Do you find incest wrong?
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Is it? The only arguments I've ever heard for procreation with a relative being objectively wrong is reduced genetic diversity within family lines reducing the possibility for survival, and an increased potential for children with genetic disorders if the parents are carriers.AngloDoom said:
But the former is negligible from an evolutionary standpoint; nature doesn't care if genetic diversity is reduced, only that something is fit to survive, and social taboo's, combined with the sort of relationships that normally form between family members would be sufficient to prevent this from being a species wide problem. And as for the latter, you can't say it's absolutely wrong unless you're prepared to say that any two people having children if they're carriers of a genetic disorder is wrong. And perhaps it may have been when society didn't have the resources to care for such children, but that's not necessarily the case these days. Point being, we don't lock up people who know they are carriers for a genetic illness and still decide to have children. It's their decision and one they take responsibility for.
So personally, I can't think of a valid reason to be against it if we're talking about consenting adults. It's certainly natural to find it strange since most normal family relationships don't develop to become sexual in nature so most people will find it strange. But I find it hard to see it as being objectively wrong.
People's disgust with incest is based off social norms which are based off years of observation of interbreeding and all that stuff. Since we have the technology/intelligence to prevent mutations and stuff ? be it surrogate mother/father or just adopting a child it should not be a problem at all. Social norms are slow to change but eventually they will.
This one of those those touchy subjects that I comment on when using the words "It's fine under certain conditions." The most obvious of which is that they're both consenting adults.
Procreation is fine but children can lead to problems, however a one-shot incest baby won't necessarily lead to deformities, so I'd discourage it but not say it's outright wrong.
I say this because it's their love-life and why should I decide what they do with it if it doesn't hurt anyone else? Just because I don't agree with it doesn't mean it's evil. I don't necessarily agree with the idea of having sex with another man but I'll gladly fight to let people have that opportunity if they wanted it.
In short, just because it's not something you would do doesn't make it wrong. Just makes it different.
Procreation is fine but children can lead to problems, however a one-shot incest baby won't necessarily lead to deformities, so I'd discourage it but not say it's outright wrong.
I say this because it's their love-life and why should I decide what they do with it if it doesn't hurt anyone else? Just because I don't agree with it doesn't mean it's evil. I don't necessarily agree with the idea of having sex with another man but I'll gladly fight to let people have that opportunity if they wanted it.
In short, just because it's not something you would do doesn't make it wrong. Just makes it different.
If two hot latina twins consenting adults who happen to be related want to get it on make love I will pay good money for the the privilege of jacking off to it don't see any real problem with that.
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Or hell, don't even go back to /b/.
Just keep this sort of shit to yourself.
Shit like this is what ruined /b/.
If I had to sum up my advice to you in two words I'd be torn between "lurk more" and "don't post".
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Go back to /b/.Nietzschen said:
Or hell, don't even go back to /b/.
Just keep this sort of shit to yourself.
Shit like this is what ruined /b/.
If I had to sum up my advice to you in two words I'd be torn between "lurk more" and "don't post".
If it is just between one pair of relatives, it's uncomfortable, but not flat out wrong.
When it spans generations, though, then it is just genetically damaging.
When it spans generations, though, then it is just genetically damaging.
I don't think it's wrong, I do however thing that it's gross. Sorta like eating something like soft roe (Look it up I'm not explaining) if people want to eat it they should, I just think it's kind of a gross thing to eat and I do not want to eat soft roe at all.
Make sense?
Make sense?
I am the type of person who believes who believes that two parents who decide to have a child, knowing there's a good chance that the child will have difficulty in life are quite irresponsible. I'll admit I have no idea how much incest does affect people in terms of deformity or otherwise, but I almost see it as selfishness on the parent's behalf about having a pet baby so much they don't mind how much difficulty it'll have in life.Vivi22 said:
Also, please excuse me if I seem hostile or distracted...two days without sleep. ><
doesnt that techniqually make it masterbation??Overlord93 said:
all jokes aside, love is a fickle beast and as long as it isnt for procreation (using condoms, pill etc.) then i think its ok.
