Tried to get into some of them I can for some others I cannot for example ealier this year I player Ni no kuni to completion first JRPG I had beaten in a long time I tried Final fantasy and I couldn't get into it I dont know why. Was considering getting a vita and trying Persona 4 but I was afraid I coudnt get into it so I didnt bother so do I hate JRPGS or do I only like certain ones.
Do I Hate JRPGS?
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What did you like about Ni no Kuni? What didn't you like about Final Fantasy (and which one(s) did you try, considering there are a lot of the buggers, and they all have differences)?
Anyway, to answer your question in a very non-specific way, you're never going to like every game in a genre, even if you absolutely love said genre, and JRPG is no exception.
Anyway, to answer your question in a very non-specific way, you're never going to like every game in a genre, even if you absolutely love said genre, and JRPG is no exception.
Does that mean you never did end up playing Persona 4? Because you should definitely play Persona 4. Right now. I'll wait. Persona 4 transcends genres with its quality don'tcha know.
Oh you could just play the (vastly superior) PS2 version if you don't have a Vita. 'S really cheap too.
Oh you could just play the (vastly superior) PS2 version if you don't have a Vita. 'S really cheap too.
So you tried two games in one genre and now you're afraid you hate the entire genre?
Just keep trying out JRPGs until you find one that is actually decent. There are a lot of people who swear by the greatness of JRPGs and seem to think that all of them are great without fault. I'm not even sure how that is possible as all genres of anything are subject to having both wonders and dross.
To be fair, you tried playing two JRPGs that only true JRPG fans would enjoy. As in, you need a background in JRPGs in order to really enjoy those games. What you need is an introductory JRPG. Something that balances out all of the best and worst features of your average JRPG into something that is vaguely entertaining.
Just keep trying out JRPGs until you find one that is actually decent. There are a lot of people who swear by the greatness of JRPGs and seem to think that all of them are great without fault. I'm not even sure how that is possible as all genres of anything are subject to having both wonders and dross.
To be fair, you tried playing two JRPGs that only true JRPG fans would enjoy. As in, you need a background in JRPGs in order to really enjoy those games. What you need is an introductory JRPG. Something that balances out all of the best and worst features of your average JRPG into something that is vaguely entertaining.
Or just don't. After all no one's forcing you (to clarify: not you, the OP) to play anything. If you just don't feel like playing games of some genre, and didn't really enjoy those games you tried out, they're probably simply not for you.Vern5 said:
Personally, I would just need to watch any trailer to remind myself that the stories, characters, and the style you tend to find in JRPGs are just not for me.
Even if Final Fantasy were the only JRPG you were to ever play, which one? There are fourteen of them out and another on the way and (although you could argue the formula is a same), they've changed pretty dramatically over the years. Final Fantasy 13 is a very different beast than the original or even number 6. Just because you've played one game in the series and hated it, doesn't mean you'll hate the whole franchise, since every game is mostly standalone and Square likes to experiment (for better or worse). If it was the very first game in the whole series you were playing, I highly suggest you try a different installment (I recommend 6-12).
If you want to play Persona 4, but don't want to buy a Vita, buy the PS2 version instead and try that one.
If you like Ni Ni Kuni, try a few other games from Level 5. I very highly recommend Dragon Quest 8
(this is probably the closest thing to Ni No Kuni I can think of in terms of aesthetic, gameplay and charm).
Rogue Galaxy is pretty fun (but you need to have a high tolerance for grinding).
Edit: You might also like the Tales series, which there are a ton of lately.
If you want to play Persona 4, but don't want to buy a Vita, buy the PS2 version instead and try that one.
If you like Ni Ni Kuni, try a few other games from Level 5. I very highly recommend Dragon Quest 8
(this is probably the closest thing to Ni No Kuni I can think of in terms of aesthetic, gameplay and charm).
Rogue Galaxy is pretty fun (but you need to have a high tolerance for grinding).
Edit: You might also like the Tales series, which there are a ton of lately.
Except that the OP played Ni No Kuni to completion (which implies they liked it and might want to try other games in the genre similar to Ni No Kuni).CloudAtlas said:
Well i'm of the opinion that most jRPGs today are garbage. Bad overly convoluted stories, boring formulaic characters and utterly uninspired combat systems.
