Do you believe people are generally good?

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zumbledum

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i dont think good and evil exist i think there human created constructs that just make us feel better about how some people act.

I would say that Humans are and have always been 100% selfish, i would go as far as to say there has been no act ever performed by any human anywhere at any time that hasnt been 100% selfish in motivation. if that causes them to behave in a socially positive maneer we call them good if it causes harm we call them evil , but Hitler , Ghandi you and I are all just doing what we think is best for us.
 

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I'm a moral relativist (I guess some would call nihilistic, but that isn't specific enough). I don't believe in transcendent morality. So in terms of a universal good, I believe that humans are just as good as everything else. Not very.

In terms of culturally defined good, I believe humans more than any other animal can justify acting in ways that are unnatural to them in order to fit in and function in a social environment, and so it is unsurprising that humans appear to mostly fit into cultural norms of goodness. This does not mean that humans are actually predisposed to such actions, nor that those are the right actions.
 

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I make a very specific distinction with my over-generalizing of human intention. A person is generally good, unless they're a sociopath. People, as in groups of them, are usually xenophobic in some way, and therefore contribute to the general malaise of evil in the world.
 

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People generally want to think that they are good. Sometimes this means trying to be good, sometimes this means disputing any evidence that they have done something bad. I mean, we all accept we're not perfect, but if I point out an individual act of bigotry by someone, they'll deny it and get pissed off.

In regards to individuals...how good do you have to be to be "generally" good? It's very easy to condemn people who commit terrible crimes as monsters, totally different from us, but there are many people who've lived ordinary, even virtuous lives...except for the odd terrible crime. They might well be regarded as pillars of the community by the friends and family because of it, and those people might totally not understand the idea of them being guilty, you see this sort of thing all the time.
 

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There are two ways to go about this. One way is to chop it up as there is no good or evil. That is to say every human is the median connecting both sides. White represent good and black represented evil, we as people are the gray part. Honestly chopping up and putting that way is completely fine. At the same time I feel that it is a little deeper than that. As such good and evil go deeper than the average person I guess. For instance I will use myself as an example I am a good person that does bad things sometimes. That's just a general statement of things no details involved. From that statement on the surface you see "good person," and automatically assume I am good. What if the statement was different? I am a good person that often does bad things. If I'm good but do bad all the time it paints the picture that I am bad. Every person has the potential to do good or bad. What makes people good or bad are the decisions that are made to do bad consistently. I know exactly what people are thinking lol. "What makes it bad?" The same thing that makes anything valuable or anything uhhhh anything in this world. I See that rock I look at it as a rock nothing more nothing less. You see the rock and you see a habitat for microorganisms. I'm sure you're thinking now I'm making no sense still, basically I'm still saying there is no basis for it still. Let's say the majority of people are shown the same rock. The majority thinks what I thought it's just a rock. Majority rules in society that's usually the way it goes. Remember this is good and bad which means in a round about way morally accepted. There are basic morals like; don't stab people, don't steal, don't lie etc. and then there are personal morals like don't curse, don't laugh at others misfortunes, etc. Speaking for the majority of the human race we all probably have human morals instilled into us for the most part. Yes I'm aware some countries and families and groups/individuals grow up in harsh times. They deal with different situations and they adapt to survive and what not. But guess what most of the world isn't like that and in some cases like where I'm from bad is popular because they choose to do bad. The majority of bad done is a willing choice not a unchosen lifestyle. With that said don't confuse good and evil that's another rant. Are people generally good my vote is yes because I believe people generally are good people that just do bad things sometimes.
 

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II2 said:
No.

That said, 'good' and 'bad' are largely constructs of the acceptance or deviation from larger social, cultural and biological maxims from which we derive those definitions. There are no heroes or monsters, only self aware animals bewildered by the implications of sentience.
Good is defined by what is acceptable by society. Most people behave acceptably. Therefore most people are good. This is at least true with the people you most closely associate with.

If you see everybody as evil, then you simply have a higher than normal standard for good.
If you see most people as good but see evil wherever everybody else does, then your standard follows social norms.
If you don't see evil where others do, then you have a lower than normal standard.
Oh, and that is, if you assume that there isn't 1000s of different standards for the uncountable number of behaviors that can be expressed by a human.

inu-kun said:
Statistically speaking, most people are good-natured, that's why people can co-exist. Most of the bad stuff you hear about is because bad deeds are more interesting than good deeds.
I think bad deeds are more interesting because people are vindictive and want the gratification of seeing bad people get punished.

ImperialSunlight said:
I don't believe in transcendent morality. So in terms of a universal good, I believe...
I believe you just contradicted yourself... but that is only based on my understanding of what the two terms mean. I believe transcendent is a synonym for universal in this usage, and morality is a measure of good. So you can't rate universal goodness without a transcendent morality.
 

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In general people want to believe to be good, but are extremely hesitant to reflect wetter or not they actually are. I do not meet the requirements I myself set for moral behaviour so I wouldn't call myself a good person, and I'd be very hesitant to call those around me as such Still I do trust the people around me and complete strangers as well.
In any case humans tend to behave as the norms of their society dictate.
 

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Cerebrawl said:
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Depends on where you are.

Generally speaking, better living conditions and nicer weather tend to make nicer people.
Lots of nice people up in the cold north. Lots of assholes closer to the equator. I don't think your hypothesis about the nice weather holds up.

I think better weather make people more cheerful though.
I don't know, I live in the southern united states. The weather here is usually mild and most of the people here are nice, so I kinda thought mild weather = generally nice people. Maybe it also has something to do with the amount of trees and nature around, or other factors I haven't considered yet.

