DICE: Battlefield and Modern Warfare Aren't Competing in the Same Sport
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It doesn't matter what you think DICE, your game is going to be competing almost directly with Call of Duty simply due to the numerous degrees of similarity. It's nice that you say that you are making the game you want to make, but that doesn't exclude it from being compared to other games.
battlefield has always been a deeper more mature experience, saying so isn't bragging. Most people don't want a deeper more mature experience because that makes the game harder. For a game to be successful it has to be easy so players will buy it. Now COD has a lot of skilled players, and playing against them is hard, but so dose battlefield. What makes battlefield more challenging is the need to co operate to succeeds. COD is about aiming, battlefield is about coordinated movement over a large environment. This takes good squad leaders and patience. while COD takes fast reflexes and pixel perfect aiming.
What Dice is saying is they are not going to take sales away from COD by trying to mimic them but only better. Dice will make Battlefield into the game they have always made, only better. Now if COD added vehicles and squad leaders and generals essentially changing there game to resemble Battlefield. They would be competing in the same metaphorical sport. But I can't see either developer dumbing down, or sophisticating there product, they already have established clients who are dedicated to the styles which each is famous for.
And yes COD is a less sophisticated, twitchy, fast past action game, but so what. That doesn't make it bad, its the best twitchy action game franchise on the market. And Dice is there for when we want more depth. Because Shooting dudes just to shoot them just gets boring, and I need to capture a flag once and a while.
And finally neither game can legitimacy claim to be a military sim there both arcady action shooters compared with Project reality, or Arma games.
What Dice is saying is they are not going to take sales away from COD by trying to mimic them but only better. Dice will make Battlefield into the game they have always made, only better. Now if COD added vehicles and squad leaders and generals essentially changing there game to resemble Battlefield. They would be competing in the same metaphorical sport. But I can't see either developer dumbing down, or sophisticating there product, they already have established clients who are dedicated to the styles which each is famous for.
And yes COD is a less sophisticated, twitchy, fast past action game, but so what. That doesn't make it bad, its the best twitchy action game franchise on the market. And Dice is there for when we want more depth. Because Shooting dudes just to shoot them just gets boring, and I need to capture a flag once and a while.
And finally neither game can legitimacy claim to be a military sim there both arcady action shooters compared with Project reality, or Arma games.
Battlefield 3 is going back to a non regenerating health system for multiplayer, at least they should Bad company 1 had it so why not actual Battlefield?fi6eka said:
Not a bad idea, but unfortunately EA has the money to the PR and Marketing Departments.Raiyan 1.0 said:
I don't know, they look exactly the same to me.
Which means I will totally be getting them both. It is the year of the 3 after all. Man, I'm going to be so broke starting in September.
Which means I will totally be getting them both. It is the year of the 3 after all. Man, I'm going to be so broke starting in September.
Yeah, it was funny and all seeing CoDfans all butthurt... But they're right. CoD is a LOW REALISM modern shooter, whereas Battlefield has always been the midway point between arcade shooter and Mil-sim, sorta "Arcade Sim" (But don't tell that to Hardcore PC gamers. I Know because I am one, I feel I need to repent in front of my i7 box right now...)
You're right, Killzone is totally going to kill Halo!
Oh wait, different year.
Seriously though, they're just different games that scratch different itches. I prefer Bad Company (and Battlefield) over Call of Duty or Halo because I like big teams. Really big teams.
And I like vehicles.
And I like objectives.
And teams working together to complete an objective.
All of which, Call of Duty doesn't have. But, when I want a frantic, twitch shooter, you can bet I'll be playing Halo.
Oh wait, different year.
Seriously though, they're just different games that scratch different itches. I prefer Bad Company (and Battlefield) over Call of Duty or Halo because I like big teams. Really big teams.
And I like vehicles.
And I like objectives.
And teams working together to complete an objective.
All of which, Call of Duty doesn't have. But, when I want a frantic, twitch shooter, you can bet I'll be playing Halo.
Key difference in my opinion is that CoD is so limited in its attempt to be competitive that the basic mechanics aren't fun in themselves.
It is not fun to fire a weapon in CoD. It is not fun to see an enemy hit in CoD.
