Those are immature and insecure people who can't deal with the world changing. Ignore and move on.
Dissing Mass Effect Andromeda because it has diversity and equality
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Insignificant you say? [http://www.cracked.com/blog/why-beauty-beast-isnt-nearly-gay-enough/]Adam Jensen said:
OT; People will hate anything if they think it will give then a few seconds of attention.
The stupid flows freely from both sides of the spectrum. Some exceptional folk [https://heatst.com/gaming/outrage-after-mass-effect-character-revealed-to-be-not-gay/] on Twitter [https://twitter.com/search?f=tweets&vertical=default&q=cora%20straight&src=typd] got very upset that a "queer coded" character wasn't actually gay. False advertising! Sad!
[sub]Make Haircuts Gay Again![/sub]
[sub]Make Haircuts Gay Again![/sub]
Not even surprising any more.
Like, I get it, those animations are pretty average. But to single out anyone for harassment is shit behaviour, especially for shitty reasons.
And let's be honest, a lot of people have been wanting this game to take a fall. Either because they've still got hurt fee-fees about the ending to 3, the direction the company has gone under EA, social justice warriors, or that one racist dickhead developer (did he not get fired? I heard people say that, but haven't heard anything to confirm). That's why everyone jumped on the animation issues even though they're really not that much worse than other games in the class like Fallout 4, Horizon or even Witcher 3, dare I say it.
All the better if you can pin it on a woman and work out a load of resentment at the same time.
Like, I get it, those animations are pretty average. But to single out anyone for harassment is shit behaviour, especially for shitty reasons.
And let's be honest, a lot of people have been wanting this game to take a fall. Either because they've still got hurt fee-fees about the ending to 3, the direction the company has gone under EA, social justice warriors, or that one racist dickhead developer (did he not get fired? I heard people say that, but haven't heard anything to confirm). That's why everyone jumped on the animation issues even though they're really not that much worse than other games in the class like Fallout 4, Horizon or even Witcher 3, dare I say it.
All the better if you can pin it on a woman and work out a load of resentment at the same time.
The default characters are as the whitest, the custom ones cant be as white as them, that is what they are complaining about.RiseOfTheWhiteWolf said:
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They actually admitted to want to be more diverse in their staff and that it was wrong to have a full white male staff (Manveer Heir, the subtle gentleman already posted here), so that is the only reasonable justification to hire a 24 year old person (it doesnt matter if its male or female) to be lead anything of a 40 million plus budget game.Nature Guardian said:
games which came out 2 years ago by the way, and also i think you're waaaay glossing over how bad the animations are in comparison (heck fallout 4 is kinda the bare min for passable facial expressions)Kingjackl said:
also "fee fee's on the ending of 3?" c'mon, grow up. most people don't care about that and the ones that did became SJW's, everyone knows that
as for wanting to see it taking the fall, i kinda find that a bit of a pessimistic view of of players in general, personally i haven't been given a reason to care one way or another
except for Manveer Heir (the racist game dave) who was not fired and in fact stated that the higher ups in bioware supported his comments, that kinda turned me off a bit (only brief research on this so i'm open to correction on this)
DA:Origins was never very good looking though.Zhukov said:
If you compare what we've seen of Andromeda with Inquisition they're obviously using some new animation technique. And it's making it look worse then before. There's an added level of realism that makes the wonkiness look even wonkier. Sarah Ryder's face is the poster child of this now. It's not the design of the face itself, but what's going on underneath that's making things look incredibly screwy. In many shots the symmetry is way off, looking like half of her face is hanging limp. And in others there's no expression other than her now famous weird smile.
The characters in previous Bioware games looked more mannequin-like, so the expressions didn't come off as unnatural as they do now. The only human-faced character that I've seen in Andromeda that generally looks fine to me is actually PeeBee, everyone else has disturbing clay faces.
