Do you include the delivery fee in with the tip?

[WeepingAngels]

So I usually tip $3 for pizza delivery but once you add in the $1.75 delivery fee, I end up tipping almost $5. That's too much for a $21 dollar order. Today though, I decided to pay $3 including the delivery fee. So $1.25 tip plus $1.75 delivery fee.

How do you guys handle it, if you tip at all?

If anything I tip a little better for delivery because of the convenience it provides me.

I mean by your logic it sounds like you would tip better if you drove to the pizza place to pick up the pizza yourself because then there'd be no delivery fee.

The delivery fee isn't just some arbitrary fee its there because it cost the company more to offer delivery and it just doesn't seem cool to slight on the tip just cause the company wanted to cover some of its expenses.

I don't tip for carryout, I imagine most people don't tip for carryout. It used to be that you tipped the driver for delivering your pizza. Now that they officially charge a delivery fee, it's more like a mandatory tip.

If I pay a delivery fee, I don't pay a tip. I've already paid for the service so there is no extra service being provided that warrants a tip.

I agree with this logic and coming around to completely letting the delivery fee be the tip and not paying the extra $1.25.

 

[shootthebandit]

And, as for the tipping thread thing, we get many of these threads. And, imo, it's a case of "You had to be there". As in, unless you worked a job that depended on tips, you just aren't going to understand how tipping works. You'd have better luck explaining color to a blind person, or music to a deaf person.

Surely this is not a great arguement. Its ok for those receiving the tips to understand but for those who actually have to pay them are ignorant

There are no jobs in the UK that depend on tips. In the US I make an effort to tip (from what i gather 10-20% is acceptable) because like you said people rely on it over there but here in the UK its a bit of extra money that most minimum wage workers do not get. Tipping isnt a big deal over here its a case of you pay the bill and leave.

This is why these threads get a bit heated because people in the US get offended when people say they dont tip and people from the UK cant understand why they get upset because for us tipping is just an extra if you are feeling generous

 

[DarthSka]

I don't know how it works in other countries, but here in the U.S.A, a delivery fee doesn't go to the driver. Plus, the driver's wage is very dependent on tips. Here, employees will earn minimum wage when in the store, but when they check out to do a delivery, their pay is reduced by about 3 dollars per hour and tips are expected to make it up. So basically, if drivers don't get tips, they make much less than what they would get if they were minimum wage full time. As such, I'm very much in favor of giving tips to delivery drivers.

 

[Muspelheim]

I'm not part of a tipping culture, which makes going abroad a little bit difficult. I have only a vague idea of how much to tip and when, and I just know that I'm making a huge twat of myself whenever I go out. It's not that I mind tipping, it's just something I'm not accustomed to.

I likely tip far too much out of fear when I'm expected to. It must be an amusing sight, a quivering skeleton of a man insistantly overpaying. I make a good guest, I'm sure.

 

[WeepingAngels]

I don't know how it works in other countries, but here in the U.S.A, a delivery fee doesn't go to the driver. Plus, the driver's wage is very dependent on tips. Here, employees will earn minimum wage when in the store, but when they check out to do a delivery, their pay is reduced by about 3 dollars per hour and tips are expected to make it up. So basically, if drivers don't get tips, they make much less than what they would get if they were minimum wage full time. As such, I'm very much in favor of giving tips to delivery drivers.

It sounds like employers are cheating the drivers and customers are expected to make up the difference. Don't see how that is legal but it sure isn't ethical.

 

[songnar]

When I'm in a tipping situation, since the local tax rate is 8.25%, I simply tip double whatever the tax is. It's fair.

Exception - the bar. If you pour me a drink, that's an automatic $1 tip in the jar, per drink, regardless of actual costs.

 

[Saltyk]

When I do order delivery, I generally tip $5 US. Considering that I don't usually order more than 10-15 dollars worth of food, even with the delivery fee, that's a pretty generous percentage.

