Disrespecting a "classic"

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ElectroJosh

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Some books in school I liked, some I didn't. I understand that studying them is more than fostering a desire to read and to help people better understand language, literature and its development. All good goals. I did find it was easier to study the works I enjoyed (Animal Farm, 1984, Othello) than the stuff I didn't (anything Jane Austen).

Some problems with a lot of the classics, in literature (but the general concepts can apply to other things), is that:

1) They are written from a time long past so require some interpretation.

2) They represent early development of certain literary forms and so seem clunky by today's standards.

3) They are aimed at adults with a good sense of reading comprehension (because literacy was only in the hands of the few).

Usually its a combination of the above (along with other, specific, issues with the work its self) that hamper people's enjoyment. If a work is boring because the story isn't interesting or well-told; its status as a "classic" should not mean you can't say so. Many of the great works were great in their day - the reason they are worth studying are not due to how fun they are.

One of my english teachers suggested that any reading is useful as the more you do it the better you will be. He told kids who weren't good at it to try reading comics because you can get greater context through the pictures but the stories (and language) are usually aimed at teenagers. I wonder if teaching books that are more interesting to kids would be a better idea and save the drier works for literature students and adults with more patience. You will never please everybody (hell I loved 1984 when we learnt it but about a 3rd of the class couldn't stand it - the same class did Pride and Prejudice next and the demographics switched).
 

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OhJohnNo said:
Soo... you don't like nuance in works of fiction?

I just...couldn't find anything to like about the side plots in that book. The main interesting mystery, to me, was what these poor little Hobbits were going to deal with on the way to destroy this evil thing. That was the sales pitch of the book, and everything else felt *so* irrelevant to the "main plot" of the book, that I felt like I was reading an entirely different story.

Nuance implies subtlety. Tolkien's side plots are about as subtle as a brick to the face. He's writing about two or three books between the *same covers.* It's...I don't know, weird. I like it when all the plots gather together and make sense in the end, but really, I didn't find that much to tie the plots in LotR together in time for me to care.
 

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So, about a week ago, my English class finished reading Our Town by Thorton Wilder. I was first intrigued by the play as I usually am by required reading books, and like the other books I gave it a shot.

It sucked. Please note this is coming from somebody who has loved every book that a teacher has put before him. I just want to clarify a few reasons why so I can get this out of my system. Also, this is going into spoiler territory (not like you should care).

The book has no conflict. That's the first thing you need to know. There is literally no turns of the plot, nay, any plot until the 3rd act. Now, I'll give the play credit for focusing a lot on characterization, but when that's all that's happening for 2/3rds of your book, then you're doing it wrong.

The big allegory/twist/pretentiousness-ball of the play is that the first 2 acts show normal life in childhood and adulthood respectively, and the 3rd act turns around and shows the harsh reality of death to prove a lesson about living life to its fullest and appreciating every day and not taking things for zzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzz.

Now, while I will say that this turn in the story is pretty novel, I just feel like it can't excuse the rest of the play being senseless build-up. Not to mention a twist that gets extremely cheesy in its delivery.

Emily Webb: Goodbye world! Goodbye Grover's Corners [the town], Mama and Papa... Goodbye to the clocks ticking, and my butternut tree...
You get the idea.

Maybe I wouldn't be so mad at the book if the author wasn't so damned pleased with how genius he was.

Emily:Do any human beings ever realize life while they live it -- every, every minute?

Stage Manager: No. The saints and poets, maybe ? they do some
Oh fuck you.

You see, it's one of those "classics" which are only considered so because they're old, and have a criticism proof flame shield of saying "you just didn't get it" or "you don't appreciate life like he did" to anyone like me who points to this as a bunch of crap. Don't get me wrong, people should live life to its fullest; but using that universally condoned lesson to block out any sense of critical writing isn't acceptable, at least not in my standards

tldr: What "classic"/required reading books do you hate, and (in detail) why? Please don't just say it sucked and walk away.
*hugs*

I HATED Our Town. And no one else agreed with me.
 

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Let's see... there's a lot...
- Lord of the Flies (waaaaaay to much symbolism; almost to the point where there was more of it than interesting plot)
- David Copperfield (I know Dickens was paid by the word but it doesn't make the description any less monotonous)
- To Kill a Mockingbird (just didn't think it was all that interesting; I might like it now as I've grown intellectually but I don't want to try again)
- Lord of the Rings (willing to try again though)

There's more but it's late and I'm tired.
 

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I had to read Ethan Frome in high school and it was pretty unpleasant. Essentially it's the story of a guy who kind of wants to cheat on his wife with her cousin, and in despair they both ride a sled into a tree.
 

