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The Crown, season 5

I haven't posted in this thread because I been watching this and I figure not a lot of interest here for it but in case anyone is curious about how this season compares, it is the weakest so far. To be fair, it's also the most challenging as it covers events many people actually lived through. It's in the 90's and spans the break-down of the Wales' marriage, which I remember as a kid.
Both actors playing Charles and Diana did a brilliant job and it's the acting and production that keeps my wife and I watching despite the fact that we generally prefer genre shows and are American socialists who despise and resent the very idea of an imperial European monarchy's continued existence.

The problems with the show are two-fold:
1- Pacing. It's 10 episodes and I can think of 2 that I don't know needed to happen. Consequently, they might have skimmed over a couple of Diana's affairs and some of the background politics that informed the public reaction to the monarchy. It's as if they replaced the latter with character merely complaining about it, committing the classic dramatic mistake of telling not showing.
2- Politically conservative. It's fine to have a point of view I disagree with, whatever. But some of it was so heavy handed we laughed a couple time, which was not the show's intention.

The good stuff:
1- It did a good job of showing Charles' and Camilla's relationship, you could see why they're a couple, no matter what else you think.
2- Music, visuals, all that stuff- really the main reason to watch this kind of show sometimes.

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I am absolutely loving this season. The whole dynamic between the two married couples is gripping to watch and the character of Daphne, the woman married to douchebro who is always subtlety telling Aubrey Plaza about the secrets of their marriage- is the runaway star of the show and the breakout performance of all of 2022 for me. But the whole cast is bringing it, with the hookers and the "nice guy" and that whole thing.
My least favorite plot line so far is with the "high-end gays," as Jennifer Coolidge's character hilariously called them, just because it's been the most predictable so far. This show is a boon for fans of awkward comedy.

With The Crown finished, tonight we'll start one of three shows, depending on which the wife is feeling for the most (we'll get to all 3, it's just a matter of order):
1899 because we were devoted viewers of Dark so we gotta check this out
Wednesday because everyone is loving it
The English because I like Westerns and she likes Emily Blunt
My other problem with Season 5 Crown on Netflix is that I feel like we see so much less of the Queen, and why she matters so much to the family, than previously. I did like the episode about Dodi. I had no idea who he and family were or that he was an exec. producer of "Chariots of Fire" way back when Oscars still mattered a lot. I thought, wrongly, that he was just some member of an oil rich middle eastern family. Wrong!.

I regret, and this appears to have been in real life, a regression of the queen's husband. My 2 favorite scenes with him include him asking a group of men for help as he realizes in many ways, he is lost. The other is him dressing down Dianna saying their jobs are to support the one person that matters (the queen) and that she seems to have forgotten that. Felt like he regressed from this but, in real life, I guess he did.

I really liked, with quibbles, 1899 and loved Wednesday.

Yellowstone on Peacock is next up for me.
 

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Wednesday, (7/10)

On the plus side: Great casting and performances, very Tim Burton in tone and presentation (even the episodes he did not direct.) The visuals were right on. And the music and sound design was top notch, a standout win for the series.

On the minus side... the script. Mystery that's way too easy to solve early on. And (it's just a personal thing) a "high school" story and setting, that's just an automatic turn off for me. I wouldn't have even watched it, but had several days off and nothing else to do at times. And they were a little heavy handed with the "easter eggs." Save that garbage for a reboot, not something that's more of a spinoff.

So, all in all a pretty good watch for something I had no real interest in watching. If it gets a second season, I might even give that a shot.
 
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It reminded me of those YA live action fantasy movies on Netflix. The dialog seemed so disconnected with the context. The girl having her meltdown at the feast felt like she was in some highschool comedy. I was bored senseless until the action started, but it ended up being entirely forgettable. Willow is one of my favorite films of all time so while I generally see it through rose colored glasses, I'm confident it was not like a bland YA comedy. People die in it, lots of scary stuff happens pretty much out of the gates. Lot of jokes only parents would get. I don't know what this show is or who it's for, but I wanted to shut it off at the 20 minute mark. No I don't think that's it, that its not for me. It's actually fucking lazy. hard pass on this one. It ..is..rough.
Haven't watched it yet, but I can't imagine it is worse than the actual sequels to Willow, The Chronicles of the Shadow War. A book series so awful... its actual torture to read. The worst series I've ever read. Willow becomes a huge dude not called Willow anymore, Elora becomes an annoying teenager boat anchor he has to escort quest/rescue, and Madmartigan and Sorsha are killed off-screen in the first 2 minutes. And it gets worse from that awful beginning...
 