There are ofc exceptions. Persona 4 is definitely one of them, as it excels in pretty much every area where the other crap fails. Story is interesting, great characters and a quick combat system. Tons of stuff to poke about with in between dungeons and all in all just a really good experience. Pretty much nails what jRPGs do well. That said, the Japanese school life setting might be off putting to some, so just be aware of that before getting the game (if you do, that is). Strongly recommended though.
I've been playing Bravely Default the last few days as well and i like it a lot. Back to basics. Simple yet enjoyable story, ok combat system that is also pretty fast and it's fun to try the different jobs. Well, at least the first 10 hours. I haven't finished it yet.
Other jRPGs that i personally think are great are the Suikoden games (mainly 1 and 2), Phantasy Star 4, Chrono Trigger/Cross and Final Fantasy XII. If you are in to strategy rpgs i would also suggest the Shining Force games and the original Final Fantasy Tactics. In general though, i think the genre is littered with really poor games, and a lot of games that get a lot praise even though they are quite mediocre (I'm looking at you, Final Fantasy). It's all about picking out the gems and leaving the other stuff...i guess the trick is to know what you like and what you don't like.
What was it you liked about Ni no kuni? What was it you disliked about the FF game you played, and which game was it?
There are ofc exceptions. Persona 4 is definitely one of them, as it excels in pretty much every area where the other crap fails. Story is interesting, great characters and a quick combat system. Tons of stuff to poke about with in between dungeons and all in all just a really good experience. Pretty much nails what jRPGs do well. That said, the Japanese school life setting might be off putting to some, so just be aware of that before getting the game (if you do, that is). Strongly recommended though.
I've been playing Bravely Default the last few days as well and i like it a lot. Back to basics. Simple yet enjoyable story, ok combat system that is also pretty fast and it's fun to try the different jobs. Well, at least the first 10 hours. I haven't finished it yet.
Other jRPGs that i personally think are great are the Suikoden games (mainly 1 and 2), Phantasy Star 4, Chrono Trigger/Cross and Final Fantasy XII. If you are in to strategy rpgs i would also suggest the Shining Force games and the original Final Fantasy Tactics. In general though, i think the genre is littered with really poor games, and a lot of games that get a lot praise even though they are quite mediocre (I'm looking at you, Final Fantasy). It's all about picking out the gems and leaving the other stuff...i guess the trick is to know what you like and what you don't like.
What was it you liked about Ni no kuni? What was it you disliked about the FF game you played, and which game was it?
Well, as far as I know, Ni no Kuni was more debated game, and Final Fantasy has had a really bad reputation every since the 13 series started. Still, if I were you, I would hold off buying a Vita for Persona 4. What you could do if you are still interested in trying out the JRPG genre is pick up the Kingdom Hearts HD 1.5 Remix, and if you like that, Kingdom Hearts 3 is finally in sight for a release sometime in the next few years. You may also look at the Tales series, and I believe the PS3 has both Tales of Graces and Tales of Xillia. Essentially, both Kingdom Hearts and Tales have better gameplay than most JRPGs, so you might be able to get into them more if lackluster gameplay was your problem with the other games. Also, from my experience, the Tales games tend to have some of the better written stories in the genre, though I hear Tales of Graces was rather weak in that department compared to the other games.Ryanrulez5 said:
I'm not sure what other systems you already have, but if you have a 360 you could pick up Tales of Vesperia, which didn't release on PS3 here in the U.S. The 3DS has Tales of the Abyss and Kingdom Hearts 3D: Dream Drop Distance. Also, if you have a Wii or WiiU, then you could get Xenoblade Chronicles (good luck finding it though[footnote]Nintendo botched the release of this game. Long story short, it is hard to find a copy, and even if you do, you may have to pay $90+ for a new copy.[/footnote]), The Last Story, or Pandora's Tower. I wouldn't pick up systems just to play these games, but if you already have them, they are something to look into.
As much as people hype Persona 4, I found Persona 3 to be as good and it's available on PSN so you could try it without buying a new console (and it's also better to play it in order since it's hard to go backwards mechanically).
It would help if you did try to figure out what you like/dislike about JRPGs and what you want from them. You don't hate to like an entire genre. If it's turn based combat you may want to try the Tales series. If you hate the power of friendship, skip Graces and play Xillia.
It would help if you did try to figure out what you like/dislike about JRPGs and what you want from them. You don't hate to like an entire genre. If it's turn based combat you may want to try the Tales series. If you hate the power of friendship, skip Graces and play Xillia.
