Do you think that the Mass Effect series has lost it's 'touch'?

[TheKruzdawg]

One of the things that I miss from the transition from 1 to 2 was how much more damage Shepard seemed to withstand before death in 1 as compared to 2. I remember being able to actually stand outside of cover for more than 2 secs and not worry about dying instantly in ME 1 but in ME 2, if you try to actually fight without cover, you're going to lose every time. I hope that ME 3 allows us to actually fight without having to use cover ALL THE TIME.

It really makes some sections seemingly impossible. For ex: I'm at the end of the Horizon colony lvl in Mass Effect where you have to defend the tower controls and fight the scions and husks simultaneously. I'm playing on insanity and finding it extremely frustrating that my party keeps dying and I'm being forced from cover by the husks only to get picked off instantly by the scions once I leave. It's frustrating because there doesn't seem to be anything I can do to stop death once I am forced to leave cover.

OT: I don't think it has lost its touch. There are some things that I wish hadn't changed and some that I'm glad they did. But overall the spirit of the game has remained the same, at least for me.

 

[Felix 'Solomon' Hultgren]

Nope. ME 2 was better than the first game on every conceivable level.

I don't give a shit if I lose the ability to carry around eleventy trillion tonnes of arbitrary weapon mods.

YES! That's exactly what I was thinking! Mass Effect 2 was enjoyable all the way through which is more than one can say about ME1. They made it work and it works terribly well. Why does it matter if it's "not an rpg" in your opinion if the game is still a vast improvement?

 

[natster43]

I don't think so, but I have only played part of 1 and watched my brother play through 2, so I don't think my opinion actually counts.

 

[Dr. wonderful]

Short answer: No.

Longer answer: Hell no.

Answer to your follow-up question: RPG fans are BY FAR the worst, most entitled, most fickle group of people on the planet. Bar none.

Damn straight they are.

Dragon age fans are the WORST.

 

[Zantos]

Short answer: No.

Longer answer: Hell no.

Answer to your follow-up question: RPG fans are BY FAR the worst, most entitled, most fickle group of people on the planet. Bar none.

"It is not exactly how I want it so it is complete filth!"

Seriously RPGers, you know the whole thing about FPS fans are all 14 year old whiney racist morons because even though that only makes up a very small minority they're the ones that stick with you. Well the whole crowd of self superior "I know what's best for the whole industry because it's exactly what I like and anyone who doesn't agree is clearly a complete idiot" is your equivalent. The rational, reasonable fans out there just need to give them a massive slap once in a while so we know they aren't speaking for all of you.

Incidentally, if you don't recognise the type of person I just described above then you are really lucky. Can I come live with you? But if you really must know what I'm talking about then Pro Gamer Gauntlet has it to a tee. I'm not saying watch all of it, I wasn't that big a fan myself, but RPG in that was pretty much exactly what I'm talking about. Except they're worse in real life, at least you can try and derive some uncomfortable humour from the fact it's just parody in PGG.

Wow, that turned into quite a rant. Conservatively I blame my flatmate for being the aforementioned RPG fan.

 

[archvile93]

Nope.

Mass effect 3 is not released yet, is it?

And for the record RPG means ROLE PLAYING GAME, mass effect is an RPG. I challenge anyone out their otherwise.

I can roleplay as Master Chief while playing Halo

Therefore, Halo is an RPG under your definition.

Yeah, when it comes to catagory definitions RPGs got the worst one. Even the name itself could apply to almost any game.

OT: No I don't think it's lost it's touch. There's only been two games in the main series and both were very well made.

 

[2fish]

My only issues between ME1 and 2

I did not like the corridor style of missions as it ruined the reason I loved my sniper. Hard and fast was how I played I would snipe then jump in with tali and garrus to slam the enemy.

I was also hurt by the new way to choose ammo. Since ammo was chosen for the team rather than by person it meant I no longer had a true anti-armor and a true anti-geth since switching ammo left someone screwed.

So while I did not enjoy digging through 10,000 guns it was better than getting stuck with the 2 sniper rifle choices. If I have a choice i will always take more guns rather than fewer. Also the Mako was annoying at times but it also allowed me more exploration and stratigic options.

I hope 3 will make a nice mix of the 2 games, but alas that is a fools hope.

 

[Faux Furry]

Mass Effect is a trilogy. It hasn't gone on long enough nor will it go on long enough to lose its touch. The second entry was different than the first but a sequel changing up some elements from the only other game in the series does not constitute a losing of the series' way since there was only one other game to compare it to.
Also, as pointed out by Mark Flanagan in the link he provided, the third game is going to add even more RPG traits than the other two games in the series had.

The only way that the brief series could have lost its way in the second game is if BioWare completely neglected the plot about the Reapers and focused entirely on someone claiming to be the galaxy's greatest lover trying to save the entire universe through the power of love,sheer manly seductiveness and chest hair.

 

[Tim Mazzola]

Absolutely not. As much as I adore 1, 2 blew 1 out of the water, even in the RP department. I can understand people wanting more customization with their inventory, but hey, 3 seems to be fixing that alright without making a clunky inventory like the first game.

Also, there are 2 games in the series. To say that it has "lost its touch" this early is kind of invalid because it hasn't really developed a "touch" as a series yet XD

 

[mikespoff]

No.

ME1 was awesome, ME2 is awesome, I have high hopes for ME3.

