Do you find incest wrong?
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Sorry but incest is just wrong. I'm not even religious and I find it repulsive. How can you even look at your own family that way? I don't understand it.
Very strange topic, and even stranger results.
Bit proud of the board at this time, no not for the pro-incest stance itself but because of the pro-choice stance. It takes a truly enlightened soul to accept that people should be free to act as they wish to act, as long as it doesn't harm another person. I personally hate the idea of anyone, regardless of their 'reasonings' or 'moral stance,' shoving their views down other peoples throats and forcing others to conform to their way of life.
Siding with freedom isn't always pretty, and it isn't always easy, but it is always right.
Bit proud of the board at this time, no not for the pro-incest stance itself but because of the pro-choice stance. It takes a truly enlightened soul to accept that people should be free to act as they wish to act, as long as it doesn't harm another person. I personally hate the idea of anyone, regardless of their 'reasonings' or 'moral stance,' shoving their views down other peoples throats and forcing others to conform to their way of life.
Siding with freedom isn't always pretty, and it isn't always easy, but it is always right.
"What two consenting adults do in their own privacy is none of anyone elses' business." is my general response to questions like this. I don't understand why anyone else should care what somebody finds kinky.
If the parents who are aware of the risks (or not, it really doesn't even matter) have the means and the desire to care for a child born with some sort of genetic disorder then can you really say it was irresponsible of them to have a child? I don't think that's really a fair or relevant argument in such a circumstance.AngloDoom said:
My opinion is that lovers should love. As long as both parties consent, and are of legal consenting age, by all means, go for it.
I understand why some forms may be a crime, but not the above example.
I understand why some forms may be a crime, but not the above example.
I dont think he was talking about the child being cared for.Vivi22 said:
Lets say that a brother ans sister have a child, and whoops his jaw has a massive overbite and he has a lazy eye. Even if those parents care for that child like he was a prince, that child will still have a hard life. Especially while young. Children will tease even the slightest deviation from societies norms until the child cries. Think about how bad that child wil be discriminated aginst if he has a huge overbite and no-one is quite sure where hes looking.
No, if they are prepared to deal with the potential biological issues of shooting their DNA at eachother, then it's fine.
If a person has a sexual relationship with a family member of any sort it points to an underlying problem. if you have sex with a blood sibling you have known your whole life as a blood relative it means something about your wiring on who you should and should not have sex with is messed up. This becomes complicated when siblings meet after puberty, or rarely see each other, especially when not blood relatives. by that point you have made all of you familial connections so it is very hard to see new people as "sister" instead of "woman". this is most prominent in step siblings when the parents marry and the kids are in their early teens. let's face it, if a woman my age I had never met before began living at my house we just might, given enough time, have sex even if told not to.
I hope that made sense I'm having a bit of trouble making words that make sense lately.
I hope that made sense I'm having a bit of trouble making words that make sense lately.
Thought I would throw some tidbits into the ring but I can't pull the reports this late at night with such little focus. A quick Google search for incest and genetic brings back reports on studies that say it can be as low as a 2-3% increase in genetic deformities above the general population. Others show it is higher and I am just to damn tired to dig through numbers for a topic I am not that interested on, simply to inject debate into said topic.
The problem with most of these studies is they compare fictional couples where both parents carrying a genetic recessive disease and completely ignore cases where there are no pre-existing genetic diseases. This seems more an argument that known carries of a recessive gene should not breed then one against incest, per se. However, we don't have such laws on the book banning genetic disease carries from breeding, even with other genetic carries. Nor do we treat these relationships with the same distaste and moral outcry as we do incest.
In fact, we would be up in arms if the government tried to make it so you needed their permission, after gene testing, to have sex.
Yet you bring up the phantom of incest and everyone assumes the child is going to be born with two heads. There is this mis-conception that incestuous couples seem to just spawn gene based diseases, with no grounds in genetics to back it up. Just some food for thought people; genetic carries exist outside of incestuous relationships too.
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The problem with most of these studies is they compare fictional couples where both parents carrying a genetic recessive disease and completely ignore cases where there are no pre-existing genetic diseases. This seems more an argument that known carries of a recessive gene should not breed then one against incest, per se. However, we don't have such laws on the book banning genetic disease carries from breeding, even with other genetic carries. Nor do we treat these relationships with the same distaste and moral outcry as we do incest.
In fact, we would be up in arms if the government tried to make it so you needed their permission, after gene testing, to have sex.
Yet you bring up the phantom of incest and everyone assumes the child is going to be born with two heads. There is this mis-conception that incestuous couples seem to just spawn gene based diseases, with no grounds in genetics to back it up. Just some food for thought people; genetic carries exist outside of incestuous relationships too.
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My past studies in psychology have led me to the conclusion that incestuous relationships can be and usually are harmful in the long term - even if between two consenting adults. The problems arise when one or both eventually fall for someone else that is not related to them, and when (not if) the family finds out. These types of relationships can also arise from a history of abuse between one or both parties involved. To my knowledge, incestuous relationships rarely develop under healthy conditions (there is usually some kind of traumatic trigger for one or both parties). Even if such a relationship does somehow develop naturally, when the rest of the family finds out, it will not likely go over well.
Sure, some people may find their sister, brother, etc. attractive, but acting on those kinds of thoughts can lead to disaster. It's best to control those kinds of thoughts and move on. There's plenty of fresh DNA in the sea.
My overall stance on incest...
It's certainly not good. It can do a LOT of damage to a family. Even if those involved consent and enjoy it, the family overall will likely not accept those actions and the end result is usually a great deal of sadness and pain. In a nutshell, it's wrong.
However...
It's not really my concern what two consenting adults do.
I'll just say it's not my thing and move on.
Sure, some people may find their sister, brother, etc. attractive, but acting on those kinds of thoughts can lead to disaster. It's best to control those kinds of thoughts and move on. There's plenty of fresh DNA in the sea.
My overall stance on incest...
It's certainly not good. It can do a LOT of damage to a family. Even if those involved consent and enjoy it, the family overall will likely not accept those actions and the end result is usually a great deal of sadness and pain. In a nutshell, it's wrong.
However...
It's not really my concern what two consenting adults do.
I'll just say it's not my thing and move on.
I see it less about the parents coping with caring for the child and more for raising a child in a world where it will always be pitied and even looked down from at birth. Maybe it's just me, but when I hear about parents who say their condition is hell then choose to inflict it on a child it bugs me. If I had something wrong with me, last thing I'd want to do is pass it on to my loved ones. If parents want a child so badly, adopt a child who was throw away due to circumstance and neglect and give people already here and in terrible circumstances a fighting chance.Vivi22 said:
Again, this is all my view and I in no way think it is the one true way, but the problem I see with many parents - disabled or otherwise - is that they treat their child like a pet baby and not a person with a whole life ahead of them.
This is the only board in all the world that I have seen people defend bestiality , incest and pedophilia seriously and earnestly. Sometimes I wonder about you guys.
I personally find it revolting. I can't properly explain why unfortunately. I know it's not guaranteed to happen but the idea of having some crazy birth-defective kid is less than appealing.
I remember seeing a really attractive girl at a family reunion but as soon as I heard she was a cousin *bam* turn-off
I remember seeing a really attractive girl at a family reunion but as soon as I heard she was a cousin *bam* turn-off