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Andor Episode 4. Some of the best looking Star Wars content to date. But man, what fucking dumb heist plan.
 

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I don't have a problem with the ultimate end result. The original ending is purposefully bad, it's not like I wanted any of that to happen.

But now we're left with a shit ton of questions. Like why the fuck is Titania even still here? Bruce was completely erased from the scene, so why did Titania still show up in this new ending? Does she like Jen all of a sudden? Is this girl power? Did she just want something to make a TikTok out of? And why has Blonsky just been lying to Jen about being reformed? Or at least, why does he go out of his way to help her in a previous episode only to have been involved in a plot to kill her? Is he really that dumb that he didn't understand what Intelligencia is about and was unwittingly serving as a life coach to people who hate his friend? Did the whole blood stealing thing not happen anymore? Even though it was explicitly said that exposure to Hulk blood would kill any other human being?

Like Mooney on the Escapist review said, Jen's changes to the ending are all superficial. Todd should have taken the serum, gotten horribly disfigured, and gone to jail. Maybe Jen could have even saved his life, to make sure he gets prosecuted to the fullest extent. The dude who actually slept with Jen and SEXUALLY HARASSED HER should have gotten his due justice. Titania should... just not be there. Blonsky should have picked a lane. Either be a villain or a clueless dipshit. Jen should have had a courtroom scene where she sues the absolute shit out of Intelligencia, gets her job back to the chagrin of the old dude who hired her, and is redeemed in the public eye.

Or you know, just whatever. But just have something. We don't have any idea how any of the conflicts in this episode were resolved, and while I could forgive that if it just meant skipping out on a big CGI fuck fest, that is a horrible way to resolve a woman being sexually harassed, publicly shamed with revenge porn, and forced out of her professional career.
I agree all of those are hanging questions, but they could have all been solved with 2mins of extra ending. Just have Josh I think was his name also arrested, the beginning of a court case, Jen taking up a job with Matt in Hell's Kitchen and Titania getting efamous. Todd I don't think should have hulk powers, it undermines Hulk and She Hulk and like Jen said, the powers aren't the enemy, Todd is. I like the way they did it, Jen saying the blood plot was stupid and repetitive and too much like super soldier serum(which was a nice nod to the fact in comics Bruce was trying to recreate the super soldier serum when he got blasted by gamma rays), so they just deleted the blood plotline. That was my take away at least. Just retconned it out of existence. Which I will grant does make several episodes unneeded, which even though it was purposefully written to be sloppy, is still sloppy writing.
Blonksy always came off to me as a clueless dipshit, even in the hulk movie. Like he's abomination, but also pretty fucking stupid just brainpan wise.
I get your point and 100% agree, Im just not as bothered by it. I think in season 2, Daredevil or World War Hulk they'll add a throw away line or two and have it all sealed and done with.
 
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Yes, it does.

The clip occurs towards the end of the season in the 2036 timeline. By this time, Evelyn's been built up as a sociopath in the 2022 timeline, and in the 2036 timeline (which is when this clip takes place) has been established to be still be running Umbrella, and just as sociopathic. In this context, Jade has to give herself up to Umbrella or else they'll destroy the ship her faction is on.

So when Jade enters Umbrella's command tent (as seen above), it catches both her and the audience offguard when Evelyn does, well, what you see above. It's later revealed that Evelyn by this time is being controlled, literally, by Billie, using a combination of electrodes and drugs. Evelyn is the 'face' of Umbrella in 2036 (when she allows herself to be seen), allowing Billie to run things behind the scenes. So from a narrative standpoint, it's a complete mindscrew for both Jade and the audience. In a character standpoint, it's catartic to see Evelyn brought so low.

Is it bonkers? Yeah. But there's far more going on than just "lolz, randomz!" I mean, the lyrics themselves reinforce the point ("thinking about the way I was before.")
When I think Resident Evil I think impromptu girlpop musical numbers.
At least the other girl reacts appropriately.

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Abbott Elementary - 7/10

I just binged all of the show that's currently out, like 12 episodes for season 1 and I think 3 for season 2. It's very much like an Office or Parks and Rec set in a school. The characters at the start a bit too cliche of characters you've seen in the Office or Parks, it was kinda cringe how they had the main character and the one guy be super obviously Pam and Jim in the first few episodes (even the guy giving similar facial expressions and everything). They are still a little too much archetypes of those characters though. The show overall just feels so much like a comfort show, I had a head cold for a few days and it was like the perfect thing to watch while drinking some hot tea with honey. The jokes are overall solid but have never reached the pinnacle of Office/Parks and the characters overall are more human in character vs having such extreme personalities that they feel more like people.
 

