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thebobmaster

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A quibble, I didn't think Eli Damaskinos took over after Deacon Frost, I thought Damaskinos was always in overall charge of the vampires, and Frost was just a lesser leader of a particular group of vampires, that the council in the first film was the council in charge of a certain region, not overall.
Damaskinos specifically cites Deacon Frost's death as opening up a vacuum that he filled, so it may not have been a direct thing, but it was a situation he took advantage of at the least.
 

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Damaskinos specifically cites Deacon Frost's death as opening up a vacuum that he filled, so it may not have been a direct thing, but it was a situation he took advantage of at the least.
He does? I thought he was citing him as a problem that would have to be dealt with, not a problem to his leadership ambitions. Frost explicitly wasn't in charge of the majority of the vampires even shown in the first film, and resents it.
 

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Must have misunderstood his point, then. I assumed he was talking about a power vacuum when thanking Blade for dealing with Deacon Frost, but your interpretation makes more sense.
 

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Night Teeth

Hey, I wonder what Lucy Fry from Vampire Academy did after that...hmmm...another vampire movie which had potentially but totally failed to stick the landing.

They were going for a Vampire:The Masquerade/John Wick sorta thing,and got some of the look right, and some of the performances were pretty decent, but missed the everything else. Shame.

Why did they have to randomly stick a cult of vampie hunters with crossbows in? I mean, everyone does, but that's no excuse. Vampire Lucy Fry has super speed a couple of times, but then doesn't use it when confronted with humans she's fighting? Grrr.

Could have been so much better.
 

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Ratatouille, 8/10

Somehow this was the one movie from Pixar's golden age that I'd never seen sans Cars. It's become probably Pixar's most lastingly impactful film from their initial run right alongside The Incredibles due to all the memes being made about it. Watching it now it's kind of surprising how ahead of its time this film feels: it's very relaxed, incredibly wholesome, and all the conflict in the film is driven by just people being people. There's no big villain, no final battle, no good triumphing over evil. Yeah the short chef is an antagonist, but he's not outright malicious or some monster. It's more about overcoming your prejudices and accepting new and unusual things. This kind of story didn't become the norm with Disney until like a decade later, so Ratatouille was really ahead of the curve.

"Wholesome" really is the word that encapsulates this film the most. While there are plenty of old school Disney-isms present like disapproving parents, the main character wanting more out of life than their lot, and a plucky underdog proving themself through determination, they're all presented with a lot more nuance than you'd expect: Remy does clash with his dad, but despite their differences they still love each other, and the dad isn't outright dismissive of Remy's talents, just a bit tunnel-visioned in how he sees their application. Remy's move to Paris isn't presented as leaving some shitheap behind, but more as him being allowed to really be who he wants to be. No character or situation feels unreasonable or caricatured. The movie just oozes love and passion for food and cooking. I can totally see why this enjoys a classic status.

Whatever criticisms there are are minor: the love story is very underwritten, but isn't even focused on enough for me to be that bothered about it. A couple of elements do seem to come out of nowhere, like Linguini's apparently phenomenal roller skating skills (felt like an element that maybe had more setup earlier in production but got cut), and Remy's sudden pettiness at Linguini throwing him out. The texturing and models are obviously dated, but the movie has so much old school Disney charm and the animation is so lively and energetic that you hardly think about it. All in all a well deserved classic.
 
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El kiosco (The Kiosk)

A middle-aged man decides he's tired of his financial stability and quits his job to buy and run the crummy little kiosk he used to frequent as a kid, only to find out a month later that the previous owner conned him and the street will be closing to traffic, killing the business. He tries to cut his losses and con the next sucker into buying the place (there's one born every minute) but in the brink of success decides to take the moral high ground and take the loss - triggering the happy ending where a school randomly opens up directly next to the kiosk. Good for him. The movie came out in 2019 and realistically Mariano would've been out of business four months into 2020, so the message that "eating dick gives good karma" doesn't quite land.
 

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Yeah, some of the action scenes ran the risk of going on too long and getting OtT, but not as bad as in the third.

(A quibble, but it was shotguns, not assault rifles, loaded with dragonbreath)
 

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Yeah, some of the action scenes ran the risk of going on too long and getting OtT, but not as bad as in the third.

