Well, there are three ways people take it "as a symbol of heritage" "racist" or "democrat propaganda"
Do you find the Confederate Flag offensive?
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Hey, I never said that our, or any other country, was perfect. But I'd say that the Confederacy was worse than the nation that we have today. This extends beyond slavery (and, while our current justice and immigration systems might share some aspects of slavery back then, it's nowhere near as vile), though that is egregious enough, I'm also talking about the infastructure of the Confederacy as well, amongst other things. It was a nation that was extremely debased and fragile. It had some amazing generals and military tacticians though, I will give the Confederacy that.Blindrooster said:
That's pretty much the only reason it didn't completely crumble into nothingness in the Civil War, though.
EDIT: FYI, the swastika is extremely illegal in Germany. As in, you could serve serious jail time if you display the swastika in Germany. The only exceptions (Besides Nazi party possessions that are now probably in museums) are "works of art." Just wanted to clarify that issue of contention, since there seems to be some confusion (unless I didn't read some posts properly).
No, not really. Contrary to popular belief, the majority of people in the Confederacy did not own slaves. Just because the North didn't have slaves didn't mean there weren't any racist bigots living there. Moreover, the Civil War was fought primarily over the issue of state vs. federal rights, not slavery (though slavery certainly played a role in the conflict).
I just think it's kind of dumb to display the Confederate flag prominently nowadays in the name of "Southern pride." Given how the Civil War ended nearly 150 years ago, I'd say it's time to move on. Also, too many racist assholes have sullied its image by equating it with white power.
I just think it's kind of dumb to display the Confederate flag prominently nowadays in the name of "Southern pride." Given how the Civil War ended nearly 150 years ago, I'd say it's time to move on. Also, too many racist assholes have sullied its image by equating it with white power.
The Civil War was not about the oppression of the South by the North...perhaps that's what they teach you in your high schools but that's not accurate. The Civil War was about a lot of things, and those lots of things were bound up in slavery as a symbolic practice. The Civil War was about States Rights vs. Federal Rights...and what put a spotlight on that struggle? Slavery. This is why every time a territory was to become a state there were fights and wranglings over if it would be a slave state or a free state...this is why pressure was put on to make sure all the states were balanced in number slave or free--rather than by some other rubric.Blindrooster said:
There were a lot of issues, import vs export tariffs. Agriculture vs Industry...all sorts of things...but the "peculiar institution" of slavery was integral to those issues.
Everytime a white southerner (or wannabe southerner) waves that flag and says it is about heritage and honoring the south's resistance to "northern oppression"--remember that black people are also southerners and that flag is about honoring the south's continued desire to oppress the black people of that state.
ETA: Were there racists in the North? Certainly--there still are. But there is a difference between racism and owning someone as property.
Neither was the Confederacy
Neither was the Confederacy. the states left the union because of an issue of State vs. federal rights slvaery wasent the only cause just one of the manyFagotto said:
As someone who was born in a northern state, with a proud pro-democracy heritage, many friends of all ethnicities and the like, and completely against racism, discrimination of any kind (sexual orientation, physical capabilities, etc), how do I see the flag?
As another damn flag, and I honestly want to get it. Why? Not only because it's a unique historical artifact, but also because I actually was interested enough in the civil war to learn from history classes that the flag is merely nothing more than the South's wanting to have State's Rights, slavery was just a tag-along onto that. That anyone who goes bonkers over it because they think it's pro-slavery, or any racist idiot that waves it proudly thinking it'll piss people off are both equally stupid and need to educate themselves on the history of the flag. Just like the Swastika. Because Nazi Germany decided to do horrible things, everyone views the flag as the most horrible thing in the world, while in fact only years prior majority of the world used it. From things such as religion, even some aviation pilots in America wore swastikas as "good luck charms." It only changed because of the Nazi party.
Hell, if the Nazi's or the south were to have used the American flag or British flag at the time, or somewhat close, today it'd be frowned upon and possibly banned in some countries. People need to relax and learn from history. Not only to educate themselves, but to make sure it never repeats itself.
As another damn flag, and I honestly want to get it. Why? Not only because it's a unique historical artifact, but also because I actually was interested enough in the civil war to learn from history classes that the flag is merely nothing more than the South's wanting to have State's Rights, slavery was just a tag-along onto that. That anyone who goes bonkers over it because they think it's pro-slavery, or any racist idiot that waves it proudly thinking it'll piss people off are both equally stupid and need to educate themselves on the history of the flag. Just like the Swastika. Because Nazi Germany decided to do horrible things, everyone views the flag as the most horrible thing in the world, while in fact only years prior majority of the world used it. From things such as religion, even some aviation pilots in America wore swastikas as "good luck charms." It only changed because of the Nazi party.
Hell, if the Nazi's or the south were to have used the American flag or British flag at the time, or somewhat close, today it'd be frowned upon and possibly banned in some countries. People need to relax and learn from history. Not only to educate themselves, but to make sure it never repeats itself.
Despite its long history, it has come to represent a racist army that fought for the terrible and unethical imprisonment of slaves.
from the Vice Magazine Guide to Atlanta:
"RACISM
Don?t get bugged out by people wearing shit with the Confederate flag on it. Usually they just mean it in an ?irk the North? sort of sense, like when Siouxsie Sioux wore a Nazi armband. If you?re dealing with an honest-to-God racist, you?ll be able to tell because the hairs on the back of your neck will try to leap out of your skin the second they start talking."
"RACISM
Don?t get bugged out by people wearing shit with the Confederate flag on it. Usually they just mean it in an ?irk the North? sort of sense, like when Siouxsie Sioux wore a Nazi armband. If you?re dealing with an honest-to-God racist, you?ll be able to tell because the hairs on the back of your neck will try to leap out of your skin the second they start talking."
Fagotto said:
None as big no but its still not the only cause and did i forget to mention that britain forcebly controlled i dont know... over half the world
Sorry guys but as a Canadian with little knowledge of the Confederacy's other traits, I have to say kind of. I mean slavery = bad and Confederacy = slavery. So I can see why my Black neighbors might object to me waving that around.
Anarchemitis said:
It symbolizes the time when the Confederacy was strong and powerful, which in turn symbolized slavery to a lot of people.
That's about it. I personally never found anything offensive about it, but I do find it's extremely outdated and don't really know what else people would think it stands for. It's sort of like a swastika, though much less extreme.
That's about it. I personally never found anything offensive about it, but I do find it's extremely outdated and don't really know what else people would think it stands for. It's sort of like a swastika, though much less extreme.
nah.
the south was predominantly slave owners.
WAS.
c'mon, thats so, like, 150 years ago...-ish, i forget exactly when the war took place but whatever. its History.
"The Past is history, the future is a mystery. and today is a gift, thats why its called "present"
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the south was predominantly slave owners.
WAS.
c'mon, thats so, like, 150 years ago...-ish, i forget exactly when the war took place but whatever. its History.
"The Past is history, the future is a mystery. and today is a gift, thats why its called "present"
gosh i love kung fu panda