DOAX3 officially not being localized for the west

[Something Amyss]

The SJWs have won. Artistic freedom be damned.

Well, except for the part where they still have the artistic freedom to release the game.

But since I'm here anyway, isn't it strange how "artistic freedom" only seems to apply to titty games and ultraviolence? The "artistic freedom" crowd was hardly heard from when Gone Home was under fire...except when they were voicing their opinions against the game's sale. It's like only some people are entitled to free speech and artistic freedom or something.

 

[Defective_Detective]

Why not just admit that the hostile press is partially responsible for them not bring it over to the west? The SJWs have won. Artistic freedom be damned.

The rest of the us have to pay for the whining of a minority.

People are free to buy whatever games they want. People are free to say whatever they want about games. And people are free to listen to or ignore whatever recommendations people make about games.

These concepts are called freedom of speech and freedom of the market.

If your response to criticism of your product is "fine then I won't make it..." that is an admission that you have no faith in your product, and that it won't find its audience.

This game isn't being localized because it's a niche genre, being produced by a company that clearly doesn't think it's worth paying the extra money to localize, that has been scaling back its localized international titles for a while now. And some butthurt community manager tried to trot out a pathetic excuse based around a hot buzzword to disguise the fact that they have no faith in their product, and don't want to spend the money or effort making it better for a western audience.

How can you tell? 'Cause they're still releasing it! As a cheaper-to-produce international import with subtitles, instead of a tailored, more expensive to make, localization. This decision has everything to do with money, and a lack of faith in finding a western audience, and next to nothing to do with some sustained feminist press campaign.

You want this game. Go buy it. Literally no one is stopping you.

 

[Superbeast]

Why not just admit that the hostile press is partially responsible for them not bring it over to the west? The SJWs have won. Artistic freedom be damned.

Because it was tweeted by a community manager, and the developers of the game later stated they only intended for him to confirm the game was releasing in the west, and did not approve of him blaming anyone for that happening?

Oh let me guess though. They're probably lying, out of terror.

Looks like you were right about people completely ignoring my post with the company's position on the matter. I know its on page 6, but I would have thought that people paying attention to a controversy like this would be aware of it?

 

[Redryhno]

Why not just admit that the hostile press is partially responsible for them not bring it over to the west? The SJWs have won. Artistic freedom be damned.

The rest of the us have to pay for the whining of a minority.

People are free to buy whatever games they want. People are free to say whatever they want about games. And people are free to listen to or ignore whatever recommendations people make about games.

So are you also saying that console exclusives are fine and dandy too? If you want the game, just buy it and the system it's on...

 

[scorn the biomage]

Why not just admit that the hostile press is partially responsible for them not bring it over to the west? The SJWs have won. Artistic freedom be damned.

OK so the developer/publisher is too thin of skin to handle criticism how is that censorship.

 

[Inglorious891]

Alright, I'm going to stop ignoring the elephant in the room and just say it: hardly anyone cares about your babyface softcore porn simulator not getting localized. I guarantee that a majority of people who have seem this thread/controversy are rolling their eyes and moving on with their day. It's completely ridiculous that this "issue" is trying to be blown up to be some giant attack on free speech and gaming as we know it even though all its done is cause a minor inconvenience to those who actually want to buy this... "game". If you really want it, you can easily import it. KT gave links to allow people to do so; the only thing you've lost is a few more days in shipping time. How all of this is a big deal to anyone is beyond me.

 

[Dreiko_v1legacy]

Alright, I'm going to stop ignoring the elephant in the room and just say it: hardly anyone cares about your babyface softcore porn simulator not getting localized. I guarantee that a majority of people who have seem this thread/controversy are rolling their eyes and moving on with their day. It's completely ridiculous that this "issue" is trying to be blown up to be some giant attack on free speech and gaming as we know it even though all its done is cause a minor inconvenience to those who actually want to buy this... "game". If you really want it, you can easily import it. KT gave links to allow people to do so; the only thing you've lost is a few more days in shipping time. How all of this is a big deal to anyone is beyond me.