(A quibble, but it was shotguns, not assault rifles, loaded with dragonbreath)
Good catch, fixed it. And 3 was the weakest in the series, IMO. It wasn't even the length of the action scenes, they just felt so random a lot of the time.
 

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Ratatouille, 8/10

Somehow this was the one movie from Pixar's golden age that I'd never seen sans Cars. It's become probably Pixar's most lastingly impactful film from their initial run right alongside The Incredibles due to all the memes being made about it. Watching it now it's kind of surprising how ahead of its time this film feels: it's very relaxed, incredibly wholesome, and all the conflict in the film is driven by just people being people. There's no big villain, no final battle, no good triumphing over evil. Yeah the short chef is an antagonist, but he's not outright malicious or some monster. It's more about overcoming your prejudices and accepting new and unusual things. This kind of story didn't become the norm with Disney until like a decade later, so Ratatouille was really ahead of the curve.

"Wholesome" really is the word that encapsulates this film the most. While there are plenty of old school Disney-isms present like disapproving parents, the main character wanting more out of life than their lot, and a plucky underdog proving themself through determination, they're all presented with a lot more nuance than you'd expect: Remy does clash with his dad, but despite their differences they still love each other, and the dad isn't outright dismissive of Remy's talents, just a bit tunnel-visioned in how he sees their application. Remy's move to Paris isn't presented as leaving some shitheap behind, but more as him being allowed to really be who he wants to be. No character or situation feels unreasonable or caricatured. The movie just oozes love and passion for food and cooking. I can totally see why this enjoys a classic status.

Whatever criticisms there are are minor: the love story is very underwritten, but isn't even focused on enough for me to be that bothered about it. A couple of elements do seem to come out of nowhere, like Linguini's apparently phenomenal roller skating skills (felt like an element that maybe had more setup earlier in production but got cut), and Remy's sudden pettiness at Linguini throwing him out. The texturing and models are obviously dated, but the movie has so much old school Disney charm and the animation is so lively and energetic that you hardly think about it. All in all a well deserved classic.
I have to say I always hated Linguini's voice acting. He sounds like a nasally annoying side character, rather than a main one. The fact that he's also the same guy who voiced the dickhead teacher in The Incredibles was also something I couldn't unhear.
 

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I have to say I always hated Linguini's voice acting. He sounds like a nasally annoying side character
I'm of the opinion that, well, he IS an annoying nasally side character. Remy is the main character; but sadly Linguini is his fucking flesh-mech suit so we're stuck with the asshole.
 

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I'm of the opinion that, well, he IS an annoying nasally side character. Remy is the main character; but sadly Linguini is his fucking flesh-mech suit so we're stuck with the asshole.
Yeah, but we're still supposed to engage with his character beyond his nasally annoyance. Like his romance with whatsherface, his frienship with Remy, and his "rivalry" with Skinner, which is hard when I can't stand his voice all too much.
 

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Yeah, but we're still supposed to engage with his character beyond his nasally annoyance. Like his romance with whatsherface, his frienship with Remy, and his "rivalry" with Skinner, which is hard when I can't stand his voice all too much.
Cosette was the woman from memory, and Linguini was punching so fucking far above his weight there it wasn't funny.
 

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Cosette was the woman from memory, and Linguini was punching so fucking far above his weight there it wasn't funny.
Name any Western animated movie where that isn't the case. Linguini, Milo (Atlantis: The Lost Empire), Max (A Goofy Movie), Delbert Doppler (Treasure Planet)... So many cartoons where goober dudes end up with hot girls.
 

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Name any Western animated movie where that isn't the case. Linguini, Milo (Atlantis: The Lost Empire), Max (A Goofy Movie), Delbert Doppler (Treasure Planet)... So many cartoons where goober dudes end up with hot girls.
Milo and Delbert were both educated men of good character; they may not have had worldly experience at the time but they get there. And its worth noting that Roxanne and Max are not together in the sequel but that's teenage romance for you.
 

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Milo and Delbert were both educated men of good character; they may not have had worldly experience at the time but they get there. And its worth noting that Roxanne and Max are not together in the sequel but that's teenage romance for you.
I'd throw in Wall-E and EVE into the Milo/Kida and Delbert/Amelia romance spectrum.