I try to give good tips as I had friends that delivered pizza for a while. Horror stories abound. Like the guy who ordered $100 worth of pizza, paid, and said "keep the change." The change was about three cents. Worst part was that my buddy got excited at first and even thanked the guy. Then, he realized what he was actually getting tipped.

Mind you, I can always opt to give little or even no tip. But that requires absolutely horrible service. Like a waitress that sits down and talks with her friends for an extended period of time while my group is ready to leave. Yes, that happened. I actually got half off the meal for everyone because of it, and no one tipped our waitress. She was pretty bad even before that, though. Never refilled our drinks or anything.

 

[Flames66]

Are tipping threads bad or something?

I don't really care how much goes to the cook so why would I care how much goes to the driver? All I know is that I pay an extra fee to have it delivered and that used to be where the tip would come in.

They usually end up with people arguing over whether tipping is something you should do.

I personally don't tip, haven't ever tipped and don't ever intend to. I also count the delivery cost as part of the overall cost of the item.

Tipping threads usually go alone the lines of: person 1:"I tip generously, someone is relying on this money"

Person 2: "I dont get tips in my job so why should I tip a delivery driver/waiter who earns a minimum wage anyway"

M. Night. Shamalamamamamamaman plot twist. Person 1 is american and person 2 is british

I have a British opinion on this matter.

As a brit I tend not to tip unless say the driver shows up and it 9.50 ill just give him a tenner. I get incredibly pissed off when people add a service charge to my bill and i downright refuse to pay it. Its not that im tight but ive worked minimum wage in a warehouse in the past. It was tough work and i didnt see any tips. I dont see why one minimum wage job should get tips and one doesnt

In the first scenario, I would want the change. The advertised price is all I will pay.

In the second scenario, I don't think I have ever encountered a service charge so I'm not sure quite how they work. If I was to encounter one that was included in the price of the overall meal I probably wouldn't notice. If it was added on afterwards I would refuse to pay it as I will only pay the price that is written on the menu for any item.

 

[Firstmark_Bannor]

I have worked for two pizza places in the past and I know for a fact how little they make. I always tip a minimum of five dollars on any delivered order regardless of the total. And that does not include a delivery fee.

As far as waiters as concerned, I do try to tip based on service but I'll always leave at least a dollar.

And for people that don't tip, That's fine if you don't live in the USA, But if your here and you don't tip, your damn rude. When in Rome do as the Romans do.

 

[madwarper]

Surely this is not a great arguement. Its ok for those receiving the tips to understand but for those who actually have to pay them are ignorant

There are no jobs in the UK that depend on tips.

Let's stop right here, because the thing you're not getting is this isn't just about you.

Sure, Europeans have earned a reputation of being culturally ignorant when it comes to tipping in the US, but it's not a trait that's unique to you. Because, if you remember that in these threads, someone invariably posts that asinine clip from Reservoir Dogs.

 

[dyre]

Why not count the delivery fee as part of the tip? I mean why am I giving a tip to the driver but not the cook? Isn't it because the driver actually delivered my pizza and if that's the case, then isn't the tip really just a second delivery fee? If I had picked up the pizza, should I tip the cook if he or she was friendly?

The cook actually gets paid minimum wage or better. The driver gets paid below minimum wage because he has a job that can get tips. The federal minimum wage for cooks is $7.25 (alongside most jobs); the federal minimum wage for drivers is only $2.13!

Those guys rely on your tips to live. Personally I'd like to see this whole tipping business be abolished altogether and have everyone get paid the full $7.25 (or higher if they raise the minimum wage), but until then, I pay drivers a bit extra because I can afford it and they really, really need it.

 

[Yopaz]

Over here waiters and delivery personnel are paid enough to do without tip so I don't tip at all.

The delivery costs about 15 USD and the pizza itself costs about 50 USD. When I pay 65 dollars for my dinner (close to what I spend in a normal week, sometimes I will even spend less) I don't feel I need to tip. When i go abroad to countries where tip is actually important then I want to enjoy the new place and I will eat out rather than have it delivered so I wouldn't require someone to deliver. I would tip though.