Uh, don't try Persona 4 if you like interesting gameplay. The combat system is, unfortunately, a super bore. Also, don't try this if you like reasonable characters. Or being baited with options you can't actually do until new game plus. (Apparently.)The Wykydtron said:
Seriously guys? You're just gonna leave your friend in hell for a week or two before you save her? Goodjob, 'cause you know weather forecasts are so accurate.
However, it has a bunch of pretty colors and some pretty nice music.
If you like'em a bit more serious, Persona 3 would be more your thing, though as far as I know, only the portable ones gives you as many options for combat as P4 had.
Tales of Games, (avoiding sequels and Graces) are pretty good. While their storylines and writing isn't always stellar, the characters are all good and enjoyable while the combat system is way more involved then most RPG's.
...I'm actually a fan of JRPGs (mostly), and I dislike the Persona games (all of SMT, really). I also consider Final Fantasy to be a series that started sliding downhill at 7 (starting at pretty lofty heights, mind you. 7 is still quite good), then hit rock bottom at 10. It's been burrowing deeper since then.
My recommendation is to get a copy of Chrono Trigger and try it out. Pretty much the most accessible one ever made, and I say it has aged quite well. Plus, there's a version of it for damn near anything with a web browser (if you count the PS1 version being playable on PC, which all PS1 games are... so long as your PC has an optical drive of some kind).
My recommendation is to get a copy of Chrono Trigger and try it out. Pretty much the most accessible one ever made, and I say it has aged quite well. Plus, there's a version of it for damn near anything with a web browser (if you count the PS1 version being playable on PC, which all PS1 games are... so long as your PC has an optical drive of some kind).
Well that's true about pretty much every jRPG ever. The best you can hope for is a system that doesn't waste too much time. In that sense Persona 4 is a pretty mild offender. Encounters are over and done with quickly enough, and that's what saves it.Chaos Isaac said:
As for the characters...well, they are well written and all have a point to them. It's good crazy, not just bizarre.
As for chrono trigger. Yeah, good recommendation. Though i'd stay the f**k away from the PS1 version. It's the worst version of the game ever released on account of the dreadful loading times. Isn't it available on the Wii via virtual console? That'd probably be the way to go in that case, or if you can stomach the touch controls it's also available on ios and android for a reasonable price.
Try the Tales of Series (different names after "tales of" depending on console). They excist on PS, Xbox and Nintendo.
They have good combat, often good/interesting story, whiny asbitch main chars but good sidekicks / villains.
Loads of gameplay and simple enough for even me to understand everything in them (and that sais a lot ;D)
They have good combat, often good/interesting story, whiny asbitch main chars but good sidekicks / villains.
Loads of gameplay and simple enough for even me to understand everything in them (and that sais a lot ;D)
[sub][sub]Hold on which part of the endless NO YOU back and forth we have going am I using this time...[/sub][/sub]TizzytheTormentor said:
That Accomplice ending tho... Which drugs were they on when added that? Atlus pls. Just stop. Tacking random bits onto a perfectly good house /=/ immediately improved. I would have decent TV channels if so.
I'm only concerned because I love you Persona 4. You know I went on a week long spiritual journey once finishing Persona 4 to conclude it is fucking perfect. Shhhhhh, any arguments to contrary will be deal with with the Subjective Opinion LOL Hammer. It goes without saying that adding things to something that is already perfect is a little bit suspect to say the least.
Also I would have to buy a Vita for a game I already have and I already had to buy a 3DS for Dual Destinies alone. I'm not the biggest fan of handhelds myself so getting two would be totally out of character.
Wait why is the chibi Person 3 game a 3DS game if Golden is a Sony only deal? Atlus has a bit of a fast and loose relationship with the publishers it seems. Or they're farming multiple Social Links at once... Hold on i'm writing this conspiracy down.