From my experience, people who say such things as "yeah, but lesbians are girls and all girls like a bit of cock" aren't prone to using logic to dictate their fantasies. Plus, I'd imagine it's harder being a gay guy than women, simply because two men kissing is often 'urgh' while two women kissing is often whooped. To the point that straight girls do it for attention...thaluikhain said:
I have no idea how incestuous the royal family is, if I'm honest.
I'm glad you said it. This isn't a knee jerk reaction, either. Genetic diversity was always a good argument against it, but the fact is that it's still wrong. Emotional attachment based on what should normally be a platonic relationship is unhealthy, and will likely cause continuing emotional issues. Humans are biologically wired to subconsciously think of sex for the procreation, even if it doesn't necessarily lead to procreation. They are also biologically wired to protect genetic diversity. Therefore, if neither warning light is blinking, the wires are crossed, which means that other wires are probably crossed too.ScreamingNinja said:
Here's another way to look at it: Society deems it as bad, normally. It's not a societal lag like homosexuality, either; it's a severe social taboo. People normally feel remorse, not because something is necessarily bad, but because society deems it bad. If a person is not feeling remorse, they're sociopaths (sociopaths are not necessarily violent, they just don't feel remorse). If a person is feeling remorse, then that remorse is going to be causing them to function abnormally, and can leave lasting mental effects.
The two above together combine to make only a fraction of the argument against incest. This really isn't a "If it's not bothering me" type thing. Sure, I'm fine with live and let live on issues. If an incestuous relationship is occurring, it's not my job or place to deal with it. It may not be hurting me, it most certainly IS hurting someone, whether they realize it or not.
On a completely different note, the reason I quoted the above post is because he said that it's wrong. There's a lot of push nowadays to just turn your head and ignore everything so long as it isn't hurting anyone else. We need more people who are willing to just say "Yeah it's wrong." Is it hurting anyone? No. Is it still wrong? Yep.
Its not really internally Incestuous, at least as far as i know. The incest thing came from way back when, when a member of the royalty could only marry someone of royal stock. Kinda limits your marriage and breeding options.AngloDoom said:
Well, in general? No, I have no problem with incest. Whoever wants to have sex, let them. As long as consenting and all that jazz. But that's just in general. When you go into specifics? I will have yes and no.
These are blood related situations.
1) Parent/Child(Child is under 18 and other spouse is still around): Hell to the no.
2) Parent/Child(Child is 18+ and other spouse in no where): Eh, I am unsure, but that is more in needs of therapy.
3) Siblings(Both consenting): Let them fuck.
4) Siblings(One takes advantage of the other): Hell to the no.
These are adopted/step-family situations.
1) Hell to the no.
2) Iffy, but in the end, I'm alright with it.
3) Fuck them long and hard! Able to have children without a care in the world.
4) Hell to the no.
Basically, the non-consenting situations regarding incest are the only situations where incest is wrong to me.
These are blood related situations.
1) Parent/Child(Child is under 18 and other spouse is still around): Hell to the no.
2) Parent/Child(Child is 18+ and other spouse in no where): Eh, I am unsure, but that is more in needs of therapy.
3) Siblings(Both consenting): Let them fuck.
4) Siblings(One takes advantage of the other): Hell to the no.
These are adopted/step-family situations.
1) Hell to the no.
2) Iffy, but in the end, I'm alright with it.
3) Fuck them long and hard! Able to have children without a care in the world.
4) Hell to the no.
Basically, the non-consenting situations regarding incest are the only situations where incest is wrong to me.
I agree with the general opinion here. It would definitely weird me out a bit, but that's only because I've been conditioned to be creeped out by it.
I think its pretty bloody gross, but I don't see anything inherently morally wrong about it. However children born of incestuous couples are far more likely to have genetic defects than 'normal' children, so I think that if such couple are thinking of having children they should adopt or use a sperm donor/surrogate etc.
More often enough brothers and sister annoy one another I think the odds are to slim to say ether good or bad. Just don't have kids