I'm not part of a tipping culture, which makes going abroad a little bit difficult. I have only a vague idea of how much to tip and when, and I just know that I'm making a huge twat of myself whenever I go out. It's not that I mind tipping, it's just something I'm not accustomed to.

I likely tip far too much out of fear when I'm expected to. It must be an amusing sight, a quivering skeleton of a man insistantly overpaying. I make a good guest, I'm sure.

Same problem here. I have tipped somewhere around 30-40% just to be certain.

 

[WeepingAngels]

Why not count the delivery fee as part of the tip? I mean why am I giving a tip to the driver but not the cook? Isn't it because the driver actually delivered my pizza and if that's the case, then isn't the tip really just a second delivery fee? If I had picked up the pizza, should I tip the cook if he or she was friendly?

The cook actually gets paid minimum wage or better. The driver gets paid below minimum wage because he has a job that can get tips. The federal minimum wage for cooks is $7.25 (alongside most jobs); the federal minimum wage for drivers is only $2.13!

Those guys rely on your tips to live. Personally I'd like to see this whole tipping business be abolished altogether and have everyone get paid the full $7.25 (or higher if they raise the minimum wage), but until then, I pay drivers a bit extra because I can afford it and they really, really need it.

If you want tipping to be abolished, you should stop participating. It should be illegal to underpay your employees and expect (and even guilt) customers to make up the difference directly.

I honestly can't believe people are blaming customers for drivers being underpaid rather than their employers.

 

[shootthebandit]

In the first scenario, I would want the change. The advertised price is all I will pay.

Usually im an advocate of paying the price shown but if I have a tenner and its £9 something then im not too bothered about a few pence

In the second scenario, I don't think I have ever encountered a service charge so I'm not sure quite how they work. If I was to encounter one that was included in the price of the overall meal I probably wouldn't notice. If it was added on afterwards I would refuse to pay it as I will only pay the price that is written on the menu for any item.

Its not very common over here but I have seen it a couple of times, they basically add a 10-20% surcharge on your bill for service. If it happens to me I speak to the manager demand to get it taken off the bill if they refuse I would simply walk out and refuse to pay anything and never give them your custom again (fortunately its never gone that far).

 

[dyre]

Why not count the delivery fee as part of the tip? I mean why am I giving a tip to the driver but not the cook? Isn't it because the driver actually delivered my pizza and if that's the case, then isn't the tip really just a second delivery fee? If I had picked up the pizza, should I tip the cook if he or she was friendly?

The cook actually gets paid minimum wage or better. The driver gets paid below minimum wage because he has a job that can get tips. The federal minimum wage for cooks is $7.25 (alongside most jobs); the federal minimum wage for drivers is only $2.13!

Those guys rely on your tips to live. Personally I'd like to see this whole tipping business be abolished altogether and have everyone get paid the full $7.25 (or higher if they raise the minimum wage), but until then, I pay drivers a bit extra because I can afford it and they really, really need it.

If you want tipping to be abolished, you should stop participating. It should be illegal to underpay your employees and expect (and even guilt) customers to make up the difference directly.

I honestly can't believe people are blaming customers for drivers being underpaid rather than their employers.

*sigh*
Step away from your outrage for a second and think about it rationally. No one's "blaming" anyone. Do you see "blame" somewhere? Stop being so indignant and emotional, and think.

If you stop participating, do you think the employers give a shit? It doesn't affect their bottom line at all; they don't even see that money. The only one you're hurting is the driver. He'll just have to scrape by with a few dollars less.

Congress isn't passing any minimum wage changes anytime soon (just look at the last bill). The chance of abolishing tipping in place of full minimum wage in the near future is absolutely zero. It's a shitty world we live in. You can either shrug your shoulders and say "oh well, not my problem," or try to help out who you can.

 

[Doomer08]

I enjoy tipping generously, sometimes up to 35-40%. Makes me feel good, and a majority of my jobs have been in the service industry so I know how they feel about tips.

