Do nice guys really finish last?

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Hunter Grin

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Well my opinion is that the body isn't as important as the mind or personality. That being said I'm not going to date a hot dumb ass and not and ugly genius. My gf is like me in alot of ways so in my opinion if your a good guy you have the biggest chance to get the girl that is right for you
 

RaikuFA

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Here's the problem: ALL WOMEN ARE SHALLOW!!! GET OVER IT!!!

Until they stop being dickteases, they are not worth your time.
 

zombiesinc

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I find the whole "nice guys finish last" thing to be incredibly stupid. It implies that relationships are basic enough that if a guy fits a certain "mould" they'll either be liked, chosen, ignored, etc.

Relationships are far more complex than what kind of jeans a guy wears, or how patient he is when it comes to sex. Implying otherwise is quite naive. Hell, even implying that it somehow has mainly to do with the guy involved is just stupid. There are two people in any relationship [small](maybe more?)[/small], and those two people are incredibly complex. Why does it seem like so many people are interested in simplifying something so intricate, anyway? Or rather, why does it seem The Escapist userbase is so obsessed over saying it has to do with a woman's choice regarding the man? Well, I guess the majority of the userbase is men, right?

And yes, I realize that not everyone thinks from this perspective, but it's the ones that do that bother me so much.
 

Mudze

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In the short run, sure, but screw 100m dashes. When you're running the marathon, nice guys finish first.
 

littlewisp

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I've been dating a nice guy for the last . . .four years, we're engaged to be married and happy as anyone in a good relationship can be. Yes, he does finish last. Every time.

>:3

giggity.
 

Xman490

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Hallow said:
I'm a 21 year old virgin who's never had any form of romantic relationship with either sex. You have no right to complain.
Same here at 20. I guess it's both how assertive you/I is/am in starting the relationship and the interest of the other, which is apparently often low.
 

Titan Buttons

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The term "come down to her level" means to lower your standards and be as bad and/or demeaning as the other person, poor choice of words that don't work with what your saying. A better way to describe it is you 'left the honeymoon stage' or you 'took her off the pedestal you placed her on' because your not the one being high and mighty for praising her and just raising her up to something that is isn't.

No nice guys don't finish last because if your nice she has no reason to leave it's if you don't really have a personality, such as, your whole parise and talk to 24/7 concept which is actually a very clingy relationship and not all that normal.
Though always calling your GF a princess every time you see her is normal after all you love the girl and if you don't, why'd you even ask her out?

A longer relationship is better then many short ones every single time and anyone who says otherwise is a liar or has never had a genuin long term relatioship.
 

Vargras

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Nice guys don't always finish last. Me and my girlfriend (and soon-to-be fiance) got together simply because I was always nice and helped her out with things.
 

Andy Beaumont

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to be honest, nice guys finish last... in the sense of getting the girl in the end... yeh in high school girls may go for the more popular guys etc... but when it actually comes down to someone to LIVE with then nice guys come up tops...
nice guys seem to have the longer relationships is what i'm saying, try to find a dick of a guy that has a relationship longer than a year in high school, its hard because of the way they act.

personally i was basically best friends with this girl, she is interesting and we have loads of similar interests (she likes biology so looking up odd mutations in humans was several hours spent together once :p ) and we ended up going out and still are 2 years later.
 

lacktheknack

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Nice guys never win the hundred-yard dash.

However, the race of life is three miles long. It's a question of endurance.

(For those who don't metaphor, the hundred-yard dash is high school.)
 

z121231211

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Athinira said:
this is pure fact.
In my unsupported claims:
Humans are extremely adaptable, and we haven't really found out how much of us is nature and how much of us is nurture. Why are there so many "nice guys" who can't get girls when it's in their blood to be the dominant providers? Why was there even a feminist movement if women are supposedly more submissive? Why do I fall for competent and slightly dominant girls?

We can't rely on genetics and instincts to answer everything. There's way too much more to it than that. In my opinion it's mostly nurture.
 

