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Opening episode of Season 2 of "Homecoming" on Amazon Prime. It got things off with a bang as a woman wakes up in the middle of a lake in a row boat with no oars, no safety vest and virtually no memory. 7/10. At about 22 min. per episode, not a huge investment of time to catch some fun.
 

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Been watching Warrior Nun on Netflix with my SO.

It is TERRIBLE. And we have so much fun shitting on it together. Its almost bizzare how bad it is, the directing styles change at the drop of a dime and the plot goes nowhere. The worst thing about it has to be the main character. I have never watched a show where every other character is more interesting and likeable than the main protagonist. She is annoying, poorly acted, and a fucking dumbass. Its almost impressive how bad she is.

But I do actually like the premise. Ninja nuns and conspiracies in the Catholic Church? Good shit. The acting is never quite there, but almost all the cast have never acted in Hollywood before so I'll give them a pass. I enjoyed my time in Spain, so the show mainly being set there was fun.

3/10 if you want something good to watch, 7/10 if you want to relentlessly mock something for a few days.
 

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Still watching Shaman King. I don't believe it. They've just introduced a character to contest with Anna for worst character in the show.



A racist caricature with a dumb name whose entire purpose and goal revolves around telling puns. Terrible, terrible puns. The worst part of any anime is the terrible Japanese puns and they've just introduced an entire character devoted to them...
 

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Still watching Shaman King. I don't believe it. They've just introduced a character to contest with Anna for worst character in the show.



A racist caricature with a dumb name whose entire purpose and goal revolves around telling puns. Terrible, terrible puns. The worst part of any anime is the terrible Japanese puns and they've just introduced an entire character devoted to them...
Yeah, I was waiting for you to get to that. Choco can be a problem. I will give the manga this, he has better character development and story there. in the manga only, he's actually the most powerful out of all the group. sadly, he doesn't get this in the anime. The only other good thing about the longer version, and this is more of a region thing, if you're reading the English translation they removed the racist caricatures he looks more like a normal person. Even for the early 2000s, I knew that wasn't right. Granted, there have been worse racist caricatures in anime, but at least he is on the good guy side, and not a villain, or some reformed villain. If you thought the jokes are bad in Japanese, wait until you hear the English dub.
 

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Yeah, I was waiting for you to get to that. Choco can be a problem. I will give the manga this, he has better character development and story there. in the manga only, he's actually the most powerful out of all the group. sadly, he doesn't get this in the anime. The only other good thing about the longer version, and this is more of a region thing, if you're reading the English translation they removed the racist caricatures he looks more like a normal person. Even for the early 2000s, I knew that wasn't right. Granted, there have been worse racist caricatures in anime, but at least he is on the good guy side, and not a villain, or some reformed villain. If you thought the jokes are bad in Japanese, wait until you hear the English dub.
I can only imagine how awful the dub would be -_-
 
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Hamilton: Fantastic/10

Really surprised by this one. I don’t tend to like modern musicals; they come off as campy and unnecessary; they lack the charm and innocence of those gold standards from the Rodgers and Hammerstein era (which I can tolerate,) like they’re almost made to be forgotten. But Hamilton was different in that despite being an absurd Hip Hop take on the founding of the United States, it takes itself with a level of austerity that commands respect. It has moments of levity and humor, but mostly it’s a serious affair which I wasn’t expecting at all. It also helps that it’s a stage production and not one of those overproduced, try-hard films like “Mama Mia!” The acting is incredible; nearly everyone flawless and convincing in their roles, and the fact that they memorized 2.5 hours of conversational rap lyrics and singing along with some impressive choreography involving dozens of people on a rotating platform stage at any given moment… wow; I guess I get the hype now. Well worth the watch.
 
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Doctor Who: Series 12 (3/5)

...whoo boy, do I have some stuff to talk about.

For starters, I want to clarify that I'm not including Revolution in the overall assessment. I intended to, but the special is separate from the overall arc of series 12, ergo, I'm not including it. Touching on it by itself, it's good. Daleks have overstayed their welcome, but it still manages to make them intimidating again, even if the episode skimps over how many people die - oh sure, the love interest gets saved, but what about all the people the dalek kills before that? And who the hell decided to disband UNIT? Meh, whatever. Episode's still good, let's move on.