It's the precedent it sets. Censorship is insidious like that. First they come for the boobs and ass simulator and nobody gives a damn but by the time things "mainstream westerners" tend to like are getting disallowed it'd be already too late. You can't say "this one thing, this one is just vile enough that it's ok to censor it" because who is to say what is "vile enough". You may draw the line at this game but someone could draw it at something like GTA, someone could draw it at God of War. The only 100% surefire way to ensure that we can keep having the games we actually like is not allowing anything to be censored.

 

[Lunar Templar]

So a game that's basically soft core porn is not coming to the west and they've chosen to blame a bunch of whiny morons for what is most likely a decision made in a board room where said whiny morons probably never came up once in the conversation.

I smell bullshit, but at the same time. I don't really care.

It's just DOA, 'soft core porn' the fighting game or in this case 'soft core voyeur porn', it's not like it's Dark Souls or some other series we're suddenly not getting.

So I call bullshit on the reason given, but ultimately 'nothing of value lost'

 

[BloatedGuppy]

So are you also saying that console exclusives are fine and dandy too? If you want the game, just buy it and the system it's on...

Define "fine and dandy". They've existed for decades and people seem to be buying consoles, so it appears to be a perfectly functional system.

 

[Redryhno]

So are you also saying that console exclusives are fine and dandy too? If you want the game, just buy it and the system it's on...

Define "fine and dandy". They've existed for decades and people seem to be buying consoles, so it appears to be a perfectly functional system.

Yet many people still ***** and moan about it...people complain about CoD and other yearly iterations getting higher sales than what is considered more 'worthy'. The point of the post was that if this is ok, do they also agree with console exclusives? And if not, what is the difference?

I mean, unless you are Defective Detective, I don't really think your opinion is especially all that valid as an answer. No offense.

 

[BloatedGuppy]

Yet many people still ***** and moan about it...people complain about CoD and other yearly iterations getting higher sales than what is considered more 'worthy'.

People ***** and moan about a lot of things, particularly on the subject of spending money. If the metric used for determining whether or not something was "fine and dandy" is "did anyone ever ***** and moan about it" then no, nothing is fine and dandy. Everything is terrible.

The point of the post was that if this is ok, do they also agree with console exclusives? And if not, what is the difference?

Please define "agree with". I would prefer if nothing is exclusive, but that doesn't mean said preference should be writ. Are you arguing this company should not be able to distribute games in the regions of their choosing? I'm confused.

I mean, unless you are Defective Detective, I don't really think your opinion is especially all that valid as an answer. No offense.

Allllrighty then. I'll let you get back to your conversational partner of choice.

 

[Inglorious891]

Alright, I'm going to stop ignoring the elephant in the room and just say it: hardly anyone cares about your babyface softcore porn simulator not getting localized. I guarantee that a majority of people who have seem this thread/controversy are rolling their eyes and moving on with their day. It's completely ridiculous that this "issue" is trying to be blown up to be some giant attack on free speech and gaming as we know it even though all its done is cause a minor inconvenience to those who actually want to buy this... "game". If you really want it, you can easily import it. KT gave links to allow people to do so; the only thing you've lost is a few more days in shipping time. How all of this is a big deal to anyone is beyond me.

It's the precedent it sets. Censorship is insidious like that. First they come for the boobs and ass simulator and nobody gives a damn but by the time things "mainstream westerners" tend to like are getting disallowed it'd be already too late. You can't say "this one thing, this one is just vile enough that it's ok to censor it" because who is to say what is "vile enough". You may draw the line at this game but someone could draw it at something like GTA, someone could draw it at God of War. The only 100% surefire way to ensure that we can keep having the games we actually like is not allowing anything to be censored.

Exceeeeeept it's not being censored. No part of it is being changed to meet with the demands of a group of people, nor it is impossible for any Westerner to actually buy the game. If you really want it, you can just import it (as I said in my first post).

