes, I think they're wrong and silly for thinking that there's some sort of corporate conspiracy to make the world's consumers into sheep. These people claiming that they "would have" bought the game if it had an offline single-player component is both ridiculous and stupid.

So yes, HATERS GONNA HATE. Me, and people like me, will go and enjoy the game regardless of the throngs of haters out there that think we're mindless zombies.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pIoZ1bsILF8

 

[Aeshi]

Wow. I want you to repeat this for me, because I have trouble believing this is your actual perspective. You think people are being ridiculous and stupid when they say they won't buy something that's needlessly, and overwhelmingly, restrictive? Really?

No, it's because said people seem to feel the need to swamp any thread with the words "Blizzard" or "Diablo III" with endless whining about it without making any points that haven't been done to death already or contributing anything intelligent to the discussion. If you're not gonna buy/don't care about Diablo III then why are you even in a Diablo III thread?

I've yet to see any Diablo III fans doing this sort of thing to Torchlight II/Path of Exile/Grim Dawn/whatever threads (probably because there don't seem to be any)

 

[Greg Waller]

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You're one of those "last word" types, aren't you. Anyway, here's what I make of this:

I come into this thread and post a jovial, non-chalant comment about how I anticipate the game to be great and then throw in a meme for good measure in an effort to nudge the folks getting their pants in a knot over the DRM to lighten up a bit.

But mostly I was reacting to:

If only the game weren't required to be online all the time -.-

and:

Blizzard is creating their own damn headache just to have complete control over customers. If they had a regular game with offline mode and reasonable drop rate that isn't manipulated to increase demand on their auction house, people could just play the damn thing without accounts or logins or all other sorts of corporate money grubbing bullshit.

I might not be giving them money, but the way they and others do business now just drives me nuts.

Which was right about where I stopped reading the thread.

To me, the conversation about Blizzard-Activision's DRM policy, the nature of Battle.Net, and so on, is absurd. The above two examples (by my estimate) should have been more than enough to earn your ire, based on what you said above. The first example, because cynicalsaint1 wasn't really bringing anything to the conversation table, as it were. The second because "[having] complete control over customers" is something you felt you needed to explain to me.

So something in my comment drew your attention and you railed against it. In your eyes, perhaps, my "haters gonna hate" comment is exactly the kind of internet drivel that your grand intellect is above.

I replied, pointing out examples of your own posts that were deconstructive, overly-critical, and downright feeble in terms of conversational value.

It's my firm belief that you came into this thread looking for a fight, and until you found my post, and my willingness to be trolled by you, you had been unsuccessful. Which is why I accused you of not respecting yourself.

You claim I have some sort of persecution complex. And maybe I do. I'm pretty sure I don't though. My original post makes two bold and clear statements:

1) I anticipate the game.
2) I think that people who don't like the "DRM" (notice the quotes) are haters, because they simply can't be happy for a) Blizzard's success, b) other player's enjoyment of the game, c) etc.

I don't see how that shows any complex at all.

But you, my friend. I'm going to put this out there, and it's probably going to offend you.

You have an inferiority complex.

Throughout this thread, you've sought adverserial conflict and now that I've made myself a target, you've started thumping your chest and playing subtle ad hominem attacks most likely in an effort to disguise your own subversive intentions. Oh, I'm completely aware my ad hominem was not subtle. Not even in the slightest.

Get a grip, pal. Seriously. Take a step back and go re-read your own antagonistic posts.

 

[Loop Stricken]

What happens when D3 gets old and the servers are shut down? That is the most disgusting thing here for me, Blizzard can literally disable ALL players' abilities to play the game as soon as the money stops flooding their offices.

Diablo 2's servers are still online.

 

[Nurb]

You claim I have some sort of persecution complex. And maybe I do. I'm pretty sure I don't though. My original post makes two bold and clear statements:

1) I anticipate the game.
2) I think that people who don't like the "DRM" (notice the quotes) are haters, because they simply can't be happy for a) Blizzard's success, b) other player's enjoyment of the game, c) etc.

d) Legitimate issues with their business practices as explained in the post

 

[Greg Waller]

Anyway, I'm done with you, troll. And not because I concede this conversation in any way, but rather, because if I continue this I'm positive I'll violate the codes of conduct on this forum, assuming I haven't already (which would probably be a stretch).

I feel sorry for you man. I really do. And that's me being completely honest.

 

[KiKiweaky]

There shall be many tears of rage when that game goes live and people cant play it.... the QQ on the forums is going to be of epic proportions :|

I heard you could make money from this game. How much could a guy do playing 8 hours a day, 6 days a week?

Depends really prices will probably be a bit mad when the game comes out, as soon as the markets stablise though I'd imagine you wont be making a whole lot of money off of the vast majority of items and if the new diablo is similar to the old one better items are nearly always available from drops, they didnt have set gears or tiers like most other games. It was completely random but a great way of keeping the gear interesting.

You may find as you nearly always will some nutter who will pay $60 dollars for a spear haha.

 

[zombiesinc]

I pre-ordered this game, have been waiting nearly a decade for it and now you're going to make me wait up-to 40 seconds? Maybe moar?!
[sup][sup]First world problems, curse you![/sup][/sup]

 

[Mick Myers]

These games often have a rocky start.