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I am surprised at the more or less pleased reviews for the She-Hulk finale.
I enjoyed the 1st episode and the 8th. The rest of the were not good but seemed to be adding up to something.
The finale was an admission that, yeah, the season long story arc sucked. They did it in a clever way based upon the sort of thing I've heard came out of the 1980s comics. But if your final episode is telling the audience that all of those 5.5/10.0 scores they gave your show at IMDB were merited, that is going to really piss off most people, including me.
 

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The Sinner. Series 1 and 2 were decent, but the protagonist is S3 is impossible to sympathise with and it made it drag. Imagine being driven mad by philosophy! Just get a hobby you dweeb!
 

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Avenue 5 - Episode 1 - the funniest thing I've seen in a long time

Hugh Laurie plays a captain (in name only) of a massive cruise ship in space when something obligatorily goes wrong and hilarity ensues. It has a bunch of humor along the lines of the public relations guy saying "if it's any consolation, he had very few loved ones" when all the passengers see a dead crew member floating in space.
 

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The first episode of the 2002 Bird of Prey TV series.

Verdict: Late 90s early 2000s and hell and kinda great in a dumb way for it.

For various reasons DC kept messing with the show and saying they couldn't use certain stuff or had to change stuff from the comics.


Basic premise. Bruce Wayne has left Gotham and no-one knows where he's gone after the events of "The Killing Joke" due to not wanting his actions as Batman go lead anyone to be harmed ever again. The Joker is no more (it's somewhat implied he was given the death penalty and executed) and it's years on with Barbra Gordon teaming up with Helena Kyle the secret daughter of Selina Kyle and Bruce Wayne that Bruce never knew existed until Joker killed her mother just before doing the events of the killing joke went down.

So Helena Kyle is Huntress but not the crossbow shooting huntress of the comics this version basically has the powerset of Vixen. In comes Dina Lance who unlike Black Canary in the comics this version is a psychic powered teenage girl who has been having psychic visions of Barbra and Helena.

The oddly most interesting thing it does is present a version of reality where Harley Quinn fell for the Joker but she didn't snap and become a sort of force of chaos but well more into the calculating working from the shadows kind of villainy where she puts in a respectable from while carrying out her (and its hinted aiding Joker in his) plans
Following on from my previous post.

Watched the full series of Birds of Prey

Rating: 7/10 overall due to it being somewhat inconsistent in episode quality from some real impressive risk taking ones that honestly would be up there with some of the best comic storylines to some absolute filler episodes that felt really kind of weak.

(Own copy)

So some corrections:
The Joker isn't dead but he's been moved to some super high security prison implied to be Belle Reve.
It wasn't the Joker who killed Helena Kyle's mother but some-one the Joker hired to do it.
Huntress doesn't have Vixen's powers she actually is a "Half metahuman" (don't ask I thought it was binary you either had powers or didn't and that means it's implied that Catwoman is a Meta Human in this continuity).
Dina Lance is not Black Canary.

Thoughts on the series:
This really does feel like a pure example of Late 90's / Early 2000's TV for better and worse as you can see the budget stretching in places but it's kinda good still it's just got a DC coat of paint on it.
You can really see some of the meddling on show though as they sometimes get to use known characters (Black Canary & Clayface for example) and sometimes lesser known characters (Lady Shiva anyone?) and then other times you feel like they kind of wanted to use some-one like Nightwing or other characters and were told no by DC so you have new characters called things like Darkstrike turn up. I'm somewhat impressed as to what they were allowed to get away with doing on the show by DC as well it's weirdly both restrictive in places very obviously but so fine with doing stuff that even in the past DC comics would have undone within the year if it were done in comics.
Also holy crap is Mia Sara a good villain in this. This very much isn't the Harley Quinn people are used to whose slightly zany but often easily dealt with. This is what if Harley Quinn actually truly embraced her own intelligence and abilities rather than just being the mad clown chick. Cunning, pretty ruthless, still devotedly in love with The Joker and dead set on revenge for the city she blames for taking him away from her. She uses being a psychiatrist as a cover and also for personal enjoyment as she uses knowledge of psychology to manipulate her patients into committing crimes or having psychotic breakdowns.

