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The movie does include that scene with Bob's friend. It actually is one of the things that bumped my rating up to 5 stars, because it showed that the movie still knew when to slow down and just have a strong character moment. And a lot of the stuff with Johnny's mom is more background stuff, since she only shows up in the hospital in the movie. I read the book, but it's been at least 20 years.
Lois isn't angry at Superman for acting out of character, she's angry about the ethics of brute forcing his way into a foreign country, violently meddling in their affairs and muscling and torturing someone even if it's the bad guy.
It doesn't matter if this is all more in character for Hawgirl or Guy, my point is that it's the same ethical dilemma as before (but worse, because Hawkgirl actually murders an unarmed man) yet it's not given the same moral scrutiny.
I don't have any moral qualms about good guys in movies being loose cannons, what bothers me is the contradiction of making this the cornerstone of Superman's crisis and the movie's unsubtle commentary on the genre, yet randomly celebrates lesser characters for doing the exact same thing.
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Well, my guess is Hawkgirl doesn’t get the same scrutiny because when she and Gardener go and do their thing, they presumably asked permission to do it and most critically, it may have been after it was revealed that Lex and the Borovian president’s collusion to drive their neighbours out and steal their land which should engender an interventionist response. It’s just the intervention was a Green Lantern and his crazy winged pal.
There’s also the distinct possibility that Lois didn’t know, nor was given the opportunity to ask Hawkgirl those same hard hitting questions. Although based on her characterisation in the movie, I imagine Kendra’s responses would all be some variation of “Fuck off, I don’t care” or the evergreen “No comment”
I think whatever in-universe justification exempts every superhero but Superman from ethical scrutiny doesn't make up for the plain fact that its messaging and hand-wringing falls flat and goes nowhere.
I mean what's the movie saying, don't go beat up bad guys without your government's blessing unless we're in act three?
It's not even like in MoS where it comes down to breaking Zod's neck or watching a family get lasered. The Putin expy posed no personal threat. He's just some shmuck running for his life at that point in the movie.
I guess it kinda goes with the territory. Catwoman up and shoots Bane after Batman goes to extreme lengths to preserve his moral compass. But at least the crux of that movie wasn't built around whether killing mad bombers is ok or not.
Not to mention, being controlled by Lex like a fighting game character.
Honestly, it's wild to me to complain about Superman being underpowered in a movie where he recovers from injuries by sitting in sunlight for a few seconds and literally escapes the pull of a blackhole by blowing really hard.
Well, I think it's less about the morals behind the act and more the larger implications, ie "is man I've given a key to my apartment going to go full Homelander/Omniman on the world" (she does back off after his "people were going to die!" exclamation).
Plus, as far as the Justice Gang goes, them saving the day is significant in a dark way, because the main issue behind them and Superman is that the latter is a freelance independent, while the former is owned by a billion dollar corporation. Thus, the only people 'allowed' to affect global policy are large countries and large corporations (it should be noted that Lex selling weapons to the country was known by literally everyone, the thing that foiled him was the land snatch). I hope we'll see consequences from it later on.
EDIT: Also, I quite liked Krypto and was really surprised how crucial to the overall plot he was.
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Superman (2025) 10/10
Quick, spoiler free review; kind of loved this, even with a 30 min delay to the screening due to sound issues. Probably the closest thing we'll get to a live action version of the DCAU/Timmverse or whatever you call it, and will probably be the biggest turn off for people. Movie is a bright red ball it is so not edgy, this is a Superman who strives to save the bad guy/monster, plays with kids, and saves the day so absolutely it would be shocking compared to the end of Man of Steel. I'm pretty sure The Incredibles has a higher body count than this film (and I love that).
Only issue I have is that it honestly could have been 30 mins longer so we could have more scenes with the Kents (Ma, Pa, and even Clark, who only has like a single scene at the Daily Planet).
Quick, spoiler free review; kind of loved this, even with a 30 min delay to the screening due to sound issues. Probably the closest thing we'll get to a live action version of the DCAU/Timmverse or whatever you call it, and will probably be the biggest turn off for people. Movie is a bright red ball it is so not edgy, this is a Superman who strives to save the bad guy/monster, plays with kids, and saves the day so absolutely it would be shocking compared to the end of Man of Steel. I'm pretty sure The Incredibles has a higher body count than this film (and I love that).
Only issue I have is that it honestly could have been 30 mins longer so we could have more scenes with the Kents (Ma, Pa, and even Clark, who only has like a single scene at the Daily Planet).
Yes and no. Guy Gardner can have his power to do anything removed at the whim of someone who is decidedly not part of a corporation. In fact my biggest dangling thread of interest is how his actual bosses feel about him being part of something like the Justice Gang.
Or having his entire lungs and every orifice in his head, including his eye sockets, crammed with nano gunk, and walking away from it. Best action scene in the movie, by the way.
He holds up a giant godzilla foot, a giant godzilla corpse, and a falling skyscraper, but because none of those actions are destructive I guess it's seen by some as underpowered.
But he never wins playing foul. they just get like 5th or whatever and it's not even pitt it's the kid.
Yeah I thought he'd get fridged after the opening.
For the record I think both Lois and Superman are right in that interview, Lois moreso in real life. I just thought it was rather disingenuous to get a little too real about political interventionism in a movie that gets increasingly simplistic with time and ends up not caring about it.
I don't mind a discussion of politics. Even if it's not done the best. At least he wasn't afraid to bring it up, similar to Superman vs. The Elite. Just because Lois is correct, doesn't make it exactly right. Especially when you have somebody like Luthor involved, and was trying to buy out the country for his own personal agenda, and nefarious schemes. It's no good for anyone, except for those that like abusing their power or like sucking Luthor's dick.
I haven't seen Superman, so I can't comment on any of the politics of it. All I can say is that having watched a superhero movie not all that long ago that seemed to go out of its way to not say anything political despite literally being called Captain America: Brave New World...I'll probably very much take misaimed political messaging over nothing at all.
I mean, James Gunn did it in his previous movie, too. 'Look, America is using a country in South-America for some shady shit, and doesn't care about (foreign) civilian casualties so long as no evidence leads back to them.'
Thank you. Not to mention, he dealt with politics in Guardians 3. Inhumane experimentations of animals and people. Science with no rules and no boundaries. Sure, it's all in space, but the same still applies.
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