RevRaptor

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Is nice guy code for spineless loser or something?
Really if you don't have luck with girls its not because you are a nice guy its because you are lacking something. I know plenty of nice guys, myself included and we have never had any trouble getting laid. Trust me girls do like nice guys, they just don't like the sort of idiot that claims he can't get girls because he's a 'nice' guy.
Let me put it this way if you ask ten girls out and they all say no, are they the ones with the problem or is it you? smart money is its something you are doing, yea.
 

chowderface

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No, Nice Guys finish last. There's a whole essay that could be written here, and has been multiple times, but the main distinction is that the Nice Guy (capital letters) sucks up to the object of his lust and then gets the idea that she owes him sex because of it. He usually doesn't actually say anything either, he just figures if he sucks up enough, eventually she'll suck OFF. In other words he's just as big of an asshole as the assholes he loses the girl to, in a different way.

Also, I'm almost positive the concept of being "friend-zoned" as a bad thing was invented by these guys. All the girls I've ever been attracted to, I'd much rather be "just friends" with them than reduce things to a binary state of fucking them or never speaking to them again. Maybe I'm just weird for being attracted to women who stimulate me in more ways than just sexually.

Nieroshai said:
I finish last because I'm a nice guy, and my girl is pretty grateful.
Giggidy.
Best answer. [/thread]
 

axlryder

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Why exactly was Daddy go bot suspended but not the people blatantly insulting him for his differing views? Way to go, escapist, keep up that biased moderating style.

Being sweet, showing you care, not acting like a jerk definitely helps in a relationship. However, no woman wants to feel as though you're not seeing them like a human, and no one wants a man who acts like a minstrel or a servant. Buy her a rose once in a while on your way home from work and tell her you love her, then say you had a long day and retreat to your man cave. Make her dinner once in a while. Consider what she likes when picking the date locations. Remember what's most important to her and attempt to abide by it. These are the things that help me. Also remember that relationships are a two way street, if she's not making any kind of effort or sacrifice in the relationship and you're making them all, then there's something very wrong.

Also, to a degree, I agree with what Daddy go bot, said. Woman like a man who can act LIKE a man. A man who can lead and take charge at a moments notice. That doesn't mean that relationships aren't about two people making decisions together as equals. It means she usually wants to feel like you can be tenacious in difficult situations, grabbing the bull by the horns. She wants to feel like you can protect her as well and aren't only good for being a doormat. She wants to know you can be a leader. She wants you to have CONFIDENCE in yourself. Confidence is oh so important. Every woman is different, but this remains true for most of them in my experience.

Most importantly, get to know her. Understand who she is and what she values. Never compromise your own values for the sake of pleasing her, but also be willing to adapt if you're willing to go the distance.
 

chowderface

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axlryder said:
Why exactly was Daddy go bot suspended but not the people blatantly insulting him for his differing views? Way to go, escapist, keep up that biased moderating style.
Possibly it has something to do with the fact that Daddy Go Bot was clearly a time traveller from the year 1890, where it's considered progressive to use an open hand to hit your wife.
 

axlryder

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chowderface said:
Possibly it has something to do with the fact that Daddy Go Bot was clearly a time traveller from the year 1890, where it's considered progressive to use an open hand to hit your wife.


He never condoned physical abuse or anything illegal. What's more, I've seen people post far more violent, angry and abusive things on here with zero repercussions. I'm assuming they suspended him (or at least justified doing so) for his caustic attitude, but I'm sure they singled him out specifically because he merely had differing views. I consider it to be biased and unjust, but I barely post on here so I'm relatively indifferent.

The time traveler jab did give me a chuckle though.
 

AmosMoses

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If I called my girlfriend a princess she would make throwing up noises and tell me to f*!% off.

We've been seeing each other 2 years today, btw! :)
 

ultrachicken

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Yes, because very few people enjoy being put on a pedestal 24/7, and those who do enjoy that are never in healthy relationships. Though people who treat their significant others like the shit on their shoe also don't make it very far.
 

pearcinator

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Depends in what type of context the saying is used in...

I like to say that nice guys finish last...in the bed room!
I've never had a girlfriend cos im too shy to ask them out but I know a few girls who like me...I just can't afford to be in a relationship right now lol
 

ForensicYOYO

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EDIT 15: When I say "When I say" what im really saying is get off my nuts snd answer my question without trying to put ur dick in every word like an attorney.

OT: Look Ive seen this a thousand times and this is what ive learned. These so called ass holes that seem to take woman from so called nice guy should get the woman because at least they're not at home bitching on the internet about it and are out there doing stuff. AKA ur so called woman. Am I getting to anyone or am I just pissing on air? On second thought dont bother replying cus I wont read it anyways.