Whereas in Battlefield 3, every aspect of the game is made enjoyable and immersive. I can't wait to fire a weapon. I can't wait to shoot an enemy. I can't wait to blow down a wall. I can't even wait to just walk around and jump over ledges and what not. More importantly, I can't wait getting killed in that game. If a game can make it enjoyable to actually lose, or the events leading up to the defeat, it has won the grand prize of being "fun" in itself.
Even if you are terrible at shooting games, Battlefield 3 should prove entertaining. As much as I'd like Battlefield 3 to seize the throne which CoD holds, it does not have to, and frankly I can't see any game dethroning CoD any time soon. I do, however, hope Battlefield 3 does well enough to make some EA execs happy in their pants, so they won't do something incredibly stupid (, yet possible, this is EA we are talking about), as canceling the fucking franchise.
It is not fun to fire a weapon in CoD. It is not fun to see an enemy hit in CoD.
Whereas in Battlefield 3, every aspect of the game is made enjoyable and immersive. I can't wait to fire a weapon. I can't wait to shoot an enemy. I can't wait to blow down a wall. I can't even wait to just walk around and jump over ledges and what not. More importantly, I can't wait getting killed in that game. If a game can make it enjoyable to actually lose, or the events leading up to the defeat, it has won the grand prize of being "fun" in itself.
Even if you are terrible at shooting games, Battlefield 3 should prove entertaining. As much as I'd like Battlefield 3 to seize the throne which CoD holds, it does not have to, and frankly I can't see any game dethroning CoD any time soon. I do, however, hope Battlefield 3 does well enough to make some EA execs happy in their pants, so they won't do something incredibly stupid (, yet possible, this is EA we are talking about), as canceling the fucking franchise.
There both shooter but a sizzler and a cut of kobe are both beef and that doesn't mean much Battlefield has a lot deeper game play mechanics and requires teamwork Cod half the team is ignoring the objective or calling my a loser because I'm a lower level than they are, not saying there aren't dicks in Battlefield there are just less of them. They really aren't competing for the same audience sit a Cod guy in a Battlefield and see if he likes it odds are he'll think its slow and overly complex the Battlefield guy trying Cod will think its all twitch shooting and requires no strategy most people will pick one and stick with it. I'd get both just to play with some of my friends online but theres other games to pick up so Battlefield gets my cash.
First of all both games will sell well, and most FPS gamers will probably buy both.
Second of all you don't need to be a cynic to see the fangs behind the smile. Underhanded comments may attract some people, but frankly I wish these devs would just shut the hell up and make the games. I don't need them to hype the games for me, there are trailers for that purpose.
Second of all you don't need to be a cynic to see the fangs behind the smile. Underhanded comments may attract some people, but frankly I wish these devs would just shut the hell up and make the games. I don't need them to hype the games for me, there are trailers for that purpose.
It's kinda true - the games do compete in terms of player-base, but they're completely different in terms of actual multiplayer gameplay. They look the same and have basically the same plot and setting, so you could definitely understand why people always compare them to each other.
I always like when the Devs. Are more humble and reasonable then the Publisher, although I respect CoD for being a popular game that people enjoy, i'd rather stick with Battlefield.
Make a sequal to 2142, and then we'll talk DICE.
Honestly, you have two choices: Innovate or immatate. And if you want people to be sure you're doing the former, you have to out do them in every respect, so I'd advise leaving today's wars and focusing on tomorrows, that ought to get peoples attention.
Honestly, you have two choices: Innovate or immatate. And if you want people to be sure you're doing the former, you have to out do them in every respect, so I'd advise leaving today's wars and focusing on tomorrows, that ought to get peoples attention.
I dont know, this might be a tad glib, however I am left to ponder.
You point a gun at an enemy and shoot them before they shoot you or die trying. That sounds pretty much like the same sport to me.
I mean having or lacking specific features doesnt make either one of them any less of virtual bloodsport.
You point a gun at an enemy and shoot them before they shoot you or die trying. That sounds pretty much like the same sport to me.
I mean having or lacking specific features doesnt make either one of them any less of virtual bloodsport.
Not being a fan of either serie I'm in a 'outsider looking in' position here, and I gotta say to the uninitiated, both Battlefield and CoD looks exactly the same. Which one is copying which doesn't really matter... but yeah, claiming you are not even in the same 'sport' when you're both running samy-military shooter is a bit silly.