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Assuming it's still even considered a classic, InuYasha. The story has a lot of potential, but the writers have no idea how to shape it well. At least three of the heroes (InuYasha, Kagome, Shippo) have a tendency to be very annoying, the main villain, Naraku, is a Villain Sue who is too stupid to use his overwhelming advantage to kill the heroes while he has the chance and the plot drags after the Band of Seven arc. I've heard Ranma 1/2 is the better work, but from what I've heard, I'm not holding my breath. Honestly, I don't see why Rumiko Takahashi gets the praise she gets, when she comes across as an average writer, at best.
 

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Pharsalus said:
All that being said I gotta take a shot at the kids here who like the prequels more than the original trilogy of Star Wars movies. Really ya'll, effing really!?

http://redlettermedia.com/plinkett/star-wars/

Please watch these, that you might grow and understand the error of your ways.
The prequels have their many problems, undoubtedly, but if any of those people who nit-pick those movies to the absolute tiniest details would turn such a critical eye to the original trilogy, they would also find numerous lame flaws.

I really don't think the original trilogy has aged well. It has from an audio/visual standpoint, but the characters are incredibly stock, especially in New Hope, and the plot format, the Joseph Campbell-defined one, had been around decades before it popped up, which makes it look even more cliche today. People were mostly wowed by the presentation of these movies, I don't recall many people who were in their mid-20's to 30's when they first saw it remarking on much more that the visuals and music.

Also, if Leia knew the Empire was tracking them from their escape from the Death Star, why did go straight to the rebel base where they could find them and fire a gigantic laser at them?

Furthermore, I never understood why so many people idolize Empire Strikes Back. Empire only got really good once they got to Cloud City. The only other constant piece of quality was Darth Vader, who was at his best in this movie. Other than that, the entire Hoth sequence was slow and predictable, the AT-ATs and AT-STs are top heavy, poorly designed vehicles of war, and I think Han/Leia's dialog is just as lame and poorly written as Anakin/Padme(scruffy looking nerf-herder? Oooooh, what a harsh insult), and their banter has sadly become some sort of high mark in writing couples despite it looking really lazy. Until they get to Cloud City, Han is immature to the point of absolute stupidity, especially in the asteroid field. And why didn't everyone get sucked out into space when the Falcon opened up inside the asteroid worm? They weren't wearing any suits or anything so Han, Leia, Chewie, and C-3PO should have all been dead at that very moment. No more incentive for Luke, Rebels lose, game over. That's what should have happened. Same thing that probably should have happened at the end of Aliens. And how did Luke not die from his fall after learning about his father? Such a large drop, and he's unscathed.

And while Jedi might be a considerable retread of New Hope, I think the main protagonist's actors give their best performances in this movie, and the set pieces are the most consistently entertaining. At least I think so. And the Ewoks never really bothered me. Debris from Death Star II still should have completely wiped out that section of the forest.

Really, I've heard so many rabid Star Wars fans suck on Empire's dick and cover their ears and shout "Lalalala, I'm not listening" whenever anyone tries to bring up flaws in the original trilogy that its left me a bit more bitter to the films than they deserve.
You bring up valid points, the original trilogy is not perfect, and there are plot holes, but they are still better movies. The writing is better, the characters actually evolve in front of you rather than off screen. The scripting is terrible; I was in middle school when episode 1 came out and was absolutely convinced I could write a better script. The special effects and use of models rather than cgi is far more compelling. I'm not going to nitpick anymore, plinkett does it better, but it is my strong opinion that the original trilogy are simply better movies.
 

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I can't seem to get into anything Austen, it just doesn't click.

I also find Atlas Shrugged so dull as to be impenetrable, which may, if I am lead to believe rightly, be to my advantage.
 

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Finnegan's Wake, definitely. It's one of these "higher education" classics that always gets you marks if you can mention it. It's one of those books you *have* to mention at least once if you're around a literary group of a certain type, or else you have no cred in their eyes.

I specialize in Horror and Popular Literature. I've read my classics in order to have something that vaguely *approaches* a developed culture, but James Joyce is one of those guys I'm left scratching my head at. Most of what he does is long and overly descriptive, and I *guess* "Finnegan's" has the author's love of word games and new constructions giving it some credit, but I honestly feel like some of my lit geek friends are the kind of guys who think that making a drinking game out of the number of times Joyce will force you to hit the dictionary or thesaurus is fun.

I'm not one of those types of lit geeks. Give me a book, I want to read it cover to cover and not stop every five minutes to go and consult this word or that quotation somewhere. That just annoys me to no end. I mean, it's more or less expected, as some authors might have a greater level of vocabulary I can profit from, but Joyce? He's not putting his vocabulary to any commendable use - he's puking words all over the goddamn page!

Jack Kerouac more or less has the same problem. I've read "The Subterraneans" cover to cover, but the only thing I was left with after I was done was a pretty acute sense of "Dafuq did I just read?".

Although, for the worst of all cases of Reader's Dislocation, I'd say you have to check out William Burroughs' "The Naked Lunch". That shit be whack, seriously.
 

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I just couldn't get into the Godfather I tried... I really did.
Perhaps its because I heard all the lines in other movies that ripped it off.

