Well this gets them off the hook for the Sony attacks then, they were too busy having a slap fight.
Disgruntled Anonymous Faction Maliciously Attacks Anonymous
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This is one of the main problems with a group that supposedly has no heirarchy, organisation or chain of command, after a while you're gonna find individuals who attempt to exert control regardless (odds are on you're gonna be faced with more than one person thinking this way as well).
With no main centre of authority or command any fights or 'civil wars' will not only end up being more along the lines of aggrivated people lashing out at who they think deserves it but will ultimately just shows why unaccountability and anonymity are bad qualities for a group to posess (especially those who are intent on tackling large issues and instigating change), these are things which will inherantly fuel paranoia in others which will only lead to more conflict.
As these petty exchanges continue you'll have people on all sides feeling bitter and wronged and wanting to get back at their 'attackers' (and what better way to get back at someone who counts on their anonymity and lack of accountability than to reveal their identity and actions to the public), after a while it'll become very clear that the 'big bad Anomymous' really isn't untouchable after all.
Just my prediction of what infighting in Anonymous would eventually result in.
With no main centre of authority or command any fights or 'civil wars' will not only end up being more along the lines of aggrivated people lashing out at who they think deserves it but will ultimately just shows why unaccountability and anonymity are bad qualities for a group to posess (especially those who are intent on tackling large issues and instigating change), these are things which will inherantly fuel paranoia in others which will only lead to more conflict.
As these petty exchanges continue you'll have people on all sides feeling bitter and wronged and wanting to get back at their 'attackers' (and what better way to get back at someone who counts on their anonymity and lack of accountability than to reveal their identity and actions to the public), after a while it'll become very clear that the 'big bad Anomymous' really isn't untouchable after all.
Just my prediction of what infighting in Anonymous would eventually result in.
There are some quite interresting stuff in the PM logs, looking at the most recent, there's a couple of messages from "Tux" to "Owen" who was kinda a main person.
It involves Tux getting a "tip"
this is what i found:
Tux -> owen: I've just received a tip
Tux -> owen: That we will go under another ddos attack.
Tux -> owen: This time by another group
Tux -> owen: Aka helldive.
Tux -> owen: I suggest we discuss
Tux -> owen: Alternative IRCs
That's something i found interresting
Looking at the approximate date of these messages (Some of the newest of the logs before they crashed/got hacked
It involves Tux getting a "tip"
this is what i found:
Tux -> owen: I've just received a tip
Tux -> owen: That we will go under another ddos attack.
Tux -> owen: This time by another group
Tux -> owen: Aka helldive.
Tux -> owen: I suggest we discuss
Tux -> owen: Alternative IRCs
That's something i found interresting
Looking at the approximate date of these messages (Some of the newest of the logs before they crashed/got hacked
How do I give you Internet points for that? Seriously, do you have a PO box I could sen cookies to?cursedseishi said:
Also, Anon vs Anon, the battle that will destroy the Internet.
Y'know, people keep saying that there are so many neckbeards and other types of basement dwellers on 4chan, but I'm fairly sure that those types of people are alot more prominent on sites such as The Escapist than on 4chan. Just saying that it's kinda the pot calling the kettle black.Daystar Clarion said:
As I see it, the problem is the message and the meaning have become two utterly different things. The idea of Anonymous was birthed from being for the lulz, but the minute someone even briefly attached a meaning or greater purpose to the actions... well, you get AnonOps and groups like them. And there's really not a damn thing that can be done about it, when the message gets consumed by the meaning others decide to ascribe to it. See also, religion. Which one? Take your pick. See how many splinter groups you get from interpreting one holy document of your choosing. And at least those groups have a book to refer to. Anons have... well, the internet. Beyond that? Depends on what they believe in and why they show up. Who invited them, or if they invited themselves.CosmicCommander said:
Ironically, your decrying them for attaching identity and purpose to Anonymous actually indicates you yourself already have in your mind a clear concise picture of the One True Anonymous... which means you attached a specific identity and purpose to the concept as well. The door swings both ways on that, and regardless of if that was the original concept or not, time distorts all things.
Going back more on topic, in some vain attempt to tie this all together, this fight will be brutal and ugly if it goes down. Neither side is likely to be willing to back off, and if anyone knows how to engage in 'unconventional war' on the net, it'd be the dogs in this fight. Ironically, all this will likely create is a hell of a lot of splinter groups, rallying around whatever new websites and chat areas spring up in the aftermath... Ryan's insane effort to remove the leadership may only create hordes of new groups and new leaders. Give those groups a year, and each one's concept of what Anon means will differ from the next. Should be interesting/amusing/frightening to see what develops. Nothing engages and radicalizes like shaking up the status quo.
How is this a major threat?? Anonymous is plainly everyone surfing on many other parts of the internet...
Even if that were the case, it still doesn't apply to me, so I'm not a hypocrite for saying it.Di said:
i was so into that article that i accidentally dropped my coffee when setting it on the table.geizr said:
DAMN YOU ANONYMOUS!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
From what I've gathered so far this whole thing isn't as serious as one would imagine by reading a couple of articles. It just seems to be an ego vs ego match... on IRC... yeeeah, that props up a few speculations whether or not the whole thing should have made the news.
Although, I have to admit that it would make a pretty cool espionage film, if the people making it were given some artistic liberties.
Although, I have to admit that it would make a pretty cool espionage film, if the people making it were given some artistic liberties.
