Star Trek has had a running theme for a long time going into Klingon mixing species with other alien species, when you look at Worf's family being part human and Torres from Voyager who was also part Human, this has been somewhat an ongoing theme. Then, when you think about the Kilingon's war catchphrase of "Remain Klingon" this also alludes to trying to ensure racial purity.Hawki said:Star Trek Discovery: Season 1 (3/5)
Oh boy...this show...
I can't really talk about it without acknowledging fan outrage, because no-one hates Star Trek like a Star Wars fan (except maybe a Star Wars fan, but they're busy hating Star Wars right now). And on those complaints, some, I get - the level of technology in Discovery feels far too advanced for its timeframe. Some, I can sympathize - I think the klingons are well fleshed out and actually look alien, but it's hard reconciling their appearance with previous (future?) incarnations. And then there's the absolutely ludicrous arguments. Y'know, that the series is "advocating white genocide because the lead is a black female who's paired with an Asian female, and it's against men because Lorca is a bad guy, and is pushing the transgender agenda by calling a female Michael, while also pushing the gay agenda with Stammets, and some other insipid nonsense that I can't be bothered to repeat here."
So, fine, Discovery is a mixed bag for the fanbase, but as someone who isn't that enamored with Star Trek, what do I think of it? Well, if I had to grade Discovery's quality over the course of its season, it would resemble a bell curve. At the start, we have to deal with some wooden acting, and it doesn't help that Michael...isn't the best character in the world. The season gets better over time, and peaks in the Mirror Universe. Unfortunately, it dips in quality once the ship returns to the Prime Universe. I will say that I do like the characters overall, and how many of them do indeed have a character arc. However, while Michael is...fine, I guess, it doesn't help that the lead character is perhaps the least interesting. I have no problem with her being raised by Sarek, or being Spock's adopted sister, but whether it's down to the actress or the writing, she just feels so wooden in comparison to everyone else.
I'll also say that of all the Star Trek series I've seen, this is perhaps the least "Star Trekky." Not just because of its serialized nature, but because for a show named "Star Trek: Discovery," there isn't much trekking or discovery. I'm pretty fine with this myself - I like how the show tries something new (for Star Trek), and doesn't feel the need to follow convention, but I can understand why people might be put off. But again, I'm reminded of Enterprise. That tried to emulate TOS and TNG and, IMO, fell flat. Hard. But on the other hand, for a season that deals primarily with a war, we don't actually get to see much of that war - "show, don't tell," as the saying goes.
So, yeah. I think Discovery is a pretty mixed bag, one that has great potential if it can iron out its kinks. I will say that as first seasons go it's a far better start than, say, TNG (with its insufferable first season), but as a series as a whole...well, I'd still rank it above Enterprise, but it's not at the level of TOS or TNG. So, mixed start, but it'll be interesting to see where this goes.
I get why Michael is wooden from an in-universe perspective. That doesn't excuse her lack of character in my eyes.Lil devils x said:Michael is supposed to be "wooden" being raised by Vulcan's they are expected to suppress any emotion and come across that way, although she does allow herself to display more emotion as the show progresses, part of which is explained by her upbringing and her desire to be Vulcan and being forced to attend starfleet and mix with humans against her will by deception of Sarek. She spent her entire life trying to not be human, not feel emotion to impress Sarek and only now does she seem to be warming up slowly to emotion over time of serving with humans, not unlike Spock, she seems to share the same struggles that Spock did with emotion. I see that she was playing the character well, if you take it as coming across as "wooden" as that was exactly her intent.
That's pulling a big "technically."I have to disagree that Discovery isn't doing a ton of discovering, in that it has done an abundance of that within the Mycelial Network, sentient plants on Pahvo, the mirror universe, the Klingon home world, and who can forget the discovery of the Ancient Klingon Beacon of Kahless that started the war.
I am taking it you haven't been watching season 2 yet? Michael has been very emotional in season 2 as she has developed bonds with her shipmates, and being worried about her brother, in addition to coming to better terms with her emotions. Tilly was kidnapped by spores and taken offship into the mycelial network, albeit not for long as there really isn't much to show there except a crapton of spores and the war is over so now they will be able to explore more. season 1 was the introduction to all of these things they now will be able to explore further. Michael was supposed to be shown to be rigid and to warm up over time, although still trying to keep a bit of herself reserved and I believe she is doing a great job of doing so.Hawki said:I get why Michael is wooden from an in-universe perspective. That doesn't excuse her lack of character in my eyes.Lil devils x said:Michael is supposed to be "wooden" being raised by Vulcan's they are expected to suppress any emotion and come across that way, although she does allow herself to display more emotion as the show progresses, part of which is explained by her upbringing and her desire to be Vulcan and being forced to attend starfleet and mix with humans against her will by deception of Sarek. She spent her entire life trying to not be human, not feel emotion to impress Sarek and only now does she seem to be warming up slowly to emotion over time of serving with humans, not unlike Spock, she seems to share the same struggles that Spock did with emotion. I see that she was playing the character well, if you take it as coming across as "wooden" as that was exactly her intent.
