Did ME3 ruin Mass Effect for you?
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I remember those first few days quite well. The people deriding the ending were much, much more reasoned and articulate than the knee-jerk fans yelling "You can't complain about this game! You're just a hater!" If that was really the case (as you described), we never would have gotten the EC in the first place. The outlets covering the story were on the fans' side more than Bioware - I read an article in The New Yorker, for instance, trashing Bioware's poor response to the reasonable fan outcry.Capitano Segnaposto said:
Sure, there were extremists (on both sides), but by and large, the people complaining about the ending were much better behaved than the people "complaining about the complaining". Anyone who says otherwise is either looking through rose-coloured glasses or just doesn't know what happened, period.
What ruined ME for me wasn't the story, though that was close, what ruined it is the fact that the best part of the game was the tacked on multiplayer. When a single player IP is eclipsed by the quality of it's hastily added multiplayer, it's time to abandon it.
It didn't happen at all like you put it, really.Capitano Segnaposto said:
Except for the constant strawmen and hyperbolic shit flinging. That happened pretty much exactly as you put it, so well done on that count.
Technically Mass Effect 2 ruined it for me. Mass Effect 2 wasn't one I could buy when it first came out since I was between 360 but I strongly disliked the direction ME2 took the franchise. I played the demo of ME3 and even though I have a Shepard from ME1 on my 360's hard drive, I don't plan on playing ME3 proper until I have it on the Wii-U. So when it comes to game-to-game saving, I guess you can say ME3 is the one wherein I stopped caring about that aspect of gameplay (which I think was supposed to be the main selling point of the ME sequels)
When it comes to Mass Effect 4 or, some new Mass Effect title that may or may not come into being; I'm taking it on a wait-n-see basis. It all depends on what Bioware comes out with honestly. I'd be all in on a space-combat sim based around the ME universe but another 3rd person shooter or, 1st person shooter isn't something I'd be interested in.
When it comes to Mass Effect 4 or, some new Mass Effect title that may or may not come into being; I'm taking it on a wait-n-see basis. It all depends on what Bioware comes out with honestly. I'd be all in on a space-combat sim based around the ME universe but another 3rd person shooter or, 1st person shooter isn't something I'd be interested in.
*sigh* wow, that's not going going to start a flame war.....CannibalCorpses said:
Suffice to say the reason why the MeE3 ending was so hated was twofold
1) Implementation. A lot of the game's canon (both stated and implied) was ripped up to work this ending in, and it still didn't work. The whole last 15 minutes was so full of plot and logic holes I'm amazed that no one at Bioware brought it up. The crux of this issue is that a Paragon Shepard could literally point out the Citadel's window at the Geth and Quarians and indisputably prove the Star Child's entire argument wrong. That should never be able to happen in the climax of a 100+ hour series. A good villain should at least be arguably right on one regard or another, but the Reapers are so stupid and ignorant at even the most basic level that they've practically become Saturday morning cartoon villains. You can't take them seriously, and that's inexcusable in a series so previously well grounded.
What's even worse is that even the Extended Cut DLC didn't fix this. Not only did Bioware do a second run of the ending, but they had 3 million fans telling them how to fix it, and all they managed to accomplish was more description of the results (which though genuinely appreciated, was more pandering than fixing). Bioware quite simply does not get the point of the problem here.
2) The Player. It seems a lot of the industry seems to forget the role of the player as the driving force of a game's evolution, but in Mass Effect's case it's a particularly big problem. The player is given quite a lot of agency over a lot in the game. They can choose Shepard's name, gender, looks, personality, fighting style, personal history, romantic involvements, and most importantly the fate of the galaxy. That's a lot of influence over the trilogy's narrative for one person to have and it has to be carefully considered, as with that amount of power the game becomes as much the player's as the developers'. Bioware did not even give this any amountthought. The ending of the series pretty much took that from the player and shits all over the amount of time and effort they invested in that story. That is one of singular most major mistakes that a game could do.
Yes the EC did try and fix that, but that's an after-the-fact bit of work for something that should have been integral to the game's ending (and like mentioned before, it wasn't even done that well)
So it all comes down to Bioware being ignorant of what they were doing. Trying to get this back OT, I could still buy another game from them (Mass Effect or otherwise), but until they have proven that they've learned from their mistakes, I simply can't rust them to deliver what they promise, so any game they release I'm damn well not going to get without a truckload of salt and some well trusted sources giving me a full recommendation (meaning they've played all the way through)
Since I refuse to play the third one, I guess you could say it's ruined for me.
I know going into it that it has a lame, totally hamfisted and stupid ending. I know that there's no meaningful resolution. I know that only disappointment waits at the end of the tunnel, so I choose not to go down it. I really enjoyed the first two games, but for me I guess the story will be left untold. I'll never get to save the galaxy and that makes me sorta sad.
Not as sad, as I would have been, however, if I'd paid $60 to be disappointed.
I know going into it that it has a lame, totally hamfisted and stupid ending. I know that there's no meaningful resolution. I know that only disappointment waits at the end of the tunnel, so I choose not to go down it. I really enjoyed the first two games, but for me I guess the story will be left untold. I'll never get to save the galaxy and that makes me sorta sad.
Not as sad, as I would have been, however, if I'd paid $60 to be disappointed.