And let's not compare God of War or GTA to a softcore porn game. God of War or GTA actually have some artistic merit where, by their disappearance, gaming would be lesser. Gaming isn't losing any artistic merit from DOA babyface volleyball being a bit harder for Westerners to get.

 

[TheTygre]

Alright, I'm going to stop ignoring the elephant in the room and just say it: hardly anyone cares about your babyface softcore porn simulator not getting localized. I guarantee that a majority of people who have seem this thread/controversy are rolling their eyes and moving on with their day. It's completely ridiculous that this "issue" is trying to be blown up to be some giant attack on free speech and gaming as we know it even though all its done is cause a minor inconvenience to those who actually want to buy this... "game". If you really want it, you can easily import it. KT gave links to allow people to do so; the only thing you've lost is a few more days in shipping time. How all of this is a big deal to anyone is beyond me.

It's the precedent it sets. Censorship is insidious like that. First they come for the boobs and ass simulator and nobody gives a damn but by the time things "mainstream westerners" tend to like are getting disallowed it'd be already too late. You can't say "this one thing, this one is just vile enough that it's ok to censor it" because who is to say what is "vile enough". You may draw the line at this game but someone could draw it at something like GTA, someone could draw it at God of War. The only 100% surefire way to ensure that we can keep having the games we actually like is not allowing anything to be censored.

Exceeeeeept it's not being censored. No part of it is being changed to meet with the demands of a group of people, nor it is impossible for any Westerner to actually buy the game. If you really want it, you can just import it (as I said in my first post).

And let's not compare God of War or GTA to a softcore porn game. God of War or GTA actually have some artistic merit where, by their disappearance, gaming would be lesser. Gaming isn't losing any artistic merit from DOA babyface volleyball being a bit harder for Westerners to get.

Ooooh. Buddy, let's not open the 'artistic merit' can of worms. That's a long and dusty road that goes nowhere good.

 

[BloatedGuppy]

Ooooh. Buddy, let's not open the 'artistic merit' can of worms. That's a long and dusty road that goes nowhere good.

He's not saying DOAX has no artistic merit (although it doesn't, but I digress). He's saying that a game being marginally more difficult to acquire isn't "censorship" in any meaningful way, even a hysterically watered down way.

 

[TheTygre]

Ooooh. Buddy, let's not open the 'artistic merit' can of worms. That's a long and dusty road that goes nowhere good.

He's not saying DOAX has no artistic merit (although it doesn't, but I digress). He's saying that a game being marginally more difficult to acquire isn't "censorship" in any meaningful way, even a hysterically watered down way.

I'm just sayin'; one issue at a time here, that's all.

 

[Defective_Detective]

So are you also saying that console exclusives are fine and dandy too? If you want the game, just buy it and the system it's on...

Define "fine and dandy". They've existed for decades and people seem to be buying consoles, so it appears to be a perfectly functional system.

Yet many people still ***** and moan about it...people complain about CoD and other yearly iterations getting higher sales than what is considered more 'worthy'. The point of the post was that if this is ok, do they also agree with console exclusives? And if not, what is the difference?

I mean, unless you are Defective Detective, I don't really think your opinion is especially all that valid as an answer. No offense.

Um, last time I checked, this was an open and free internet forum*, not a private conversation between you and I with its own special set of rules. BloatedGuppy's opinion is completely valid as an answer, since they are free to have their quid's worth on the matter, and I have no obligation to return at any point to answer you specifically.

And... Yes. A console is traditionally necessary to play a console game. So, you are free to buy the console, the controller, a couch pillow to sit on, electricity to light up the magical box of electronic wonder... In any case, I think you're taking this away from the actual point of discussion on this thread...


*With Escapist forum guidelines and rules in effect. After all, we aren't barbarians...

 

[Redryhno]

So are you also saying that console exclusives are fine and dandy too? If you want the game, just buy it and the system it's on...