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Well, I ended up watching the rest of 1899 in a single day. Overall thoughts are that it's entertaining, but my immediate reaction after finishing it is... eeehhhh. I'll probably post further thoughts after thinking on it more, these are just my immediate thoughts.
So it's not Lovecraft, it's The Matrix. And Inception. And a bit of Westworld and The Truman Show. It's not historical horror, it's science fiction.

I can't help but feel that the big reveal (it's all a simulation) cheapens the overall experience by a mile, and makes a lot of it basically pointless, because none of it was real anyway. Come to think of it, this is basically a very expensive, very elaborately written, very well executed "it was all a dream" story. I previously compared it to Lost, but a better comparison point might actually be Wandavision. And I feel that was definitely a better execution of this concept. There the weirdness was at least informed by the characters, and tied into the core elements and story in a vital way. Here things like the scarab feel like mere red herrings, because we know so little of the characters outside of the simulation.

I can feel the question of "what was the point of that?" growing bigger in my mind by the second. I watched all these individual, very grounded and engaging character arcs with these interesting characters, and turns out it was all just fabrication! Who even are these people, are they anything like they were in the simulation? Why were they given the roles they played? Why are they here? Are their life experiences anything like the ones we saw? Do they even know each other? Same goes for the themes: class difference, sexism, trauma, faith, authority, all of it mattered or informed the ending for jack shit in the end. Knowing how little control or knowledge most of the characters had over anything now feels like I was just waching the show spinning its wheels for vast chunks of the last 3 episodes. Like, why should I care if the characters escape the black crystal mass at the end? None of it was real anyway!
So yeah, my immediate opinion is that it's rather underwhelming. The use of classic rock songs at the end of each episode was great though.
 
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World of Warcraft: Dragonflight - Legacies (4/5)

Don't have much to say about this - animated mini-series in the same vein for WoW that's been done since Mists. Might just be me getting older, but there was a tendency here to make even the most simple dialogue sound epic, mainly through musical cues and whatnot. But, decent look into the history of the dracthyr and whatnot. I'm really not sure about the Neltharion reveal, that his dive into madness due to the Old Gods was spurned by desparation, in a bid to defeat Razageth. It arguably makes him more sympathetic, but if so, I think that's more of a revelation for Wrathion and such.

...and I bet 90% of you have no idea what those terms are. Peh, scrubs. :p

Danny Phantom: Season 1 (3/5)

As far as I can tell, Danny Phantom (hence referred to as DP) is one of the more higher regarded Nickelodean shows. Large no. of entries on FFN, Danny himself commonly appears in ancilliary media, and there seems to be a large fanbase that endures to this day. Having watched season 1, I really don't get why this is the case.

That's not to say it's bad, but at the end of the day, the cartoon's really just bog-average. And I don't think that's an age thing talking, it's an analysis-thing talking. The characters are...fine, if archtypical. The action is decent. The plot...okay, I'll get to that later, but I still left wondering what the hub-bub is about. If I had to describe this show in one sentence, it would be "Spider-Man mixed with Ghostbusters" (replace spider sense with ghost sense, use terminology and iconography straight from Ghostbusters), and you have a description of DP. So why is this so hyped?

Anyway, I'm going to delve into plot elements - I'm doing this because I've seen this show praised for plot continuity in a time (2000s) where that was comparatively rare). And while I agree that it was rare back then (arguably it still is), I feel this statement is overblown. So on that note:

-The series gives its origin story in its intro sequence, but never actually has an origin story episode itself. This isn't really bad per se, but the problem is that unless I missed something...well, the entire schtick is that Danny gets zapped by a device his parents want to use to view "the Ghost Zone," said parents believing that the device doesn't work, yet the entire premise is that because it's active, ghosts can come through into the real world, and the device is on most of the time. So first, why isn't it shut down, and second, how does it escape his parents notice when said device is in the lab where they reguarly work?

-On the subject of the ghosts themselves, the rules are never really clear on what they are, or how they function. Sometimes the ghosts appear to be native entities to the Ghost Zone, other times they're the spirits of deceased people. Now, in fairness, these aren't mutually exclusive origins, but the series never really lays down what the rules are except in certain circumstances. For instance, a ghost, Danny or otherwise, may be hit through numerous walls, phasing, but then arbitrarily impact another object. I know I'm likely wondering too much about the mechanics of this series, but over time, little inconsistencies can build up to big ones.