It's a shame it only got 1 season as I'd love to see where the show would have gone with things especially as Dina is technically also the daughter of a DC hero (you can probably guess which one)
 
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Hot D ep9

Largely felt like a transitional episode. Lots of reeling from last episode, lots of setting up the finale. It's nice to immediately follow up a previous episode instead of jumping ahead another 6 years. The ending was a nice surprise too.
 
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The Sinner. Series 1 and 2 were decent, but the protagonist is S3 is impossible to sympathise with and it made it drag. Imagine being driven mad by philosophy! Just get a hobby you dweeb!
I believe season 4 is out now
 

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Ok so the She-Hulk finale...

That whole smirky meta thing doesn't do that much for me personally and of course the finale was all about that so... bleh.
I'll only watch season 2 if my wife wants to. We only watched this one because we're huge fans of Tatiana Maslaney but overall this show's vibe is just not my thing. It's fine, I guess for what it is but it's just a skeleton to mug for the camera. When she's like "is this working for you?" I'm thinking no what works for me is a story and plot not a meta-criticism of Marvel.

Are we supposed to be impressed that Marvel characters are talking about their shows and movies all end in a dumb clusterf*** of mindless action? The worst part is, they'll just keep doing it, so what's the point? Just telling us they know? Ugh, stupid.
 

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HotD ep 9. Keyword feet. That is all.
I do not understand why that was necessary or even relevant. There was nothing to indicate that relationship or dynamic existed and even it was it literally added nothing to the story. It feels like the show runner owed Harvey Weinstein a favor or something. It just felt like someone demanded it be put in for the sake of grossing out the audience. It would have worked earlier in the series when that relationship was building, but its literally the finale next week. It doesn't matter anymore.
 

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I do not understand why that was necessary or even relevant. There was nothing to indicate that relationship or dynamic existed and even it was it literally added nothing to the story. It feels like the show runner owed Harvey Weinstein a favor or something. It just felt like someone demanded it be put in for the sake of grossing out the audience. It would have worked earlier in the series when that relationship was building, but its literally the finale next week. It doesn't matter anymore.
I'm not in the mood for my cookies thinking I'm into feet, would you mind giving me some context so I don't need to google it lol

On a weirdly still related note, I saw a HotD clip recommended to me and I have to ask: are dragons really that important in this universe? I mean sure damn it's a fucken dragon, but I can't really see how they're such an important asset. Unless they have whole armies of them, in which case I could understand a little more.
 

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On a weirdly still related note, I saw a HotD clip recommended to me and I have to ask: are dragons really that important in this universe? I mean sure damn it's a fucken dragon, but I can't really see how they're such an important asset. Unless they have whole armies of them, in which case I could understand a little more.
Dragons are like the nuclear bomb in this setting - if you have them, no-one fucks with you.

To be more specific, dragons allowed the Valyrians to form an empire, and after Valyria's destruction, just three dragons were enough for the Targaryens to conquer the Seven Kingdoms. One dragon alone can pretty much destroy an army, and we see as such in Game of Thrones, where Daenerys does such a thing in the Reach, and again, where one dragon is enough to set King's Landing ablaze. It's telling that the Targaryens were only overthrown after their dragons died out, not before.
 
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Dragons are like the nuclear bomb in this setting - if you have them, no-one fucks with you.

To be more specific, dragons allowed the Valyrians to form an empire, and after Valyria's destruction, just three dragons were enough for the Targaryens to conquer the Seven Kingdoms. One dragon alone can pretty much destroy an army, and we see as such in Game of Thrones, where Daenerys does such a thing in the Reach, and again, where one dragon is enough to set King's Landing ablaze. It's telling that the Targaryens were only overthrown after their dragons died out, not before.
Was the destruction of the Valyrians a dragon vs dragon affair?

Also, while I haven't watched anything GoT related, I do know that at least one of Daenerys' dragons was killed by ordinary men. Unless that's just a shitty adaptation on the showrunner's part, it's hard for me to see how three dragons was enough to conquer the world (and that's just considering a matchup of a dragon versus an army, not the actual logistics of such a campaign).
 