So that brings us to series 12. I won't comment on each episode individually, but the funny thing is, series 12 actually has the opposite problems of series 11. Series 11 lacked a strong connecting plot, and its weakest episodes were at the start and end of the season, coupled with an extremely weak villain. In contrast, its strongest episodes were stand-alone, and based in historical fiction. Series 12, on the other hand, has its best episodes at the beginning and end of its run, with strong connective tissue, coupled with a strong recurring villain (two, technically), but on the other hand, unremarkable stand-alone episodes. I'd say that series 12 is the better of the two overall, but they're like two sides of a flawed coin.

Some flaws remain. For instance, the companions. There's nothing wrong with them, but there's nothing remarkable about them either. I definitely prefer the method of NuWho of having 1-2 companions at a time, introducing them slowly, whereas Chibnall has gone for a quantity over quality approach. Whittaker however, continues to do a good job as the Doctor. An even better one than before, because the writing has again shown the Doctor's inner darkness, and Whittaker is able to harness that. But better than the Doctor here, is the Master. I mean, holy shit, he might be my favourite version of the Master I've seen. It's like the BBC asked Sacha Dhawan if he could channel John Simms, only more crazy, and Dhawan said "hold my beer," did that, and made the producers say "okay pal, you're scaring us." His take on the master is like 50% insane, 50% genius, with 50% humour, 50% terror, and I love it. Yes, it's reflective of the trait as to how nothing stays dead in this universe (certainly not the Master, among other things), but you've got to take what you can get. I really hope that this isn't the last we see of Dhawan, because he's brilliant in the role. As far as recurring villains go, he and Tim Shaw aren't even in the same universe. Luckilly, what IS in the same universe is Ashad. Again, excellent villain, even though we probably won't see him again.

So Series 12 has a strong opener and strong ender, with some dud episodes (e.g. Orphan 55) and some decent episodes (e.g. the Haunting of Villa Diodatti) in-between. But let's get into the crux of the matter, and that's the plot point of the Timeless Child. If you follow Doctor Who, you know what I'm talking about, and if you don't, then tough, because I could spend a lifetime explaining how convoluted the lore's become as a result, in a setting where canon is as flexible as spaghetti. But this revelation pissed off a lot of Whovians, so how do I feel about it? Truth be told...I really dislike it, but not necessarily for the same reasons as a lot of people. You see, the Doctor being the Timeless Child and being the reason the Time Lords became the Time Lords? That does bug me. But what bugs me more is the knock-on effects that this has, and how we see those knock-on effects in this very season, and how it arguably harms earlier seasons retroactively.

If the Doctor had incarnations before Hartnell, then this gives the writers licence to do pretty much whatever they want. We see this with Ruth being supposedly a pre-Hartnell Doctor, before the mind wipe or whatever occurs. Now, I like the episode itself, but nothing about Ruth makes sense. She's pre-Hartnell, but calls herself "the Doctor," despite the fact that Hartnell is meant to be the one who chose the name. She has a TARDIS that looks like a phone box, despite the fact that the only reason the TARDIS does look like a box is because the chameleon circuit busted at the start of the series. It's not like the series hasn't done this kind of thing before (see the War Doctor), but that was driven by necessity, with Eccelston refusing to return for the 50th Anniversary. Ruth, however? Well, she's fine as a character, but this isn't a choice of necessity, this is a choice of trying to give the writers carte blanche. And, notably, it allows the writers to slide in as many female Doctors pre-Hartnell as they want, and say "see, we planned it all along, how dare you say the whole gender flip thing wasn't an awkward!" Yeah, usually I roll my eyes at the whole 'feminization' of media, but Doctor Who is an exception. I like Whittaker as the Doctor, that doesn't mean I have to approve of the politics behind it, and how awkwardly it was handled in the leadup to it.

But there's also another reason this bugs me, and that's TechVera (sp.) If she's the one who found the Doctor, then either she's his mother (as seen in The End of Time), or the Time Lady there isn't his mother, and Chibnall retconned Davies. Again, retcons come with the territory, I accept that, but it does undermine a lot of the emotional connection that scene has. I could go on, but the short version is that I really dislike this plot twist. What's more, the episode doesn't even do much with it. The Doctor comes to the conclusion that she's still the same person and none of this affects her. So, okay then, why should it affect us? Oh, and Gallifrey's destroyed. Again. Yay.

I could go on, but being beaten up on one specific plot point isn't really a review, and the episodes where the revelation feature remain solid. At the end of the day, the season was still a net positive, and still better than its predecessor. But at the end of the day, I can only call it "okay" rather than "good." I might have to accept that I may have grown beyond Doctor Who, as this is a show that's designed for families rather than adults, and while there's plenty of good writing, there's plenty of clunky writing as well. I have to accept that maybe the problem wasn't with moffat or Chibnall, it may have been me. But, whatever the case, these are my thoughts.