-More on the subject of continuity, maybe there's payoff later on, but season 1 has winks to continuity, but almost all of it is entirely stand-alone. Which is fine, at the end of the day, but there's shifts in the status quo that are never really addressed. Some of them don't matter (e.g. Danny seems to become more skilled as time goes on, but there's not really any kind of payoff), others are more drastic. At the start, Danny's ghost-hunting parents are mocked for hunting ghosts, despite the fact that there's no way any rational person could miss the fights occurring in the city. Then, along the way, people just seem to accept that ghosts are real, and a fact of everyday life. Which, okay, sure, plot progression, but there's no real mea culpa from anyone. For instance, Danny's sister, Jazz, makes it a thing from ep. 1 that she detests her parents for ghost-hunting, seeing it as silly, but then ghosts are accepted as real and this...doesn't really go anywhere. Jazz is hinted to maybe be getting into the whole thing in one episode, but it's never brought up again. Similarly, Jazz discovers Danny's secret, but has to pretend that she doesn't know because she wants him to come clean when he's comfortable in doing so (which I'll give credit, that's a fairly unique touch), but this still doesn't change that much. Sometimes, after Jazz finds out, she's well aware of Danny's secret, at other times, it's a non-issue.

I guess the short version is that DP's stance on continuity bugs me because the continuity is there, but it's never really followed through on, at least not in ways pertaining to character development or status quo. For the villains, this isn't as bad, as their actions stem from past defeats many times, but in terms of actual character? Yeah. Not so much. I could draw attention to the 'thing' between Danny and Sam, but the "will they, won't they" state of their relationship is the same at the end of the season as it is at the start.

So, yeah. Show's average. I'll give credit to the writing, in that it never became condescending, and I chuckled a few times, but still, average. And while I think age may play a lot in my gripes with it, I don't think that's the be-all and end-all. Maybe it gets better later on, and some setups are fully delivered upon in seasons 2/3, but I'm in no rush to find out.
 

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The Ferals, season 1 - 4/5

Old gem from the ABC Kids days in the 90s. Basic premise is four feral animals: Rattus (rat), Modigliana (cat), Mixy (rabbit, and boy is the gag about her name dark) and Derryn (dog) live in a dilapidated shed and get into mischief. And I don’t mean cute wholesome stuff either; these guys were lazy and stupid grifting wheeler dealers always looking out for themselves. Well, Rattus and Modi were; Mixy and Derryn were usually the unwilling or unknowing help.

It’s hilarious, but very Australian.

 
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I preferred Feral TV myself. More absurd humour, and a Kerry Packer inspired cane-toad.
 

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I preferred Feral TV myself. More absurd humour, and a Kerry Packer inspired cane-toad.
I think the five minute format did suit the rapid fire comedy better, and Kerry was……inspired but I still have a soft spot for the original.

Where are my DVDs, ABC?
 
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Holy bum nuggets, I never thought I'd see The Ferals mentioned here.

Anyway, yeah. Good times. Personally preferred the original to Feral TV though.
 
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willow episode 2

So I was like 5 minutes into this second episode where theyre yammering on, giving me exposition or fucking whatever and it suddenly occured to me - I dont have to watch this. I quit The bling of Power 5 episodes in and shockingly...Im still alive. Willow is fucking boring and tedious. Im gonna rewatch Pitch Black instead. That was a good movie.

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I watched Wednesday and it was pretty nifty. It actually had some decent visuals, not CGI ofcourse, but cinematography - it didn't look like Netflix shows and movies generally look. It's also crazy how this teen mystery show has better fight choreography than Willow, an actual action-adventure show.

Writing wise I can't say it has much to offer, it's really all about Jenna Ortega as Wednesday marching around putting people in their place. I wish some of the other characters had a bit more Adams Family-esque peculiarness to them, but then this could've resulted in the usual obnoxious Tim Burton affair, which this show thankfully doesn't. The two main male love interests though are the most boring fucking shmucks. The last two episodes also have Wednesday being flat-out stupid so the bad guys can get the drop on her. I did really, really like the prosthetic make-up on the main baddie at the end though. Very reminiscent of Dan Akroyd in Nothing but Trouble.
 

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I watched Wednesday and it was pretty nifty. It actually had some decent visuals, not CGI ofcourse, but cinematography - it didn't look like Netflix shows and movies generally look. It's also crazy how this teen mystery show has better fight choreography than Willow, an actual action-adventure show.

