legally they arent allowed to serve on the fronlines in the UK/US.Psycho-Toaster said:
OT: as people have said before, the whole family suffers. so does the rest of the unit, and the friends of the soldier back home.
Do you agree with this?
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OT: as people have said before, the whole family suffers. so does the rest of the unit, and the friends of the soldier back home.
Not to but in here, but I personally believe that although war can arise from stupid and petty situations (WWI, Vietnam, Iraq) the soldiers who fight so the war will end are still heroes.Trippy Turtle said:
To use an imperfect analogy; if I start a fire in my house for a really stupid reason (say, spreading gasoline on the wall thinking it was paint, idk), the firemen who risk their lives to put it out are heroes even though their life is in danger because of an idiot.
Well those who lose their lives suffer the most, when you think about it... I mean they literally cease to exist in any form, as far as they're concerned.
However it'd be silly to say only the soldiers suffer, the family of a dead soldier suffers too, largely due to financial reasons, I imagine.
To be frank, I don't really understand why people actually want to go to war, I don't understand patriotism... okay, well I understand how it's formed(hooray for indoctrination from a young age, I guess?), but I fail to see the benefit of it to the person him- or herself. I mean I'd never go to war for my country, or any other country for that matter... nor for anything else, really.
War is something that makes me feel ashamed of the human race, or rather violence and rampant stupidity and irrationality in general. Ah well, too bad we don't live in an utopia.
However it'd be silly to say only the soldiers suffer, the family of a dead soldier suffers too, largely due to financial reasons, I imagine.
To be frank, I don't really understand why people actually want to go to war, I don't understand patriotism... okay, well I understand how it's formed(hooray for indoctrination from a young age, I guess?), but I fail to see the benefit of it to the person him- or herself. I mean I'd never go to war for my country, or any other country for that matter... nor for anything else, really.
War is something that makes me feel ashamed of the human race, or rather violence and rampant stupidity and irrationality in general. Ah well, too bad we don't live in an utopia.
[Women are the] primary sufferers? Maybe. Victims? I don't think so.
The Victims of war are those who get shot in the head and die a painful but (hopefully) quick death. And the dead don't care about suffering.
And Clinton could have easily shrugged off all the flak from the, ironic sexism, allegations put forth here, by saying "Women lose their husbands, their fathers, their daughters and sons in combat." Presto.
Huh, they should hire me to write speeches. The MLP references would be glorious!!
The Victims of war are those who get shot in the head and die a painful but (hopefully) quick death. And the dead don't care about suffering.
And Clinton could have easily shrugged off all the flak from the, ironic sexism, allegations put forth here, by saying "Women lose their husbands, their fathers, their daughters and sons in combat." Presto.
Huh, they should hire me to write speeches. The MLP references would be glorious!!
They are heroes but of a battle that should not have been fought though. I could not think of a single reason I would want to join the army. I'm sure there would be a lot less wars if those that start them had to be in the front lines.Glass Joe the Champ said:
Just no. Everyone is a victim in war, the soldiers, the mourners, the innocent victims, everyone. If I had to choose the primary victims of war, it would be the innocent civilians, regardless of gender.Trippy Turtle said:
I'd specifically put soldiers and children as the bigger victim. Losing a family member to war is absolutely horrible and you will possibly never forget it, but you're an adult and you'll live.
Let me get this straight. You are seriously looking for words of wisdom from Hillary Clinton?
Well, obviously this is stupid. Dying from bleeding and horrible pain while watching your friends' bodies after you lost an arm or leg seems a little harder.
And seriously, what did you expect? She isn't counting on any males to vote for her that's why she's saying utter trash that only stupid women support.
Also people, please don't quote me on the second part because this thread isn't about war.
Well, obviously this is stupid. Dying from bleeding and horrible pain while watching your friends' bodies after you lost an arm or leg seems a little harder.
And seriously, what did you expect? She isn't counting on any males to vote for her that's why she's saying utter trash that only stupid women support.
Also people, please don't quote me on the second part because this thread isn't about war.
oh god here come's the onslaught of feminism shooting out everywhere over a quote that is old as hell and has been taken out of context to try and rumble up flames..
OT: everyone at some point or another is a victim, some more so than others, but arguing over this ridiculous quote is ridiculous.
OT: everyone at some point or another is a victim, some more so than others, but arguing over this ridiculous quote is ridiculous.
Like said before, I doubt that this isn't being taken out of context. I don't really care for her, but she isn't stupid. Everyone loses in war. It is tragic when any of us loses a loved one, especially to war or other line of duty deaths.
They are victims. Its not a load of shit, there's a very large debate about if/how anyone is the primary victim, but apart from that the point is entirely valid. She is a woman, so yeah, no shit that would be her first consideration.
Let's all suck dicks!
To be fair, the other one said it first.SODAssault said:
I don't think I could put it better than:Trippy Turtle said:
"Do you know what you get for being a hero? Nothin'. You get shot at. Pat on the back, blah blah blah. 'Attaboy.' You get divorced... Your wife can't remember your last name, kids don't want to talk to you... You get to eat a lot of meals by yourself. Trust me kid, nobody wants to be that guy. [I do this] because there is nobody else to do it right now. Believe me if there was somebody else to do it, I would let them do it. There's not, so [I'm] doing it. That's what makes you that guy."
-Bruce Willis "Live Free or Die Hard"
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Everyone's a "victim," you just have to look at it from a different perspective, I still think soldiers get the short end of the stick though.
No, I don't agree with it at all. Emotional pain can't be compared to actual physical pain.
Sure, it might be distressing to have to deal with your significant other loosing their arm to an IED, but you're not the one who's actually lost their arm. To say you're the main victim because you have to deal with the emotional pain of a spouse who's lost their arm is pretty fucking insensitive to person who has to emotional pain of loosing their arm, combined with the pain of actually loosing an arm.
Have you ever lost an arm? I haven't, but I imagine it hurts.
You'll also notice I've used Gender Neutral terms there, because not only are her comments offensive to servicemen, they're twice as offensive to servicewomen, as she's implying they don't belong in the line of fire to begin with. She's worse than bloody Thatcher her! D=
Sure, it might be distressing to have to deal with your significant other loosing their arm to an IED, but you're not the one who's actually lost their arm. To say you're the main victim because you have to deal with the emotional pain of a spouse who's lost their arm is pretty fucking insensitive to person who has to emotional pain of loosing their arm, combined with the pain of actually loosing an arm.
Have you ever lost an arm? I haven't, but I imagine it hurts.
You'll also notice I've used Gender Neutral terms there, because not only are her comments offensive to servicemen, they're twice as offensive to servicewomen, as she's implying they don't belong in the line of fire to begin with. She's worse than bloody Thatcher her! D=
I'd say the poeple who actually get killed in wars are their primary victims. Mostly because they are the most direct victims of warfare. Anyone else is only a victim by proxy, in other words, they become a victim because someone else is a victim. Or because of something else that restricts access to supplies and resources on the homefront, war being as much if not moreso a numbers and supplies game than a killing game.