 

[beniki]

Honestly, I can't say the first Mass Effect game was any deeper than the second. Making action the focus doesn't mean you lose any depth, it just means you tell more things through the action... which is kind of the point of a video game isn't it? Telling a story by doing?

I liked 2 better than 1. It streamlined the inventory management, made weapon upgrades into skill toggles, although I think entirely removing the Mako levels was a bit disappointing. They also could have come up with a better story reason for scanning. It just seemed a little forced.

Either way, streamlining everything allowed the game focus to shift much more to the story line, and I think for a single player game, this was exactly the right decision to make.

Number crunching and strategy should not be the focus for an RPG. Being an epic hero, and feeling like one should be. And let's face it, Han Solo never got out his calculator before a fire fight.

 

[Jonesy911]

As long as I'm playing a role which I can control I'll be happy

 

[humor_involuntario]

Nope.

Mass effect 3 is not released yet, is it?

And for the record RPG means ROLE PLAYING GAME, mass effect is an RPG. I challenge anyone out their otherwise.

I can roleplay as Master Chief while playing Halo

Therefore, Halo is an RPG under your definition.

Actually, you can't. Mass Effect gives you the ability to define your role in events in-game. Halo doesn't. You don't define Master Chief when you play Halo. You either follow the scripted events the same way everyone else has to, and beat the game - or you don't. In order to define a character you have to have the ability to do respond to situations differently than someone else.

Mass Effect?
Choice?
Really?

 

[McNinja]

What? No. no it has not. Anyone who says otherwise hasn't played ME3. Oh wait. No one has. So I guess you can't say for sure, can you?

 

[SL33TBL1ND]

Hell, I didn't really like the first one.

 

[cthulhumythos]

Not really, I enjoyed Mass Effect 2 a lot more than the first game, and I am looking forward to Mass Effect 3. Lets hope they dont fuck it up too badly though, knowing the Bioware of late I wouldnt be too surprised if they did. One more thing...

Yes, I said I enjoyed the second more than the first. Yes, boo fucking hoo. Let me save you some time and just type out what you were going to say anyway: im a Call of Duty scrub, im a noob and suck at RPG elements, I am only interested in shooting things and making things explode, and I am part of whats wrong with the gaming community. There. Now you dont have to waste your time being a complete ****. This is directed not too anyone in particular - just too the people who were just getting ready to claim superiority over me because they liked a different video game than me. Go fuck yourselfs, I have more knowledge of those old "hardcore" RPGs you love so much than you ever will have. Stop being such assholes and shut up.

That was completely unnecessary, no-one was judging you and probably neither would people have, if you read how the comments were rolling. Do you defend all your opinions in such an obscene manner?

Of course not. They are two different games, but they're both amazing (I personally prefer the first one but hey, everyone has their own preferences)

I just have one thing to say about ME2.
Cerberus? Seriously? SERIOUSLY?? My Sole survivor Shep does not approve.

I agree, mine was also Sole Surivor, and had this thing of massacring anyone who experimented on live humans because of it. The lack of "Go F yourself" dialogue option to The Illusive man was noted unhappily.

Haha. Are you telling me you have never seen the "OMG THE FIRST GAME WAS SUPERIOR GO PLAY A SHOOTER YOU SUCK AT RPGS I HATE YOU YOU ARE RUINING EVERYTHING GOD JESUS WHY DONT I JUST KILL MYSELF NOT EVERYONE LIKES THE SAME GAMES AS ME" posts? They pop up in every Mass Effect thread. Multiple times. On this forum too. And no, I dont, those people are just very aggravating. Too the point that they get me pissed off before they even show up and start whining.

I bet one of them will show up before too long. And if not, thats an occasion to celebrate, I can tell you that. Look, im not saying youre wrong if you liked the first game better - im saying youre wrong if you think youre superior because of that.

EDIT

alright, time to be that guy.

mass effect 1 was an interesting and deep mystery movie.
mass effect 2 was an action flick.

See? See that? Its starting all ready! This guy is still being reasonable in comparison of whats on the way. We had a calm sea before the storm, and cthulumythos is the first dark cloud appearing in the sky.

(If you really cannot tell by now, I am being over the top the whole time because its my brand of humor. Maybe it doesnt go over so well over the internet, or maybe people should just think for a second before replying too me)

HEY! I'M NOT A DARK CLOUD! I'M AS WHITE AND FLUFFY AS EVER!
(seriousness is not my forte either)

and besides, action flicks are fun.

 

[The Hero Killer]

Mass Effect 2 was the greatest game I've played this generation.... so no. I think Bioware as a whole is losing its touch though, messing over a good series like Dragon Age with a medicore sequel and spitting in the face of everyone who was waiting on KOTOR 3.

 

[Austin Howe]

I've never played Mass Effect. There's your warning. However,

HOW DO YOU DETERMINE THIS AFTER 2 FUCKING GAMES?

Even the most jaded Final Fantasy fans (not me) agree it took the series between four and six whole games to start "losing it's touch". (And 4 is the absolute extreme. 6 is more typical.)

Legacy of Kain produced 3 really good games before they made Blood Omen 2, but you can't really say they lsot touch, they released Defiance after that.

I'm sorry, you're defying science here. You need a far larger data pool.

 

[pearcinator]

ME2 is amazing, ME1 is great. I expect ME3 to be spectacular.

 

[Zeriah]

I liked Mass Effect 2 a lot more than Mass Effect 1, so no.