2001 Space Odyssey was sort of cool, but was boring to me too. Then again I was a little kid I should go back and watch it again. I loved 2010 Space Odyssey it made me sad.
 

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Shakespeare, the story is just, dull. I read The Taming of the Shrew and Romeo and Juliet.

Both sucked. Also the Catcher in the Rye, just no story.
 

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While I don't particular despise any classic literature,except maybe The Scarlet Letter and that is for thick prose more than anything,I abhor this idea that modern literature is all trash.Note when I say modern literature I mean literature in the last 20 years. To be fair a good bit of it is trash but to classify it all as such just because it's modern is infuriating.
 

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Tanis said:
Most books I was 'forced to read' in HS sucked.

Wuthering Height?
Boring, stupid, poorly written, crap that has loads and loads of mindless run on sentences that go around no to where but just keep going until you're forced to flip the page and it does this why trying to so 'posh' and 'shocking because OMG LUVEZ' bullshit.

Srsly? Screw that book.
Agreed. I hate those kinds of books because nothing. fucking. HAPPENS!. Classic my eye! (Okay, maybe for the time it was good, but nowadays it really doesn't work...)
 

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Lunar Templar said:
i to this day, still hate Akira.
I watched it for the first time a few months ago, after hearing SO much about how amazing and inspiring it was and how it set the bar for anime, etc etc. It finished and I was thinking "What...? Why the heck is this so loved!?"
 

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I generally dislike classic literature, not not because of the literature itself, but more because of what made it considered a classic in the first place. In my senior AP English class I wanted to read H.P. Lovecraft's At the Mountains of Madness for my quarter reading project, but my teacher would not allow me to read it citing that it wasn't "AP material". Never mind the fact that this one author pretty much inspired an entire century of fiction writing and his diction and syntax is far higher than many other authors who were considered to be "AP worthy", but her dismissal of anything that was outside the bounds of period piece melodrama pretty much made me dislike a lot of classic literature. It's also also kind of the same reason why I generally don't participate in discussions about The Beatles or Radiohead, because it just seems to be the same stuff said over and over about it, without any real thought given to unheard classics, or heaven forbid, something written within the last 50 years.

Basically I'll leave classics to the academics to tongue bath, I'll go over here and actually enjoy my literature.
 

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Auron225 said:
Lunar Templar said:
i to this day, still hate Akira.
I watched it for the first time a few months ago, after hearing SO much about how amazing and inspiring it was and how it set the bar for anime, etc etc. It finished and I was thinking "What...? Why the heck is this so loved!?"
that was pretty much my experience to, it feel 7 hours long to you? cause it did to me
 
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Let's see...

I hated Catcher in the Rye. I do "get it", fans. I do understand what Holden's character is supposed to be. He is an annoying brat, far too similar to the assholes I had to deal with in high school.

I was also not a fan of Pride and Prejudice. It is the only book that was required reading that I didn't read all the way through. For its time, it was a revolutionary book. Unfortunately, that time was 150 years ago, and it has not aged as well as, say, Frankenstein.

Finally, it pains me to say this as a fan of fantasy books, but I just could not get into "Wheel of Time". It was dull for me. It was too big on descriptions and too small on actual action for me.

Oh, and while I liked it, "The Godfather" is largely overrated. I liked the story, and the acting was good, but the pacing was just abysmal. There was no reason for it to be nearly 3 hours long.
 

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Lunar Templar said:
Auron225 said:
Lunar Templar said:
i to this day, still hate Akira.
I watched it for the first time a few months ago, after hearing SO much about how amazing and inspiring it was and how it set the bar for anime, etc etc. It finished and I was thinking "What...? Why the heck is this so loved!?"
that was pretty much my experience to, it feel 7 hours long to you? cause it did to me
You're telling me it WASN'T 7 hours??
 

Lunar Templar

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Auron225 said:
Lunar Templar said:
Auron225 said:
Lunar Templar said:
i to this day, still hate Akira.
I watched it for the first time a few months ago, after hearing SO much about how amazing and inspiring it was and how it set the bar for anime, etc etc. It finished and I was thinking "What...? Why the heck is this so loved!?"
that was pretty much my experience to, it feel 7 hours long to you? cause it did to me
You're telling me it WASN'T 7 hours??
apparently not, doesn't really change that's what it felt like
 

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Anybody had to read Silas Marner? I'm not sure why we did, it's hardly a classic. But my god, it is SO bad. The book feels like Eliot stopped at several points and went "Hmmm, this needs to be longer. What unexciting shit can happen now?"

And I agree with the comments re: A New Hope. After 18 years avoiding it, I finally decided to give Star Wars a chance and started - obviously - with the first one. Or the fourth one. Ffs, George. Anyway, it wasn't bad...it just felt like any other sci-fi movie with nothing much to distinguish it. Give me Flash Gordon any day. At least that had Brian Blessed in it.