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Fire Daemon

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I don't think that the level of discussion can be solely influenced by a single factor such as population, but rather a combination of various factors with varying levels of strength. It is true that with a smaller community comes a family vibe and the knowledge and friendship provided by this assists in discussion, but I have seen many websites with a large user base (larger than The Escapist I'd wager) hold many discussions, so many that it is rare for a thread that lasts to not break down into a conversation between posters. These discussions though, were almost always arguments of the heated variety and were you to express an opinion it would be likely that someone else would come and argue against it and as a result discussion, or argument, would flourish.

Here on The Escapist we are a little bit too friendly. Mostly due to the moderation team doing their job we try to not get into heated arguments because by doing so one can risk getting banned if they are not careful or naturally aggressive. We seem to avoid the flammable discussion topics quite a bit here and even openly call them out for attracting an argument. A thread such as 'Which Console is the best' will probably earn some discussion but it will also achieve a lot of criticism, however these threads are rare as people know them to be ban-bait.

Were this attitude to be changed to one of more hostility than there would be more discussion, but I don't think it would be the discussion people (especially in this thread) want. Rather it would change this forum into a wretched fan boy proving ground in which dead pave the roads and the children bath in blood, or something. Still, I can't help but think that some more hostility might make this place more interesting at least. As annoying, insulting and rude as Eggo (or Indigo_Dingo, RichardGroovyPants, GEMS... take your pick) was you had to admit that the guy did start discussions.

It is possible for discussion to be had without hostility, of course, (it would most likely be of a much higher calibre too) but as this thread has argued a discussion grows harder to be had as the population increases and posting becomes more 'look at me' than 'look at what I have to say'. There are exceptions to this though such as this thread. I take my hat off to the OP for making a thread about The Escapist that doesn't boil down to 'things suck now'.
 

Lost In The Void

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Aug 27, 2008
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For the most part I like to type a lengthy response however as cuddly said, sometimes it can all be for naught if someone just TD;LR's it. That and I'm also only an average essay writer, I'm much better at stories, or speeches IRL. The fact I'm good at stories is what makes me frequent the RP section more tan any other because it allows me to get my creative outlet and I know someone will read my 2000 word post, especially if I'm the GM.
 

achilleas.k

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Fire Daemon said:
It is possible for discussion to be had without hostility, of course, (it would most likely be of a much higher calibre too)
Exactly what I was thinking while reading up to here. The first part of your post seemed to have focused on aggressive arguing rather than discussion. Also note that when I use the word argument, I don't mean fight. Not that you're wrong in any way, though. I do know certain people with which I am unable to have a proper discussion and any attempt to turn a conversation into something constructive where both sides may be represented results in a fight. I don't necessarily buy the "friendly" factor though. If I disagree with a friend I will bring it up, while usually I don't care whether I disagree with someone I don't feel too friendly with, but maybe that's just me.

but as this thread has argued a discussion grows harder to be had as the population increases and posting becomes more 'look at me' than 'look at what I have to say'. There are exceptions to this though such as this thread. I take my hat off to the OP for making a thread about The Escapist that doesn't boil down to 'things suck now'.
Again of course the population size. :) However you may have stumbled onto something else here, if we connect this to the rest of your post. Perhaps when the population boomed, the banhammer started falling more frequently due to the increase in people who can't tell the difference between a civil argument and a flame fight and this made people afraid of expressing controversial opinions. Just a thought though. I'm not, in any way, blaming the mods and admins for being too strict here.

Lost In The Void said:
For the most part I like to type a lengthy response however as cuddly said, sometimes it can all be for naught if someone just TD;LR's it. That and I'm also only an average essay writer, I'm much better at stories, or speeches IRL. The fact I'm good at stories is what makes me frequent the RP section more tan any other because it allows me to get my creative outlet and I know someone will read my 2000 word post, especially if I'm the GM.
This might sound stupid but I started feeling more comfortable with communicating in English and started putting extra effort into being as unambiguous as possible when I started talking about more serious and controversial matters on forums. I'm no great essay writer either, but I feel I'm easier understood than I used to be before discussing more serious topics online. If I'm not well understood now, you can imagine how bad it was before.
It's a great exercise though. The blog post linked on the previous page has a great point to make about cultural backgrounds and how it affects language. I feel that conversing with so many people from all parts of the world helps make you more understandable in general since you start realising that certain things you say and the way you explain things fails to be understood by anyone who's not from a similar background.
 

SantoUno

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This is mostly due to lazyness, or the fact that the subject asks for opinion rather than discussion. A lot of people make their posts quite short just for the sake of posting, which is pathetic really. The only reason I ever make short posts is because I can't really say any more but still wish to leave my word on the subject.

I don't see why it should bother you, the forums are still a fun place to post and read other people's views, at least when they are not disrespecting other groups of people here.