Which the game seems to be doing, based only on the review.Five stars. This is as good as gaming currently gets, the crème de la crème. This doesn't imply perfection, merely that the experience you'll have will be exceptionally enjoyable.
Oh, I'm not implying the game's not fun. It probably is a hell lot of fun. But let's examine it in the context of Mass Effect 2. Hell of a lot of fun, but the fact that you had to stick with Cerberus always left that niggling feeling at the back of my mind, even more so since my character's entire team was killed on Akuze by a Cerberus experiment, so that every fiber of my body was screaming to get away from them.Res Plus said:Interesting, a Marxist deconstruction of the plot!Farther than stars said:"Loyalists" are your benefactors, eh? Too bad the game forces you into a perspective in which you strive for birthright as being the defining attribute of just leadership.
Actually, as far as I can see, you are mostly motivated by your close personal relationship with the empress and her kid. There is no suggestion the role of lord protector is hereditary, seems ruthlessly competency based.
The game is bloody brillant btw.
The phrase "individual rights" didn't even enter the lexicon until the 18th century (via Thomas Paine, in fact).Farther than stars said:Oh, I'm not implying the game's not fun. It probably is a hell lot of fun. But let's examine it in the context of Mass Effect 2. Hell of a lot of fun, but the fact that you had to stick with Cerberus always left that niggling feeling at the back of my mind, even more so since my character's entire team was killed on Akuze by a Cerberus experiment, so that every fiber of my body was screaming to get away from them.Res Plus said:Interesting, a Marxist deconstruction of the plot!Farther than stars said:"Loyalists" are your benefactors, eh? Too bad the game forces you into a perspective in which you strive for birthright as being the defining attribute of just leadership.
Actually, as far as I can see, you are mostly motivated by your close personal relationship with the empress and her kid. There is no suggestion the role of lord protector is hereditary, seems ruthlessly competency based.
The game is bloody brillant btw.
I figure I'd have the same kind of feeling with Dishonored. It doesn't matter why you're working for them, what matter is that you're working for them. Of course with Mass Effect 2 you always have that excuse of "but... the galaxy needs saving", which is kind of a good cop-out to set aside your morals.But with Dishonored, if you're staying loyal to the empress, all you're really doing is preferring one dictatorial rule to another.
And let's not forget, loyalist protectors tend not to be your most individualistic type of person, which is exactly what I want in a game that's about choices: the choice to be who I really want to be. The fact that that's limited to the archaic imagery they've chosen to work from will probably taint the story for me in the same way that Mass Effect 2's story will always be tainted to me.
P.S. Technically it's a democratic (or republican) deconstruction of the plot, but thanks for noticing.
You said it, "opinion". I've played first-person stealth games and I've liked them. And the platforming worked really well in this game. So I liked it. If you're of the very strange opinion that Thief was a bad game [and not even that you just didn't like it] then you aren't going to like this game. It's still not the game's, or the genre's, fault.Kopikatsu said:No offense, but have you played a game with a heavy focus on first person platforming or first person stealth? Because it's not bias, that camera scheme just isn't any good at either of those things.
Even if you work really hard to make it work like what was done in Mirror's Edge, it's still pretty awful. ('Course, the opinion part of this is my thinking that Mirror's Edge and Thief were bad games)
I agree. Giving a game with gameplay flaws, graphics and visual style not fantastic and very run-of-the-mill story a 100% can only mean low standards. This is another game like Bioshock which I just can't understand why it got such high reviews. The only thing I can think of is the hype combined with the lack of other stealth games recently.Anoni Mus said:Sorry, but a game with really outdated visuals (not that I mind those) and some gameplay flaws does not deserve a 10/10.
Read the escapist's review score definitions:Blood Brain Barrier said:I agree. Giving a game with gameplay flaws, graphics and visual style not fantastic and very run-of-the-mill story a 100% can only mean low standards. This is another game like Bioshock which I just can't understand why it got such high reviews. The only thing I can think of is the hype combined with the lack of other stealth games recently.Anoni Mus said:Sorry, but a game with really outdated visuals (not that I mind those) and some gameplay flaws does not deserve a 10/10.
That's just it. From what I've played my experience wasn't exceptionally enjoyable.lotr rocks 0 said:Five stars. This is as good as gaming currently gets, the creme de la creme. This doesn't imply perfection, merely that the experience you'll have will be exceptionally enjoyable.
There's a very clear difference to me between a game which has a few small quirks which don't overall detract from the game and one which has glaringly obvious flaws that ruin your enjoyment of an otherwise decent game.Blood Brain Barrier said:That's just it. From what I've played my experience wasn't exceptionally enjoyable.lotr rocks 0 said:Five stars. This is as good as gaming currently gets, the creme de la creme. This doesn't imply perfection, merely that the experience you'll have will be exceptionally enjoyable.
But it's pointless to argue. There are just some games which I don't understand the praise for and this one is in that category for me.
Back to the review, I do think it's poor form that the fact a game 'isn't perfect' is always used to justify a 5-star review, but low scoring reviews always pick on points of imperfection. It doesn't make sense to me.
Well it's not so much about opinions about a game as it is about the purpose of reviews in general.lotr rocks 0 said:The point I'm trying to make is that Risen's flaws begin to add up and make me wish for a game that was like Risen, but better and without the flaws of the game. I don't feel this way at all about Dishonored. The only thing that I feel is really missing from dishonored is a few more options for non-lethal takedowns other than sleep darts and the choke hold, which quickly becomes repetitive. But I understand why you're limited in this way: because it adds challenge for what should be the hardest style of play. And honestly, I can't even think of other ways to implement silent, non lethal takedowns anyway. This is why I would give Dishonored a 5 star rating and Risen a 3 star rating. Both are good games in their own rights, but one suffers from many flaws which make me wish for something more, while the other has nearly no flaws that I can point out.
But yeah, these are all opinions. You're entitled to yours just as much as I'm entitled to mine, and Susan is entitled to hers. You're free to disagree with me on my opinion, but I don't think it's fair to say that Susan and I fell victim to the hype or that our opinions are in some way biased and therefore wrong because we feel the game deserves a 5 star rating.
The difference being, however, that when watching a film, you're not acting from your own perspective. You are disconnected with all the characters on the screen. With a game, however, and especially a first-person one, the way you play it is logically affected by our modern-age liberalistic views.ResonanceGames said:The phrase "individual rights" didn't even enter the lexicon until the 18th century (via Thomas Paine, in fact).
Dishonored's society is the equivalent of several hundred years before that - mostly inspired by London circa 1666. What you're proposing is that Corvo either be wildly anachronistic within the framework of the game, or that he be the most progressive and brilliant social philosopher in Dunwall.
It would be as cringeworthy as when they did all that in Braveheart.
Aint just you, but to me it was worth 5 starts. And to Susan it was worth 5 stars.... Saying that we only liked the game because of hype (One example) is a bit.. insulting to our intelligence isnt it?Blood Brain Barrier said:That's just it. From what I've played my experience wasn't exceptionally enjoyable.lotr rocks 0 said:Five stars. This is as good as gaming currently gets, the creme de la creme. This doesn't imply perfection, merely that the experience you'll have will be exceptionally enjoyable.