Writing wise I can't say it has much to offer, it's really all about Jenna Ortega as Wednesday marching around putting people in their place. I wish some of the other characters had a bit more Adams Family-esque peculiarness to them, but then this could've resulted in the usual obnoxious Tim Burton affair, which this show thankfully doesn't. The two main male love interests though are the most boring fucking shmucks. The last two episodes also have Wednesday being flat-out stupid so the bad guys can get the drop on her. I did really, really like the prosthetic make-up on the main baddie at the end though. Very reminiscent of Dan Akroyd in Nothing but Trouble.
I've only seen the first episode so far but I am enjoying it pretty much from the word go. Even the fact it's pretty much a teen school show(which normally gets me to nope out fast) isn't bothering me because I'm enjoying the overall vibe and Wensday's stoic goth thing works very well somehow. I keep feeling like I shouldn't be liking this because there's a lot of things here I'd normally dislike or be ambielvent to but here it works.

My biggest (minor) issue. Luis Guzman isn't Raul Julia. To be fair, Nobody but Raul Julia is Raul Julia so that's not Guzman's fault.
 

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My biggest (minor) issue. Luis Guzman isn't Raul Julia. To be fair, Nobody but Raul Julia is Raul Julia so that's not Guzman's fault.
Yeah, I felt the same, but by the next time he showed up I think he worked quite well. Actually the one surprising miscast to me Lurch. I mean, we barely get to see him, but when we do he just looks like the most normal fucking guy. Carel Struycken is just a walking grim reaper, so you really can't just cast a regular old taller-than-usual kinda guy to follow him up.
 

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I've only seen the first episode so far but I am enjoying it pretty much from the word go. Even the fact it's pretty much a teen school show(which normally gets me to nope out fast) isn't bothering me because I'm enjoying the overall vibe and Wensday's stoic goth thing works very well somehow. I keep feeling like I shouldn't be liking this because there's a lot of things here I'd normally dislike or be ambielvent to but here it works.

My biggest (minor) issue. Luis Guzman isn't Raul Julia. To be fair, Nobody but Raul Julia is Raul Julia so that's not Guzman's fault.
I would concur, without spoiling anything his storyline is pretty blah and its mostly his portrayal. Hes just not bringing it to 11 like Raul Julia did.
 
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I've only seen the first episode so far but I am enjoying it pretty much from the word go. Even the fact it's pretty much a teen school show(which normally gets me to nope out fast) isn't bothering me because I'm enjoying the overall vibe and Wensday's stoic goth thing works very well somehow. I keep feeling like I shouldn't be liking this because there's a lot of things here I'd normally dislike or be ambielvent to but here it works.

My biggest (minor) issue. Luis Guzman isn't Raul Julia. To be fair, Nobody but Raul Julia is Raul Julia so that's not Guzman's fault.
What’s funny is that if you go and look at the way Gomez is drawn in their New Yorker original comics and even some cartoons, he’s kind of rotund - which lends further credence to his and Fester being brothers - so Luis is a little closer to the text. However once John Astin played him, trim Gomez was a thing and then Raul Julia marched up the mountain, high-fiving Astin as he went, and planted his fucking flag at Peak Gomez.
 
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What’s funny is that if you go and look at the way Gomez is drawn in their New Yorker original comics and even some cartoons, he’s kind of rotund - which lends further credence to his and Fester being brothers - so Luis is a little closer to the text. However once John Astin played him, trim Gomez was a thing and then Raul Julia marched up the mountain, high-fiving Astin as he went, and planted his fucking flag at Peak Gomez.
I am aware of that and honestly, Guzman does look more like the OG comic Gomez. It's just hard for me to not love Julia's completely OOT Gomez from having seen the films as a kid.
 

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I am aware of that and honestly, Guzman does look more like the OG comic Gomez. It's just hard for me to not love Julia's completely OOT Gomez from having seen the films as a kid.
And I’m right there with you on that. Raul Julia’s Gomez Addams is just……something else. It says a lot about a man’s performance that the likes of Tim Curry can’t fill his shoes.
 
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And I’m right there with you on that. Raul Julia’s Gomez Addams is just……something else. It says a lot about a man’s performance that the likes of Tim Curry can’t fill his shoes.
I'll also throw out that the big, if not only, reason the Street Fighter movie from the 1990's isn't completely disposable is Raul Julia hamming his way through his role as M. Bison
 
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