DoA Dev Says Jiggle Physics Are Part of Japanese Culture

[gaminghard]

Ha, that is cool, I think that's because of all those anime series that have over feminine girls with large breasts.

As an offtopic: Don't you think Japanese are a bit obsessed with big breast girls? Cele mai tari jocuri cu masini jocuri [http://www.jocurile.us/cat-jocuri-cu-masini.htm]

 

[chuckman1]

Why does everyone suddenly hate jiggle physics? In real life boobs jiggle maybe not quite the level of Dead or Alive but they do. Why not have them?

 

[DeliciousTruffle]

I had high hopes for the comments on this thread. Now that I have read through it, I am reminded again that I should not be optimistic when gaming communities are involved in any way. Silly me.

 

[Gladys Knight]

Why does everyone suddenly hate jiggle physics? In real life boobs jiggle maybe not quite the level of Dead or Alive but they do. Why not have them?

I think people's main concern is the reason why they are implemented. In DoA's case, it has a lot less to do with the way a real human body behaves and a lot more to do with a rather immature fascination with 'boobies.'

Which hurts no one. The goal of some, of course, being to bleed the issue of "not suited to my style/taste" with the completely different issue of harmful sexism. Sexism being a term used so broadly that I don't even know if it can be considered objectively bad by the definitions used by some people here.

It's dishonest and deceitful but it's clear when it happens. Somebody claims the game is harmful to some degree. But the justifications take many forms, a lot of them being straight immaterial. "It's unrealistic! It's bad business! They're doing it just to make the girls look hot" None of those things make something objectively harmful to anyone.

If we thought about women the way some of the people supposedly against sexism do about these characters, there would actually be a problem. You know... How the supposedly enlightened and considerate ones can't seem to see past the bra size these characters in question wear. Carrying on as if such ridiculous proportions invalidate all other elements of the character.

Yeah. Good thinking. If you want to be a hypocrite.

No the problem is you got called out on what you said originally quite convincingly so you are backpedaling and arguing semantics.

I'm sorry that we proved you wrong but it's no reason to get annoyed

Women don't dress up to attract men. They do it to feel more confident. Sorry but that is a fact.

It's the kind of reasoning that ends up with 'Yeah but she was dressed like a slut so she was asking for it.'

Pay attention, everyone. This is the trick right here. See, when you have garbage for a point, the key is to make sure anyone who dares challenge your nonsense get roped into somehow being a contributor by proxy completely unrelated, devious issue that has nothing to do with and is not necessary to the subject at hand.

Look at the ridiculous circus of semantics everyone just got done talking about regarding what a women is doing when she dolls herself up. We ALL know what the heck everyone meant. But there had to be a circular dance of nonsense all in order to keep the reality that women consciously and unconsciously try to appeal to men in their appearance and that for many women, many times, a mans opinion is what she bounces her decisions off of regarding how to look when it's time to look "good."

I'm sure if you all step further back, you'll realize how far away the subject has moved from it's original point in the argument.

Step back even further and you'll realize almost everyone here who has posed this game as a far-reaching problem has essentially taken "I don't like it" and positioned it as "this is a big problem that needs to be addressed.

In reality, it's just one game in a sea of many and it's fine. You may not like it. I may not like it. But it's not going to destroy anything or have any of the far reaching ill-effects many have carried on about.

Additionally, "I don't feel comfortable playing it" is not a "problem."

 

[DugMachine]

lol @ Moonlight Butterfly

I love your 'fact' of women never dressing to get the attention of men. Hey everyone, Moonlight Butterfly is the voice of all women now! I mean, lets totally disregard that many female friends I have will say they dress certain ways to SOMETIMES impress men or get the attention of men. But no, Moonlight Butterfly knows better than them. Her one personal experience is the voice for all and generations to come!

Oh and men never dress to impress girls either, we're just confident in ourselves.

 

[DugMachine]

I seriously don't get what the big deal is. This is not some game changer we're talking about here. It's dead or a alive, a fucking fighting game with jiggle physics. It's not trying to change the world and has a niche market. Just let the fucking tits be and when games like Journey starts putting double Ds on their little characters then maybe we should start calling foul.

Dead
or
fucking
alive.

Seriously, stop making this a bigger issue than it is.

 

[userwhoquitthesite]

>Implies breasts larger than your head look attractive.

lolwut

Well consider that large breasts are pretty rare in japanese women...
Also, good job being the first poster, and thus starting the thread off with a sense of superiority and ridicule of another culture.

It's big cartoon tits, not ritual sacrifice. You don't need to be so arrogant

 

[Chiave]

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Want to give Gladys Knight and DjinnFor a shout out on my first post. I sincerely thank you for having common sense. Also, thanks for trying to help your fellow human beings out.