I have no idea if WoW expansions have smooth releases or not.

Somewhat ruined your point there, I feel.

Ah, people taking what is said out of context to attempt to "win" an argument. Never get tired of seeing this.

Maybe if you had actually read all of his response, and actually put some thought into your 'comeback' you would have a valid argument.

He did state he wasn't specifically speaking about other Blizzard games, although, if I remember correctly, they have had some rough starts as well. That argument aside, he does have a good point. MMO's with big launches DO tend to have a rough start. 'Old Republic' got shitted on, even with it's staggered launch, Starcraft II had a pretty rough go if I remeber correctly (which I believe is a Blizzard game, so kinda re-enforces why your argument was pointless).

Point here, these games tend to have a rough start, Blizzard announcing this ahead of time, and telling people how it will be handled is in-fact a GOOD thing. That should be the point here. They COULD just give a big 'Fuck You' to their consumers, and let us all spam the servers until they explode, they COULD not give a flying fuck about how the community reacts because they have your money already if you are attempting to log on, but do they? No. They are actually going to attempt to keep launch functional.

Seperate topic: I personally believe the "always on" DRM is bullshit, because it is their way of keeping control of the consumer, because you don't "buy" your game anymore, you don't actually "own" it, you are just borrowing it, the $60 cost being the collateral. But here's the thing, even if they decide you're done with the game, even if they decide it isn't worth running the servers anymore, they keep the money, even if you can't play the game simply because you do not have internet, they don't give a fuck, they have your money. If they can't get more money out of you (connection to the internet allows for a chance for you to use the RMAH) then they don't care about you any more. The only REAL reason that this "always on DRM" is being enforced, is because of the RMAH. Because, if you can't get online, and you can't even have the option of giving them more money, why the fuck should you be able to play the game that they created? (again, that is NOT my belief, I do NOT support the DRM, it is just my best explanation of why it actually exists.)

 

[Nerexor]

These games often have a rocky start.

I have no idea if WoW expansions have smooth releases or not.

Somewhat ruined your point there, I feel.

Ah, people taking what is said out of context to attempt to "win" an argument. Never get tired of seeing this.

Maybe if you had actually read all of his response, and actually put some thought into your 'comeback' you would have a valid argument.

He did state he wasn't specifically speaking about other Blizzard games, although, if I remember correctly, they have had some rough starts as well. That argument aside, he does have a good point. MMO's with big launches DO tend to have a rough start. 'Old Republic' got shitted on, even with it's staggered launch, Starcraft II had a pretty rough go if I remeber correctly (which I believe is a Blizzard game, so kinda re-enforces why your argument was pointless).

Point here, these games tend to have a rough start, Blizzard announcing this ahead of time, and telling people how it will be handled is in-fact a GOOD thing. That should be the point here. They COULD just give a big 'Fuck You' to their consumers, and let us all spam the servers until they explode, they COULD not give a flying fuck about how the community reacts because they have your money already if you are attempting to log on, but do they? No. They are actually going to attempt to keep launch functional.

Seperate topic: I personally believe the "always on" DRM is bullshit, because it is their way of keeping control of the consumer, because you don't "buy" your game anymore, you don't actually "own" it, you are just borrowing it, the $60 cost being the collateral. But here's the thing, even if they decide you're done with the game, even if they decide it isn't worth running the servers anymore, they keep the money, even if you can't play the game simply because you do not have internet, they don't give a fuck, they have your money. If they can't get more money out of you (connection to the internet allows for a chance for you to use the RMAH) then they don't care about you any more. The only REAL reason that this "always on DRM" is being enforced, is because of the RMAH. Because, if you can't get online, and you can't even have the option of giving them more money, why the fuck should you be able to play the game that they created? (again, that is NOT my belief, I do NOT support the DRM, it is just my best explanation of why it actually exists.)

Or, given how Blizzard has a history of providing support for their games far longer than most companies, they'll allow offline access should they ever feel the need to decommision the servers. You're also assuming the RMAH will even turn out to be profitable and the major source of income for Blizzard from this game. I'm pretty sure it won't be. The average gamer is far more likely to spend in-game currency rather than actual money they can spend on essentials like food, a stable internet connection, rent, and booze. (Yes, in that order )

It's not like every person who is going to be playing the game has huge wads of cash lying around in anticipation of buying online items. Blizzard is going to make most of their money on this the same way they do for every non MMO. $60 a pop and keeping the game in high demand so the price doesn't drop. And then expansions, also for around $50 a pop. Sure the RMAH may get them some gravy, but the way you put it they're all standing around a giant pipe just waiting for money to flow in from the RMAH, and into a swimming pool so they can dive in Scrooge McDuck style. It ain't gonna happen. They'll get a continual trickle for sure, maybe even a spike or two once people get to high levels and get some crazy gear, but the RMAH is not the real money maker, and is certainly not the only explanation for the DRM.

 

[gorfias]

I really was planning to buy this tomorrow just so I could try to keep up with those who are going to be all over it, but hearing they seem to be unready for launch just makes me say