Alonsy.

(Oh, and Jack Harkness is still Jack Harkness, a.k.a. awesome.)
 
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Star Trek: TNG rewatch of season 1

So, put in the caveats: I think TNG is my least favourite Star Trek. That includes the new ones like Discovery and Picard. But I haven’t watch it in well over 15 years. So I’m giving it a second chance. I’m also am only up to the Tasha thing but I need to vent

In some ways, this shows is worse than I remember. I just finished an episode where they followed the Prime Directive to the letter, probably killing thousands. This happened a few episodes after they were willing to break the Prime Directive to save Wesley. No amount of pontificating saves you from your past decision and it makes the your argument toothless. Absolute failure in storytelling.

Man, the jobs are set up haphazardly. No one other than the top two has a real role (except Crusher and maybe Tasha.) They hardly give anyone a personality. Why the hell is Troi even there? They don’t even use her, and half the time she no where in the episode. They always have to explain why she’s not there. I feel like they are trying to blank slates every character so you can imagine yourself in the story, rather than put characters in.

Picard rocks between wanting to blast everything or talk it out with such inconsistency it’s neck breaking. They pretend things are dramatic that end up not matterIng at all. They do build up that have no climax. Decisions that characters make don’t match between episodes. And Picard is an absolute prick to Wesley at the start, it’s a wonder why he’s at all interested in Starfleet.

Someone needed to go to a writing course

In other ways, I was being too harsh on it in my previous assessment but... there are too many new negatives to see clearly at this time

I know it gets better but it’s been a slog
 

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Why are you even watching the first season? Even episodes with good ideas are let down by uneven character work. And in season 2, they're let down by the character of the new doctor.

As a TNG fan, I don't see why anybody would subject themselves to the first 2 seasons if they'd been put off of the series before.
 
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I've only seen the first two seasons of TNG myself. I've never moved beyond them. Yes, I know that it's supposedly season 3 when the series got good, but it took two seasons to reach that point? Really? Most shows aren't so lucky.
 

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I've only seen the first two seasons of TNG myself. I've never moved beyond them. Yes, I know that it's supposedly season 3 when the series got good, but it took two seasons to reach that point? Really? Most shows aren't so lucky.
It was different in the days of old TV where the goal was to make it to syndication. And it can't be overstated how big of an IP Star Trek was for TV at the time. The wilting of the franchise in the 00's and the move away from procedural television (except for the dozens of cop shows still littering the networks) makes that easy to forget, but TNG had a very long amount of rope to get through before it would be considered hung.

That said, if you can't find something to love in the first 2 seasons, TNG isn't for you. The first 2 seasons have good moments. The later seasons only really smooth out their quality curve to quit having so many stinkers while touching on the same things that made those moments good. If there is nothing in the first two seasons you found endearing, you're unlikely to find it with anymore watching.
 
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It was different in the days of old TV where the goal was to make it to syndication. And it can't be overstated how big of an IP Star Trek was for TV at the time. The wilting of the franchise in the 00's and the move away from procedural television (except for the dozens of cop shows still littering the networks) makes that easy to forget, but TNG had a very long amount of rope to get through before it would be considered hung.

That said, if you can't find something to love in the first 2 seasons, TNG isn't for you. The first 2 seasons have good moments. The later seasons only really smooth out their quality curve to quit having so many stinkers while touching on the same things that made those moments good. If there is nothing in the first two seasons you found endearing, you're unlikely to find it with anymore watching.
Oh there's certainly individual episodes I like. Measure of a Man is my favourite Star Trek episode I've seen, ever. But even then, of all the Star Trek I've seen*, I've never felt that enamored with it. Certainly nowhere near the level of reverance sci-fi fans give it. Yeah, I can understand and appreciate its cultural impact, but again, at least for me, there's better sci-fi shows out there. That, and the fanbase can't seem to agree on what "real" Star Trek is, and who'll insist that Star Trek is deep, character-driven, hard sci-fi, while conveniently forgetting how goofy and rediculous the series is just as often, if not more so.