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I'm not in the mood for my cookies thinking I'm into feet, would you mind giving me some context so I don't need to google it lol

On a weirdly still related note, I saw a HotD clip recommended to me and I have to ask: are dragons really that important in this universe? I mean sure damn it's a fucken dragon, but I can't really see how they're such an important asset. Unless they have whole armies of them, in which case I could understand a little more.
Yeah, I mean it's the equivalent of having a B-17 bomber in medieval times. One dragon can swoop down and wipe out a 100 troops with one attack without ever stopping. They aren't the end all be all, but unless the army is specifically equipped to handle them it's pretty much game over. The couple times in the show they are actually stopped its by an entire platoon of archers or 10-20 ships equipped with harpoons and they only managed to take one down after losing a thousand troops. Additionally in HOTD the largest dragon in the world is introduced, which is about the size of a city block. It's impossible to say what kind of havoc it could wreak.

Ah for whatever the show decided to have a scene where a lord lady unwillingly shows the series Snidely Whiplash her feet and he masturbates. It's really dumb and out of place. Its an infantile call back the original shows first couple seasons where theres a lot of sex and nudity. Its supposed to be shocking but the character in question already and cartoon villain and it just feels infantile because it doesn't fit with the established power dynamic between the two characters up to this point. TBH the show was pretty mature up this point and I'm little disappointed they felt the need to "shock" us in the episode before the finale.
 
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Was the destruction of the Valyrians a dragon vs dragon affair?

Also, while I haven't watched anything GoT related, I do know that at least one of Daenerys' dragons was killed by ordinary men. Unless that's just a shitty adaptation on the showrunner's part, it's hard for me to see how three dragons was enough to conquer the world (and that's just considering a matchup of a dragon versus an army, not the actual logistics of such a campaign).
There used to be a lot more dragons I believe, but in the books and the show it's more of an intimation factor than anything concrete at this point in history. That said towards the end of the original show, I believe one of the dragons whipped out around 2000 troops and another destroyed 20-30 ships. They aren't godlike, but nobody wants to join an army thats gonna have to go fight one. I think two dragons are killed, I forgot how the second one dies, but I believe the first one is tricked into getting to close to a bunch of ships armed with Harpoons an get taken out. mm none of the dragons are killed yet in the books, but the show stops having anything in common with the books around book 4 and season 5. GRRM left the show to go do other things and the writing room fell apart and the show was all downhill from there.
 

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Was the destruction of the Valyrians a dragon vs dragon affair?
Doom of Valyria - A Wiki of Ice and Fire (westeros.org)

The details are vague, but it wasn't a dragon vs. dragon thing. The real-world inspiration seems to be Atlantis, the thematic inspiration is "the Valyrians were gits, so karma bit them in the backside."

Also, while I haven't watched anything GoT related, I do know that at least one of Daenerys' dragons was killed by ordinary men. Unless that's just a shitty adaptation on the showrunner's part, it's hard for me to see how three dragons was enough to conquer the world (and that's just considering a matchup of a dragon versus an army, not the actual logistics of such a campaign).
That's underselling it. Daenerys had three dragons. She lost one to the Night King (who is no ordinary man, and only downed Viserion through supernatural ability) and lost another to a ballista, which was specifically designed to counter the dragons, and despite all the ballistae that were produced, Rhaegal was the only one who was downed, and only then through a combination of circumstances.

If anything, it reinforces just how powerful dragons are, given how limited the ballistae were against them. Yes, Rhaegal was killed, but Drogon alone was enough to take King's Landing.
 

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Blown Away: Neato / Great

Glass blowers compete for $60,000 and a residency at a prestigious art school. 10 contestants partake in as many challenges, each with a theme, strict rules and expectations, and worst in class each time is eliminated.

I don't know what it is, but I eat these types of shows up. It's really cool to see people push themselves and create some really incredible stuff. What I do hate though is when the judge nitpicks and finds niggling details to scrutinize; I'm all "fuck you! it ain't perfect, but it's still fucking awesome!"
I usually teally like these kinds of shows but i couldn't get into that one. I think everyone is just too aware of how good they are. There's a metalwork one on Netflix which is good, though the host is exceptionally annoying.

There's a british woodwork one on channel 4 catch up if you can access that: Britain's Best Woodworker.
 
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