How exactly does the combat in most JRPG's waste time? Couldn't that be said of most games? What makes JRPG's the main offender?[/quote]Rutabaga_swe said:
Well, to begin with it's obviously a generalization that doesn't apply to every game ever. That said, i find in general the jRPG combat lacks strategy and player involvement to a pretty large degree. I don't feel like i'm making very important decisions in most jRPG combat systems. You just keep on mashing attack until you need a heal and then you go back to mashing attack. Compared to other games with turn based combat it just comes out very flat to me. The combat usually just isn't very enjoyable, and feels like padding to justify the rest of the cutscenes and dialogues as a game. I mean remove the tedious combat form FF7 (just an example) and you've basically got a visual novel left. Now looking at a game like FFT, that is completely based around the combat and lacks the exploration that the other FF games have, it still keeps the combat fun while delivering a solid story. Actually, i think the Shining Force games are a pretty good example of melding strategic combat with regular jRPG exploration and character management. Though i suppose the "random encounters" in those games are really annoying as well.
I think the 3D FF games are some of the worst offenders when it comes to time wasting though. Overly long and bombastic summons, obligatory "swooosh!" in to battle, then pan around the battlefield for a bit, thoroughly showing off the characters and enemies before combat begins, then the same once the fight is over. That's why i like PSIV and Suikoden and so forth. The combat is quick and doesn't waste your damn time any more than it has to. In, kick some ass, done. Back to exploring.
But like i've said several times before; i'm not a huge fan of the genre any more. A lot of my love for anime and jRPGs died when i stopped romanticizing the crap out of Japan and Japanese culture
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Oh and as an after thought, in many other games combat encounters come as thought out challenges that you have to face, whereas 90% of the combat in jRPGs are boring random encounters that you do not because they are particularly fun, but because if you don't do them the bosses (the encounters that might be entertaining) will destroy you. It's padding and it's shit imo.
I'm not saying you're wrong, opinions and all, but this stuck out to me. How exactly is the PS2 version vastly superior to Golden? The latter is just the former with 200% of the content. Yeah, some of the extra scenarios were shamelessly fanservice-y and silly, but the extra time to spend with the characters and the actual foreshadowing and development of the true ending twist more than made up for it, to me.The Wykydtron said:
as to OP, you don't really give enough information to say. If you've truly never made it through a JRPG before Ni No Kuni... then yeah, you probably do hate them. XD
Ignore this guy and play Persona 3 instead! Vastly superior...The Wykydtron said:
Or you could try out games that look like Ni No Kuni or however you write it as it seems you liked that.
I'll recommend Valkyria Chronicles, thought it isn't really a ''rpg''.
Only JRPG I truly loved was Breath of Fire III. The problem with JRPG's and also with Diablo style of gameplay is that people would rather explore and do quests that actually change the game rather than just mindless grinding. I honestly think that was one of the biggest yet unspoken reason of why JRPGs and even dungeon crawlers like Diablo 3 get a lot of hate. RPG's have changed and these two styles of RPG's are getting stale.
How JRPG is too JRPG?
Is having only 2 out of your 8 character party dead, all of your stats debuffed, your onlu surviving healer with no MP, and you've just ran out of bullets, and the enemy is spamming insta-kill attacks that also function as debuffs?
If that's too JRPG, then don't try Shin Megami Tensei until you're... ready.
Besides, JRPGs aren't collective. You could say you hate shit because it smells, and all shit smells, and is disgusting. JRPGs do not follow the Shit Principal{copywrite... copywright?... [C]) and there are many out there.
Is having only 2 out of your 8 character party dead, all of your stats debuffed, your onlu surviving healer with no MP, and you've just ran out of bullets, and the enemy is spamming insta-kill attacks that also function as debuffs?
If that's too JRPG, then don't try Shin Megami Tensei until you're... ready.
Besides, JRPGs aren't collective. You could say you hate shit because it smells, and all shit smells, and is disgusting. JRPGs do not follow the Shit Principal{copywrite... copywright?... [C]) and there are many out there.
Why are you asking us to define your opinion to you. If you don't enjoy them then maybe they aren't for you. Maybe this was just a planetary alignment instead of the infinite power of christ. (Derp...)
I wasn't ever really into JRPGs, specially the new ones. I just can't get hang of combat system in which overpower... things... take turns to slap each other with miserably long turn timers.
Also I don't appreciate the "eye candy" - not my thing.
So I hate the mechanics, the plots and visuals. Not for me. Back to Crusader Kings 2 for me!
I wasn't ever really into JRPGs, specially the new ones. I just can't get hang of combat system in which overpower... things... take turns to slap each other with miserably long turn timers.
Also I don't appreciate the "eye candy" - not my thing.
So I hate the mechanics, the plots and visuals. Not for me. Back to Crusader Kings 2 for me!