Allow me to assist you!

Notice how the people crying "sexism" have absolutely no talent, other than to point out things that they find offensive in video games; games that took thousands upon thousands of hours planning, drawing and programming ect. To the people doing this, I have a simple question:

How do you live with yourself?

Do these fictional characters really bring harm onto you? Moreover, the Dead or Alive series is known for its' marketing towards boys, so why exactly are you all acting as if jiggle physics is a complete surprise?

What you people fail to realize (although it has probably been stated several times...) is that you, yes you, are paving the way for politically correct dogma to dictate gaming. The truth is that you have no 'right' to demand from the developers that they re-engineer their games to fit around your specific view of morality and what's right.

I'm sick of you people trying to control and piggy back onto the creative process of video games. Rather than create your own quality product, you decide to butt into everybody else's work and dictate to everyone else "what is and what isn't offensive."

No talent complainers, who don't create anything, should have absolutely no say in the creative process of any video game. Unless they're the one's planning, designing, programming, thinking up characters ect.

 

[Danzavare]

I would like to retroactively withdraw all my past comments in defence of the DOA series.

As per usual, I'll point out that things like this are a silly, annoying and unnecessary part of games. If you're really that desperate to stare at female-like bodies, you're a 2 second google search away from solving your problem for free.

 

[RadioactiveMicrobe]

I'm so used to boobs in Team Ninja games, I've come to expect it. It's almost a tradition. If it was taken out, I'd be sad. I don't look at the boobs, (I mean, other than the distracted "looks at movement" looks.) but it's a tradition! Every Team Ninja game before this was looked on with slight bemusement with the whole boob thing. Why are we so shocked now? And don't tell me society is changing. It's not, this whole, "gender-equality" thing has become a buzz word. And anything that like this is immediately thrown on a bandwagon of hate. It's quite sad really. Pretty soon, developers are going to be too scared to make human characters, because their last game was trashed, because the female character had long hair, and that's sexist.

 

[Boogie Knights]

Hey guys I heard there were bosoms in here

 

[bluepilot]

I guess that it is part of Japanese culture to super-deform characters: big eyes, big breasts, huge heads...case in point, hello kitty (except for the breasts).

I think that women are either portrayed as submissive, or a strong but in a thong (Ghost in a shell) in most genre of Japanese media.

I do not like the way that Japanese culture portrays women, most are ridiculously deformed with non-exisitant proportions, but at the same time it is not something that I take seriously because I do not feel threatened by it.

We do not want to deprive all of those lonely and sexually dysfunctional men from snuggling their breast-shaped pillows.

 

[Ramzal]

DoA Dev Says Jiggle Physics Are Part of Japanese Culture

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CxK_nA2iVXw

It's fantasy, not reality. Why do we even make this a valid topic when there are way better things to address.... like invincible shrubbery in Call of Duty.

 

[Ramzal]

I guess that it is part of Japanese culture to super-deform characters: big eyes, big breasts, huge heads...case in point, hello kitty (except for the breasts).

I think that women are either portrayed as submissive, or a strong but in a thong (Ghost in a shell) in most genre of Japanese media.

I do not like the way that Japanese culture portrays women, most are ridiculously deformed with non-exisitant proportions, but at the same time it is not something that I take seriously because I do not feel threatened by it.

We do not want to deprive all of those lonely and sexually dysfunctional men from snuggling their breast-shaped pillows.

She disagrees with your opinion. She's a B-cup at best and still awesome while being humanly flawed. There are -plenty- of women in Japanese games that are strong and still dressed with some sense and not begging for attention.

 

[Blood Brain Barrier]

Yeah but it;s not a conscious choice. We don't sit there and decide 'Oh I will wear this because some random man will like it'. -.-

OK, just to make sure: you firmly believe that women NEVER dress attractively to be attractive?

I think you, and others, are totally misunderstanding her.

Women (and men for that matter) dress attractively to make themselves feel good. This feeling good comes from others, including men, admiring and appreciating their looks.

Men are a means, not a goal, in this.

They do not dress attractively so that anyone else may feel good about looking at them. How others feel whilst appreciating them is irrelevant, as long as they're being appreciated.

Just examine the feeling you get yourself when you're dressed up in a fancy suit or any other clothing you think you look good in and someone else notices that.

It also makes them feel very good to think that men play no part in their wish to be attractive. This is false, but the wish to maintain the positive feelings they get from the deception is too strong to see through it.

Oh so you know better than the poor women who are too blinded by their delusional thinking to know what motivates their own actions. Are you a mindreader perhaps, or do you just think you know everything about what women really think?

I think thoughts are the least things that motivate our actions. That's out of our hands, and into the hands of the psychologists. I don't see why I'm more qualified to say why I act than someone else is, if they have a better argument than me.