Define "fine and dandy". They've existed for decades and people seem to be buying consoles, so it appears to be a perfectly functional system.

Yet many people still ***** and moan about it...people complain about CoD and other yearly iterations getting higher sales than what is considered more 'worthy'. The point of the post was that if this is ok, do they also agree with console exclusives? And if not, what is the difference?

I mean, unless you are Defective Detective, I don't really think your opinion is especially all that valid as an answer. No offense.

Um, last time I checked, this was an open and free internet forum*, not a private conversation between you and I with its own special set of rules. BloatedGuppy's opinion is completely valid as an answer, since they are free to have their quid's worth on the matter, and I have no obligation to return at any point to answer you specifically.

And... Yes. A console is traditionally necessary to play a console game. So, you are free to buy the console, the controller, a couch pillow to sit on, electricity to light up the magical box of electronic wonder... In any case, I think you're taking this away from the actual point of discussion on this thread...


*With Escapist forum guidelines and rules in effect. After all, we aren't barbarians...

Silly as I think your opinion on this matter is, at least you're consistent.

And while his answer was AN answer, he wasn't the person I was asking from, therefore, it wasn't valid with the stipulation I plopped onto it.

 

[Lightspeaker]

But since I'm here anyway, isn't it strange how "artistic freedom" only seems to apply to titty games and ultraviolence? The "artistic freedom" crowd was hardly heard from when Gone Home was under fire...except when they were voicing their opinions against the game's sale. It's like only some people are entitled to free speech and artistic freedom or something.

I own Gone Home, had a rather nice time with it actually. Touching story and I enjoyed the atmosphere even if the gameplay was a bit lacking. In fact I've defended the game numerous times elsewhere against rather more unpleasant crowds than are seen around here for its artistic stylings.

I simultaneously think that, yes, this is precisely the result of pressure on artistic freedom. Specifically members of the development team apparently feel sufficiently pressured by the hatred, yelling, screaming and abuse that has apparently become normal and to be expected "because sexism" that they don't feel its worth inviting all of that by localising it specifically for regions where that's likely to come from.

So...yeah, thanks for the insult but you're wrong. It IS possible to both support Gone Home's existence AND to oppose this kind of societal suppression by conservative attitudes and perspectives. It goes against my fundamentally liberal nature.


(Though on a side note the 'artistic freedom' argument for the ME3 ending is still utter nonsense. That was nothing to do with artistic freedom and everything to do with specific commitments they made, after the game was already complete, which failed to materialise. False advertising, plain and simple. /RandomRageAndYesItStillHurts)

 

[CaitSeith]

(Though on a side note the 'artistic freedom' argument for the ME3 ending is still utter nonsense. That was nothing to do with artistic freedom and everything to do with specific commitments they made, after the game was already complete, which failed to materialise. False advertising, plain and simple. /RandomRageAndYesItStillHurts)

There an accepted preconception that game advertisement won't reflect the final experience. Yes, it's shit and it hurts. But it's a problem in the industry as a whole, not just ME3. So until that is fixed, you can't expect to win more terrain with the "false advertising" approach.

EDIT: Oh, I suppose I should write something about the OP, right? Err... less blood, more boobs!

 

[Lightspeaker]

(Though on a side note the 'artistic freedom' argument for the ME3 ending is still utter nonsense. That was nothing to do with artistic freedom and everything to do with specific commitments they made, after the game was already complete, which failed to materialise. False advertising, plain and simple. /RandomRageAndYesItStillHurts)

There an accepted preconception that game advertisement won't reflect the final experience. Yes, it's shit and it hurts. But it's a problem in the industry as a whole, not just ME3. So until that is fixed, you can't expect to win more terrain with the "false advertising" approach.

EDIT: Oh, I suppose I should write something about the OP, right? Err... less blood, more boobs!

I was more attacking the argument many have made that there was nothing wrong with what they did at all "because art".

But yeah, false advertising is a problem across the board.