Personally, I prefer 40 °F with overcast and low winds.
 

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Most people have a conscience. Sure, culture affects our sense of justice and other things, but there's a conscience running there in the background. If one goes against their ethics, they're being bad, and if one goes to push something that doesn't benefit themselves, they're being good. An easy way of looking at it, yeah.

Both of those are rare, and so this is where society comes in: the things I do for me (essentially being selfish) are practically always neutral and often decent things to do in this society I live in. So yeah, I can be selfish and good thanks to our society.

OT: Technically no, but practically yes.
 

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People generally THINK they're good. The guy doing volunteer work in the soup kitchen thinks he's a good person. The religious zealot beheading you with a scimitar thinks he's a good person. The serial killer murdering you slowly thinks he's a good person (in some way).
Everyone's definition and standard of "good" is different.

Although I think I may have gone wide of the point. Do I think people in general will help others just for the sake of it? No. If you discarded all laws in your country, hell would break loose.
 

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Somewhat althought in reality I would say people are more generally "neutral". I mean I view "good" to be doing good deeds like helping others (e.g. homeless) and being nice to each other and etc while being geniune about it.
 

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Being judged purely on one's appearance is pretty f**king superficial/ evil and yet it pervades every facet of society.
 

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SamTheNewb said:
ImperialSunlight said:
I don't believe in transcendent morality. So in terms of a universal good, I believe...
I believe you just contradicted yourself... but that is only based on my understanding of what the two terms mean. I believe transcendent is a synonym for universal in this usage, and morality is a measure of good. So you can't rate universal goodness without a transcendent morality.
Hence, "just as good as everything else".

I was being figurative. To be clearer and, honestly, more accurate, in terms of universal good, I believe no one and nothing can be good or evil, or anywhere in between the two. The use of "universal good" in this case was mostly to differentiate from the next part about culturally constructed morality.
 

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I think good or evil are constructs, it is more about self serving intentions. Relatively good people have in our past been ordered to do horrible things. Or done them under stress. I am not just thinking about Nazi's I am also thinking of the atrocities committed in Abu Ghraib. Or aspects of Sharia law.

That being said it is sometimes hard to argue for 100% moral relativism. Issues like slavery, torture, abuse and exploitation is difficult to be ascribed to a reasonable motive. It is a difficult question, but I don't think humans can be held to extreme absolutes, we are too hypocritical.
 

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People are inherently self interested, and to most benefit ones self, it has been come to by consensus by the majority that you need to do benefit for the wider community in which you rely upon for your own interest. This is always contests to the details but the extreme Libertarianism of Ayn Rand is viewed with laughable skepticism by many who hold the view that an institution, such as Government needs to exist if people are to be looked after within a society.

However clear anomalies exist, which are normally surrounding the idea of Nations, where your sense of responsibility in order to maintain your overall better standard of living, are stretched and throughout history all that can be seen is a strange looking, maybe even slightly different colour, or different style of hat, individual who may take your land, women and resources... therefore violence is the course of action.

I don't believe in Good or Evil, they are just terms that we allot to people who preform certain actions, those which we would want done to ourselves are good actions, whereas those we would not want done to ourselves are evil... or somewhere nearer either side of the spectrum. Due to the construct of enemies, actions we would normally consider evil, done to an enemy is seen as a good, due to the fact you are protecting your group... up to a point. Violence and pain for the sake of it, has often been seen as unnecessary and therefore becomes evil once more.

The truth is we do what is necessary to survive, and enjoy doing so to the best of our ability. We aren't fundamentally good, but self interested... but to have your own interests in mind, we need to be mindful of everyone else around us in the long run.

This is realism, as opposed to cynicism. Cynicism would say that people are dicks because they are.
Realism would say humans are dicks when it suits them and they can get away with it as that's what best suits their interests. Equally they do good because its in their interests in the sense, do unto other what you would want done to you. Not a radical teaching of a genius or a God... simple logic that mankind agreed with at heart at many different locations around the world without cross cultural pollination to aid it.

For obvious reasons I would disagree with Immanuel Kant as I don't think there is a single action done without self interest in mind because encoded into our DNA is our sense of morality, and we merely expand it into our more complex social world... no Moral Imperative exists external to the human body, and even what seem like the most selfless actions make humans feel good, the physical positive feedback which encourages such actions.
 

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I can only speak from personal experience, and my personal experience leads me to believe that people are, all philosophical debates about the meaning of the term "good" aside.

For about half a year, an unforeseen misfortune drove me into homelessness. During that time, the only reason I survived long enough to find my feet again was because of the kindness of strangers. I do mean absolute strangers. I was hundreds of miles from my hometown, and people who didn't know me from a hole in the ground- people who ran the risk of my being a dangerous/malicious individual simply by trusting me- helped me recover myself and establish roots again. They did this at great personal and financial expense to themselves, despite having nothing to gain by doing so.

All of this was in texas, no less, a state regarded as one of the least friendly in existence.

People are indeed selfish, but when the chips are down they seldom have any problem with helping others if they and theirs are already secure. Coming together in times of adversity is one of humanity's few prevailing positive traits, after all.

so, my life experience kinda forces me to be optimistic about the whole thing. XD
 

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I personally think that as they start life and mature, that they are pretty neutral. However, they are expected to be good, and to a certain extent, everyone is, but only because they are required to.

The other, slightly lesser but still prominent fraction of the population is inherantly good, but only because they can help it, not because they have to be.