DICE Says No to Mod Tools For Battlefield 3

[pspman45]

if you don't let us mod, then we will do it without your permission
dicks

 

[Ninjamedic]

Let me run this through the bullshit translator.

"We're planning on ripping people off with map packs."

Hmm.

If I'm not mistaken weren't the Maps for the last Battlefield free? Or is hating on EA the new fad around here?

OT: As long as I don't see 32 players in a 12 player-size map I don't care. That ruins multiplayer for me. then again this is Battlefield so the maps should be vast.

 

[UberNoodle]

Yeah it sucks. Mods are great fun and extend the life of a game for consumers, but PC games WITHOUT modding tools far outnumber those with them. I'm not going to reach for the razor just because of this. Honestly though, I fear the day when something really (read: 'actually') 'bad' happens. The Net and the entire earth will probably explode.

 

[CD-R]

RIP Dedicated Servers
RIP PC Support Equality
RIP Mods

What more is just going away, "because it is too complex"?

They still have dedicated servers for Battlefield 3. Call of Duty is the one that nixed them. And also they've developed the PC version separately from the console version. As for the mods I don't know. I think if there's enough of an outcry they could eventually release them. Personally they should have been honest and just said "if we try to include mod tools this game will be in development for another 2 years".

 

[Still Life]

This is a shame. Mod communities make great games greater. S.T.A.L.K.E.R. and ARMA II are great examples of what a mod community can bring to a game.

 

[James Gordon]

It probably means they will release the sdk as dlc for around $15-$20......hope I'm wrong

 

[Still Life]

For one, it hasn't taken that long for them to develop the game, so obviously it's not all that time consuming. For another, not having mod support is the best way to force people to pay for new maps, etc.

I wouldn't expect anything less from a studio who have developed the engine tools in-house, more or less from the ground up, whilst concurrently developing a product. My understanding is that most mod tools people use have been developed into a much more user friendly and streamlined SDK by a developer.

Is it that much of a stretch to believe that the engine tools aren't ready for public use, and that DICE wants to focus on finishing and polishing one of the most anticipated games on time?

 

[dragongit]

Give modders enough time and enough tools, they can turn the game upside down and make it better then the developers ever could, and keep it fresh and alive for years to come. On top of that many mods are free, so its out of their own boredum and desire to show off that produces them.

Look at Oblivion, the game is 5 years old and has a still very active game that not only extends the life of the game but fixes any bugs that were present in it's launch. I can't wait to see what they do with Skyrim in due time.

 

[uppitycracker]

Battlefield 3 engine is too complex for mods, says developer.

Shouldn't that be for the modders decide?

Exactly. Let us decide if it's too hard or not. We're big boys.


Realistically, it makes sense. Can't sell custom maps for 15 dollars per 4 (expansion, lol)

 

[TheDooD]

Damn I was hoping for a Star Wars mod for Battlefield 3 too...

 

[Vibhor]

Wow. They really stuck with the "Not good enough" argument.
Seriously, just show them some mods for Daggerfall. That game was buggy, messy and internet wasn't even mainstream by then but still people managed to make at least 5 mods for it(I know not a big number)

 

[Dana22]

Its more like "EA says no to potential revenue loss on paid DLCs casued by Gamers ability to create their own maps and mods".

 

[DTWolfwood]

So the question is did BF1942 come with official Mod tools? and was all the awesome sauce mods i.e. Desert Combat, Forgotten Hope, made completely outside official SDK?

Seriously just sounds like a terrible excuse to me.

Its more like "EA says no to potential revenue loss on paid DLCs casued by Gamers ability to create their own maps and mods".

also that

 

[Littlee300]

Listening to EA?

You know what they say about people who make assumptions.

How dare you assume that was an assumption?
_________________________________________________________
There is already a boycott
http://www.d-gu.com/gamers-planning-a-battlefield-3-boycott/

 

[Throwitawaynow]

Well we were over this in another thread, it's a simple way to limit user generated content so you get to sell your own, remember they are owned by EA.

The only question is do they have the steel nuts to charge 15$ for 5 maps yet, like some other companies do...

Does BF3 get zombie modes? If it doesn't and they still charge 15$ which is the only reason to buy a map pack from....other companies.... they're SOL.

 

[Megacherv]

RIP Dedicated Servers
RIP PC Support Equality
RIP Mods

What more is just going away, "because it is too complex"?

Aren't there still dedicated servers and 64-man multiplayer for the PC version?

 

[NoNameMcgee]

Who cares? It's rare you see a half-decent mod for anything that can seriously compete with the quality of the developers. And thats just the games that actually have mods.. I haven't played a new game in over a year and a half that actually has any mods for it at all. Most games these days are either unmoddable, or nobody bothers to mod for them.

 

[A Pious Cultist]

http://forums.electronicarts.co.uk/battlefield-bad-company-2-pc/1350772-so-how-about-modtools.html
relevant as hell

 

[Dana22]

RIP Dedicated Servers
RIP PC Support Equality
RIP Mods

What more is just going away, "because it is too complex"?

Aren't there still dedicated servers and 64-man multiplayer for the PC version?

But there are no public server files. You cant setup a server on your own machine, you need to rent it from 3rd party.

 

[Canadish]

Battlefield 3 engine is too complex for mods, says developer.

Shouldn't that be for the modders decide?

Exactly. Let us decide if it's too hard or not. We're big boys.


Realistically, it makes sense. Can't sell custom maps for 15 dollars per 4 (expansion, lol)

This.

It's just orders from EA. They do this with all their big games now so that you have to buy their over priced DLC. Bioware started leaving out mod tools during and after Mass Effect 2 (First full fledged EA published title), and it's not like their engine is "too complicated".

Seriously. Exploiting your customers with DLC is killing the creativity of the community. Or its trying too anyway. Its not that a lack of mod tools have ever stopped them.
But it has made it more tricky.