 

[Johnny Impact]

The restaurant I manage pays drivers minimum wage (by which I mean minimum for non-tipped employees) plus tips. Drivers make out pretty well when it's busy.

There is a charge for delivery, part of which goes to compensate the driver for gas, wear and tear on vehicle, etc, the rest to the company to cover the monstrous insurance costs involved in employing drivers.

Tips are encouraged but not required. We tell customers we do not consider the charge to be a tip, but some choose to see it that way anyway. I have some really fun conversations with jerkwads who are trying to justify not tipping. To be clear, they're not jerkwads for not tipping, they're jerkwads for trying to pry into our payroll information or weasel out of tipping with some flimsy justification. No, sir, we will not reveal how much our drivers get paid per hour, or per delivery. We do not care why you think you are entitled to this information. You've already decided to stiff, just do it and get on with your life.

Personally I tip based on service. A good tip can be as much as 25%. Depends on speed, courtesy, accuracy. I will stiff if service is bad enough.

I'm not interested in philosophical discussions about why jobs are considered tip-worthy or not. There's no real reason, it's just the culture we're raised in. Why is nudity a taboo? Same reason.

 

[shootthebandit]

Surely this is not a great arguement. Its ok for those receiving the tips to understand but for those who actually have to pay them are ignorant

There are no jobs in the UK that depend on tips.

Let's stop right here, because the thing you're not getting is this isn't just about you.

Sure, Europeans have earned a reputation of being culturally ignorant when it comes to tipping in the US, but it's not a trait that's unique to you. Because, if you remember that in these threads, someone invariably posts that asinine clip from Reservoir Dogs.

Its not just about me. Which is why as Ive said several times that every time I visit the US I will tip 10-20% (usually nearer 20).

The reason I was saying its not a great arguement wasnt a dig at anyone. I was saying that surely the people who are paying a tip should be aware of what they are paying. Im ignorant because ive only spent 4-6 weeks of my life in america and even then its still common knowledge that you go to america and you tip and you tip generously so surely there should be no excuse for people who live there to be ignorant.

Which is why I said it wasnt a great arguement. If you are happy to accept the bill payers are ignorant then how can you expect to be given an acceptable amount of tips. Thats the problem, tipping culture is an unwritten rule some say 10% others say 20% there is no "required" amount for the bill payer. If a minimum wage was properly implemented then employees would not have to rely on tips and they would receive a fair wage. The bill payer would inevitably pay more to cover the cost but at least its not optional if someone gets a paycheck or not

 

[WeepingAngels]

Why not count the delivery fee as part of the tip? I mean why am I giving a tip to the driver but not the cook? Isn't it because the driver actually delivered my pizza and if that's the case, then isn't the tip really just a second delivery fee? If I had picked up the pizza, should I tip the cook if he or she was friendly?

The cook actually gets paid minimum wage or better. The driver gets paid below minimum wage because he has a job that can get tips. The federal minimum wage for cooks is $7.25 (alongside most jobs); the federal minimum wage for drivers is only $2.13!

Those guys rely on your tips to live. Personally I'd like to see this whole tipping business be abolished altogether and have everyone get paid the full $7.25 (or higher if they raise the minimum wage), but until then, I pay drivers a bit extra because I can afford it and they really, really need it.

The only one you're hurting is the driver. He'll just have to scrape by with a few dollars less.

Guilt trip? Won't someone think of the poor driver?

Here's what would happen if people stopped tipping pizza drivers. Fewer and fewer people would be willing or able to deliver pizza and that would force employers to:

1) Pay the drivers min wage at the least

2) Give the delivery fee to the driver

3) Stop offering pizza delivery

You don't stop a practice you don't agree with by continuing to participate in said practice.

 

[Eleuthera]

There is a charge for delivery, part of which goes to compensate the driver for gas, wear and tear on vehicle, etc, the rest to the company to cover the monstrous insurance costs involved in employing drivers.

This part has surprised me before in earlier discussions, here employers own and supply the vehicles used. No driver would pay for gas or maintenance.