I'd judge a new ME product without prejudice (wouldn't just buy it straight away), but the ME3 ending sort of left a bad taste in the mouth. Part of the series, for me at least, was making choices and imagining the consequences they'd have. They never did have consequences, and that saddens me immensely. If there were a new ME game, I'd buy it as a game on its own merits, and any overarching series-long promises would be disregarded entirely.
All it would have taken is a f***ing cutscene, honestly, and you'd only have the handful of people going "Wait...this makes no difference to the game" rather than every single player going "Wait...this makes no difference at all".
All it would have taken is a f***ing cutscene, honestly, and you'd only have the handful of people going "Wait...this makes no difference to the game" rather than every single player going "Wait...this makes no difference at all".
Yeah, it kinda did. It erased all of the good sides of ME story, now everything seems kinda pointless. I loved ME universe, because it used to be the blend of finest science-fiction ideas, with a nice amount of innovative and fresh ones. But then, ME3 threw all of that into a bin and became regular, ripping the worst parts off of others, and making some new bad ones. ME is over.
I've got to disagree with the need to analyse the plot holes. In the first one the reapers turn up and start a cycle that repeats every 10,000 years. The second one was the filler with no real storytelling value and then the third lets you resolve the issue of the 10,000 year repeat genocide. It's that simple to me.The Heik said:
All the story offers is an excuse to fight your way through various situations and should be judged as such. It worked, i was interested all the way to the end and when it all finished i sat back and thought i had enjoyed the experience. If there hadn't been good gameplay i wouldn't have got past the first game and the story would have been irrelevant. I think it boils down to what people wanted. For some, they didn't want the story to end at all and that colours their opinion on the ending. People like me realised it had to end and as long as it wasn't totally stupid it would be fine...which it was.
Flame war? Really? For having an opinion that flies in the face of what the sheep bleat? When i played the game i had heard so many people ***** about the ending i was expecting it to be crap. The negative hype people like you created around the ending made it enjoyable for me because my expectations were rock bottom. So i guess i should thank you for hating the game so vocally as to make it a worthwhile experience for me.
Nope, for me it was Mass Effect 2.
Their DLC bullshit got annoying for Dragon Age, but when I saw how much worse it was getting for Mass Effect 2 I didn't even bother buying it.
One day I may buy both 2 & 3 when they are both super cheap.
Their DLC bullshit got annoying for Dragon Age, but when I saw how much worse it was getting for Mass Effect 2 I didn't even bother buying it.
One day I may buy both 2 & 3 when they are both super cheap.
Nah, revamped ending fixed everything, though good luck topping the galaxy at war angle in future games lol.
3 was bad without the ending even being factored in, very generic and boring with little to no challenge unless on the max difficulty and even then they needed to surround me with banshees to get a kill. Of course 2 was what ruined the series for me, sloppy story building, removal of RPG elements and strategy elements in order to create a copy paste of any FPS you find on the market in piles.
Of course I'm basically done with Bioware altogether, they went from making games with no peers anywhere to making the same games everyone else already made years ago with their dead franchises skins as suits. They're boring and if they want to make games I can buy from everyone else I might as well buy them from anyone else but them.
Of course I'm basically done with Bioware altogether, they went from making games with no peers anywhere to making the same games everyone else already made years ago with their dead franchises skins as suits. They're boring and if they want to make games I can buy from everyone else I might as well buy them from anyone else but them.
Well I see a difference in the DLC issuesRose and Thorn said:
For Mass Effect 2, DLC is a couple missions most not 100% plot related, two characters that lack conversations with dialogue choices.
Mass Effect 3, DLC is a fucking Prothean, a VERY important member of the progenitor species who has dialogue choices and obvious plot relevance. Adding the Prothean to game literally literally takes the simple editing of one line of code.
It's the little things that get me, the Pre-Order bonuses, the Promtional in game items, the facebook shit, all the weapon and outfit packs. Throw in the buy new or pay for it day one DLC, like Cerberus Network and From Ashes and you get giant mess of stuff that should be in game for free or all put together in a larger expansion pack that ANYONE should be allowed to buy. When I buy a game I don't want to feel like my game is missing items and content that should be in it, but isn't for silly reasons. That reason being money, EA wants more money.Lovely Mixture said:
So no, I don't see a difference in the DLC between the games, they are both bullshit and greedy. I am not saying Mass Effect 3's Prothean DLC isn't the worse one. I am simply saying it is all bad and none of it should be happening. I simply realised this at Mass Effect 2, which came out before Mass Effect 3.
No. With the exception of the last moments of Mass Effect 3 I loved it. My favourite game of the year so far.
And to beat it I think DOA5 will probably need a real life Tina Armstrong for me to say its better.
And to beat it I think DOA5 will probably need a real life Tina Armstrong for me to say its better.
No ME3 didn't ruin anything for me. Cant understand why people say that it ended bad? I think it was the best ending it could have gotten, and as always I look forward to whatever new stuff they release no matter if it will be DLC or a brand new game. And no I don't see a point to bitching about the fact that you actually have to pay for the new DLC. Why wouldn't you. Bioware earned ALOT of goodwill by releasing all those other DLCs free of charge.
I see what you're saying now. It is shameless advertising at the expense of the consumer.Rose and Thorn said:
No arguments there.Rose and Thorn said:
Indeed. I was merely saying I found small trivial DLC (3 new weapons, woo-hoo) forgive-able as opposed to huge chunks that were removed from the game.Rose and Thorn said:
But what you've said is right and has convinced me, I shouldn't try to differentiate between what is justifiable or not.
Expansions OK, DLC not-OK.