DOAX3 officially not being localized for the west
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I wouldn't go so far as to say they don't care at all.Elfgore said:
Some of them clearly do...
See if you can find some of the discussions that were held in Japan regarding the legal status of Lolicon.
Or, their apparent reasoning for banning the commercial production of actual child pornography.
... Something they only did in 1998 by the way...
You'll almost certainly run into a lot of stuff that relates to how the rest of the world thinks of Japan.
Kinda disturbing really, if you think about it...
That their justification for banning child pornography may not have been 'this is wrong', but 'the rest of the world thinks we are weird and creepy.'
Yeah...
They might not care that much, but I wouldn't go so far as to say they don't care at all...
Bloodrayne and Postal both got movies (Uwe Bol says hi). That's not a barometer of quality or popularity.deadish said:
They are just easily exploited IPs that were sold to sutdios for peanuts. It also bombed miserably as both a commercial and critical failure, something it shares in common with DOAX2 funnily enough.
So yeah, extremely small would be what I'd say too. Niche is the key word. Niche can work though, but obviously Play Asia and Koei Tecmo don't think it's viable.
What cynical marketing rubbish. They snatched "SJW" as a buzzword from the Twittersphere, and are trotting it out as a cynical, nonsense excuse.
They don't want to front the (pretty hefty) cost of localizing a game that will have a niche American audience. These kinds of decisions are something which they and other Japanese developers have chosen to take in the past. It's a pretty critical decision to make when the costs of over-reaching into the international market can eat into the "safer" and less risky gains to be had in Japanese domestic market.
Also, not being "localized" doesn't mean there isn't an international release. There will be one, but it'll have subtitles.
By not localizing, they just didn't want to bother re-scripting for better english language text, provide english voice work or edit strange Japanese cultural references. And that's because all of that costs a significant amount of money.
This isn't "SJW" censorship. This is a corporation doing what a corporation is incentivized to do. Make money. And they're taking advantage of a feminist/anti-feminist culture clash as an excuse so it doesn't hit their PR with the US fans.
They don't want to front the (pretty hefty) cost of localizing a game that will have a niche American audience. These kinds of decisions are something which they and other Japanese developers have chosen to take in the past. It's a pretty critical decision to make when the costs of over-reaching into the international market can eat into the "safer" and less risky gains to be had in Japanese domestic market.
Also, not being "localized" doesn't mean there isn't an international release. There will be one, but it'll have subtitles.
By not localizing, they just didn't want to bother re-scripting for better english language text, provide english voice work or edit strange Japanese cultural references. And that's because all of that costs a significant amount of money.
This isn't "SJW" censorship. This is a corporation doing what a corporation is incentivized to do. Make money. And they're taking advantage of a feminist/anti-feminist culture clash as an excuse so it doesn't hit their PR with the US fans.
This might not have anything to do with "SJWs" at all.
https://twitter.com/koeitecmoeurope/status/669507094584950784
We said the CM was honest to confirm that isn't coming to the west.We don't approve that he put the blame on anyone.
Given the official facebook was used as proof SJWs were behind the lack of localisation, I assume the official Twitter is valid proof that said facebook statement does not have full company backing?
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Why are there 3 threads on this? Given this Twitter announcement is quite important I feel it needs to be put in each thread, but at the same time it feels like I'm spamming.
https://twitter.com/koeitecmoeurope/status/669507094584950784
We said the CM was honest to confirm that isn't coming to the west.We don't approve that he put the blame on anyone.
Given the official facebook was used as proof SJWs were behind the lack of localisation, I assume the official Twitter is valid proof that said facebook statement does not have full company backing?
++EDIT++
Why are there 3 threads on this? Given this Twitter announcement is quite important I feel it needs to be put in each thread, but at the same time it feels like I'm spamming.
Generally speaking, deadish, people use "sales" as a metric to gauge market size, not "did it get a movie made out of it".deadish said:
And since the movie was a bomb too, you pointing out its existence only further establishes the point that hardly anyone gives a shit about this franchise. In fact, I'd wager that none of the people presently wringing their hands over it not coming west give a shit about it either, save as ammunition in their ongoing crusade against the
Unfortunately no one is going to care. The truth of the allegation was never important, simply that it was made.Superbeast said:
I've used PlayAsia.com, got 2 games from them and was not disappointed by the speed I got them in.RJ 17 said:
Generally speaking you don't make a movie if you don't think the property is going to be profitable.BloatedGuppy said:
They made a Mario Bros movie. It bombed big time - less than half its budget at the box office. The market for Mario in the early 90s must have been "extremely small".
Once again, the market size for a game is determined by the sales of said game. Not whether or not someone thought there was profit in making a film from it.deadish said:
I have no idea why you think the Mario Bros. movie bombing is relevant to this discussion in any way. Is it your contention that because both Mario Bros and Dead and Alive had movies made out of them, and both films were poorly received, that the two properties have equivalent market sizes?deadish said:
I hope it is, because that would be amazing.
Play Asia is selling an English subtitled version 
It's a shame that Yohei Shimbori took a stance to not bring the game over because of all the shit he was constantly getting on twitter and didn't want to deal with the barrage of complaints from people who weren't going to buy the game anyways.
It's a shame that Yohei Shimbori took a stance to not bring the game over because of all the shit he was constantly getting on twitter and didn't want to deal with the barrage of complaints from people who weren't going to buy the game anyways.
I'm NOT the one asserting that just because the DoA movie bombed that must mean the US market for DoA is "extremely small".BloatedGuppy said:
Mario is a counter example.
The success/failure of the movies based on a game have little to nothing to do with how well a game is received - but whether a movie gets made does depend on how well a game is received.
No one is asserting that. In fact, people have continually attempted to tell you that the performance of the DoA movie is utterly irrelevant to the market size for the game, which sold less than 600,000 copies globally. That's not very many. Your rebuttal to this has perpetually been "but they made a film", and I've yet to understand why you think that matters.deadish said:
My assertion is they made a film because it's relatively popular enough to make a film based on it.BloatedGuppy said:
600,000 is pretty good for a typical game - not every game is going to be GTA.
The market for it is by no means "extremely small" like some here like to claim. It's big enough to be worthwhile localizing that's for sure.
Those are global sales. And not, they're not good.deadish said:
Yes, it is.deadish said:
Apparently not.deadish said:
It's good enough to keep making them - i.e. it's profitable.BloatedGuppy said:
It was also profitable enough before to localize ...
Why not just admit that the hostile press is partially responsible for them not bring it over to the west? The SJWs have won. Artistic freedom be damned.
The rest of the us have to pay for the whining of a minority.
Arguing that because something happened once it will continue to happen into the future is rather bankrupt reasoning.deadish said:
Because it was tweeted by a community manager, and the developers of the game later stated they only intended for him to confirm the game was releasing in the west, and did not approve of him blaming anyone for that happening?deadish said:
Oh let me guess though. They're probably lying, out of terror.
Yes I agree. Listening to minority groups whine loudly on the internet is EXHAUSTING.deadish said:
If the market is too small for them to really make money, then why make it? Well they could be doing it for the art? That is kind of funny. You don't normally think of titillation games as passion projects. I mean this game just fascinates me. There dosen't seem to be a reason for it existing other then it dose.