The thing is.. I genuinely don't think the artists understood what they were going for there, which for a company which aims so heavily for queer inclusion is kind of shit.bastardofmelbourne said:
Undercuts are fine. Straight women have undercuts now. Straight men have undercuts now. But there's a difference between making a character with an unconventional style or a masculine look and making a character who, if they were a real person, would have long ago got really really sick of being hit on by girls and just moved their parting a bit or shaved their undercut down fully or any of the other things which would stop them being obvious queerbait.
Like, there are signals which queer people, and especially lesbians and bi women (who don't have the wealth of facilities men do to hook up) use to show each other that they're gay. One of those signals is hair. Like, you all know this really.. that's why you all spent your teenage years running around shrieking at each other for expressing the slightest bit of the ghey in your dress, hair or mannerisms.
There's also a bunch of community politics involved, because gay female romances in videogames have to be written to be sexy to both men and women despite the fact they usually like very different things. A lot of gay women like butch women, but the butch/femme (or butch/butch) dynamic is less accessible to straight men than femme/femme. Gay women in general, do not like the way they are sexualized by straight men and the persistent lack of butch lesbian characters in queer exclusive stories is kind of a part of that.
In short, A lot of people don't seem to be getting that there's a big difference between a stereotype, which is an externally imposed standard, and a system of voluntary cultural representation. Queer fashion exists for a reason, usually the reason is to help queer people recognise each other so they can fuck or at least have decent conversations.
That said, it is a bit silly and some of the people calling it out on twitter have decent points, just not the article you linked to or the vast majority of responses.
I just don't want to see another beloved franchise and studio go the way of so many others under EA's defiling tentacles. Would that be too much to ask? After Bullfrog and Westwood, does Bioware have to go the same way? I am praying for a good game (but none too hopeful) for no other reason than not to see another of my old favourites be stuffed and used as a carney attraction to fleece money from rubes.
Struggling to remember who said that the Asari all had to be pretty, even then the Asari squad mate wasn't ugly. Just not built like a super model.felbot said:
No, that's broadly true [https://i.imgur.com/r0vxSNc.png], at least according to Heir himself.zellosoli said:
The man himself sounds like an extremely unlikeable person, but that's distinct from whatever skills he possesses in game design. From what I hear the gameplay is the only good thing about Andromeda, so he may well know his shit. In which case...I guess don't fire him? I don't want to be the guy who says "you must fire this man because of an unrelated thing he said on Twitter!" because then I'd feel pretty dang hypocritical.
Though it'd be nice if he could at least get a stern rebuke from his boss for being deliberately obnoxious [https://lucien0maverick.files.wordpress.com/2016/08/manveer-heir-white-tears.jpg]. I mean, there's "have a rational discussion about systemic racial privilege" and then there's "trolling." I'll let you guess which one Heir's more enthusiastic about.
I like "ugly" characters too, when they're like that by design. But that's not the case of ME:A. They clearly were aiming for decent to pretty looking characters, but then butchered it by screwy execution. That's why so many people are making fun of how characters in this game look and act. Because they look unintentionally goofy.Nature Guardian said:
Ok, is there any reason he's so hung up on her being a cosplayer? Any reason why that's such a big no no?RiseOfTheWhiteWolf said:
Oh, implying she slept with someone to get her position. Class-y.
Oh...and there's...you know. This.
https://twitter.com/bioware/status/843190432033005568
There's accusations of lying all over the fucking place, I have no idea what the fuck is going on, I just know that everyone is acting like cunts, your source included.
... Why do you need to be attracted to your squadmates to save the people?
I'm very curious about this. The mission is to save humanity. Are we going to refuse because not enough characters spur our genitals?
I'm very curious about this. The mission is to save humanity. Are we going to refuse because not enough characters spur our genitals?
No matter if she really was the Lead Facial Animator or not, sending her abusive messages is not ok. And with abusive I mean insults and threats, not harsh criticism.erttheking said:
This whole story is quite confusing, why would she claim to be the Lead Facial Animator, while Bioware denies it and she isn't even appearing in the game's credits? Something is fishy.