*Which, at this point in time, consists of:

-Season 1/2 of Enterprise
-Season 1/2 of TOS
-Season 1/2 of Discovery
-Season 1 of Short Treks
-Season 1/2 of TNG
-A boatload of stuff from Sfdebris (I've probably seen more Star Trek through Sfdebris than the show itself)
-All of the movies except Insurrection

And in case you're wondering, there isn't some golden 'rule of two' here, it actually is a conincidence.
 

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Why are you even watching the first season? Even episodes with good ideas are let down by uneven character work. And in season 2, they're let down by the character of the new doctor.

As a TNG fan, I don't see why anybody would subject themselves to the first 2 seasons if they'd been put off of the series before.
Literally couldn’t remember It that well. Also, DS9 is really not great for a couple of seasons. I thought TNG was only going to be that bad

Edit: I’m also investigating this ‘Discovery and Picard destroyed the franchise‘ thing I hear way too many Youtubers yell about. It’s similar to the Fallout 4 v Witcher 3 thing I did earlier this year. Yeah, I can still say W3 is better but not by that much. It’s a thing I do
 

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Edit: I’m also investigating this ‘Discovery and Picard destroyed the franchise‘ thing I hear way too many Youtubers yell about. It’s similar to the Fallout 4 v Witcher 3 thing I did earlier this year. Yeah, I can still say W3 is better but not by that much. It’s a thing I do
Odd. I thought the Kelvinverse destroyed the franchise. 0_0

Also, I can understand the dislike towards Discovery, but I thought the fanbase was reasonably onboard for Picard.
 
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Also watching series 1 of TNG. Skipping more than half the episodes, though. Some decent stuff left, though.
 

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Odd. I thought the Kelvinverse destroyed the franchise. 0_0

Also, I can understand the dislike towards Discovery, but I thought the fanbase was reasonably onboard for Picard.
I may rewatch some TNG some time. I enjoyed it back in the day. Things have changed and advanced so much in TV since then. Has it aged badly?
Just watched some OG ST: "Shore Leave". While it is dated, it hasn't aged badly. By that I mean, it is still a fun watch. Old TV techniques, dated special effects, a different acting and directing style. Yet, quality writing, good characters.

I'm also watching Season 2 of "Homecoming" on Amazon Prime. Took a little time to pick up but all the threads are coming together nicely. 7/10. It is a "what really happened/is happening" type of show. It best be satisfying as to what is happening or the whole thing falls flat.

I also got a hoot out of this youtube. Youngish guy genuinely surprised that 1975 film, "Jaws" is really, really great. 45 years later, it isn't hype that made me get it in HD on Amazon. (Yes, Jaws is a movie and not for this thread. But Drinker Recommends itself is not a movie).


"Find the shark and kill the s#!#t out of it" 10/10!
 
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Odd. I thought the Kelvinverse destroyed the franchise. 0_0

Also, I can understand the dislike towards Discovery, but I thought the fanbase was reasonably onboard for Picard.
Really? I thought the consensus (of a certain group) is that they are attacking one of the most beloved characters and ruining him

I personally don’t like Picard better than Discovery. It’s different, better in some ways, worse in others. But that maybe because I like Section 31 storylines. Even if that makes me like parts of Into Darkness. The first half of that movie had such an interesting set up... but then I remember it’s JJ. He can only write mystery, he can’t write revelation

And Discovery did one thing no other show has done: they made the mirror universe interesting. Usually it’s an automatic skip
 

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I may rewatch some TNG some time. I enjoyed it back in the day. Things have changed and advanced so much in TV since then. Has it aged badly?
I wouldn't use the term "aged badly." The writing is generally lousy all round. Like, for instance, the episode Code of Honour. The fact that we've got a planet of stereotypical African tribesmen who kidnap a white woman? You could say "that aged badly." But even if you removed all of these elements, the episode is just lousy all round.

Like, there's some good stuff in the first two seasons of TNG, but the execution is just "bleh." It's telling that of all the Star Trek episodes I've seen, TNG has given me my favourite (Measure of a Man) and also my least favourite (Shades of Grey).

And Discovery did one thing no other show has done: they made the mirror universe interesting. Usually it’s an automatic skip
Aside from Discovery, the only Mirror Universe episode I've seen is the one in TOS. But, I dunno, I like that episode. It's 90% cheese, with 10% intelligence, with Kirk telling Spock that any empire built like the Terran Empire is doomed to collapse. Which it does.

But I did like the Discovery MU episodes as well - it's actually my favourite segment of season 1. Also, I want Lorca back. Yeah, we get Michelle Yeoh's MU character, but I want Isaacs back as well. :(
 
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