We've had various vulcan characters in the TV series, and all of them have been either foils to the main protagonist (e.g. Spock) or background characters (e.g. Tuvok). Spock works great as a character, but if he was the lead, if he was without Kirk or Bones to interact with, I doubt he'd be as well liked. Michael technically gets characters to bounce off of, but I find myself warming to those characters (e.g. Lorca and Tilly) a lot more.
That's pulling a big "technically."I have to disagree that Discovery isn't doing a ton of discovering, in that it has done an abundance of that within the Mycelial Network, sentient plants on Pahvo, the mirror universe, the Klingon home world, and who can forget the discovery of the Ancient Klingon Beacon of Kahless that started the war.
Past Star Trek series had the ships visiting various planets, meeting new civilizations, going where no-one has gone before, etc. However, the mycelial network is explored from the ship. The mirror universe is an accident, and they have to focus on getting home and shutting down the Empire's own spore device - no time to marvel or take science notes. They're dispatched to the klingon homeworld on a mission of destruction, not discovery. Even the plant thing, IIRC, was part of the broader war effort.
Basically, past Star Trek series had ships doing discovering as the goal. Whatever Discovery 'discovers,' the discovery itself is the means to what will theoretically amount to a violent end.
No.Lil devils x said:I am taking it you haven't been watching season 2 yet?
...well that's a sentence I never thought I'd read. 0_0Tilly was kidnapped by spores
LOL! It is far more complicated than that.. the spores are not only sentient, they are highly intelligent, work together and can construct anything.. even spore transporters! This may change how you view fungi forever. X DHawki said:No.Lil devils x said:I am taking it you haven't been watching season 2 yet?
If/when I do, this thread will hear about it.
...well that's a sentence I never thought I'd read. 0_0Tilly was kidnapped by spores
That's looks really interesting! Never heard of it before, reminds me a bit like the 90s political satire, Spitting Image with those style of puppets. It's going on the list now, thanks for bringing this curiosity to light!Xprimentyl said:Blark and Son I'm probably late to the party as I'm wont to be, but wow... what an... Interesting show?
It's a show that makes light of the struggles surrounding the bond (or lack thereof) between an overly/compulsively protective and doting father and his Internet-dependent son during the son's awkward, formative years. I'd say it toes the line between dark comedy and cartoonish slapstick, but in a given 7-9 minutes episode, it's clear it has a foot firm in each camp and another in everything in between. For the father, think "Homer Simpson, Peter Griffin, Randy Marsh and the drill sergeant from Full Metal Jacekt had a love child," and the son is basically "every 12 to 14 year old born within the past decade."
It reminds me of some elements of South Park in that underneath the overt absurdities, there are austere themes; for all the comical nonsense, it's a smart show that deals with heavy content in a farcical way. It's produced with traditional silicon puppets that are semi-real, grotesque caricatures (the neighbor kid is straight nightmare fuel) which lends the show a niche-y feel, but it's done really well; you can tell it's a labor of love and attention to detail that simultaneously manages to not take itself too seriously.
All in all, I really like it; it makes me belly laugh and that's hard to do. The episodes are short, so they're easily digestible and don't over stay their welcome. Highly recommended
Awesome! Hope you enjoy them as much as I did. It starts off a little ?PG? tame, but around episode 3, they loosen the reins, and it gets really funny. You gotta let me know what you think!Neurotic Void Melody said:That's looks really interesting! Never heard of it before, reminds me a bit like the 90s political satire, Spitting Image with those style of puppets. It's going on the list now, thanks for bringing this curiosity to light!![]()
definitely yeah, I don't see it being able to disappoint as quirky offbeat stuff appeals on many levels even if it's not succeeding at everything. the only thing is am hopelessly co-dependant with viewing entertainment and much prefer watching with others, so it's a matter of whenever's the next time am able to convince a local fool or homeless person to share in the sordid activity of laughter at a new thing. still have yet to see the equalizer also, as the sequel was in stock, but not the original, so have lent that to someone who has already seen the first so it's being put to good use. may have to order online, but the people in the shop are nicer to waffle nonsense to than emotionless interweb algorithmsXprimentyl said:Awesome! Hope you enjoy them as much as I did. It starts off a little "PG" tame, but around episode 3, they loosen the reins, and it gets really funny. You gotta let me know what you think!