Does anyone else find Bioshock Infinite's propaganda posters offensive?

Hammartroll

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The purpose of Columbia, the flying city in Bioshock Infinite, is to show the greatness Jeffersonian Democracy can achieve, which is an interesting idea, but the propaganda posters scattered around the city misrepresents it's values. Here's the main culprit:


First off most of the United States founders were Freemasons or at least approved of Freemason beliefes, and for the most part Deists. Freemasonry encouraged equality among all groups of people no matter their backround or religion, so having a picture of a founder refusing people entrance into the US simply because they're foreign as well as holding Christianity up as the prefered religion misrepresents American values, both in the 1700s and 1900s.
And to further examplify my point I want to refer to the poem "The New Colossus" which was written in 1883, a point in time very close to when Infinite takes place (basically the guilded age), and was engraved on the Statue of Liberty (which was pretty much a huge welcome sign to foreigners) in 1903.


Not like the brazen giant of Greek fame,
With conquering limbs astride from land to land;
Here at our sea-washed, sunset gates shall stand
A mighty woman with a torch, whose flame
Is the imprisoned lightning, and her name
Mother of Exiles. From her beacon-hand
Glows world-wide welcome; her mild eyes command
The air-bridged harbor that twin cities frame.
"Keep, ancient lands, your storied pomp!" cries she
With silent lips. "Give me your tired, your poor,
Your huddled masses yearning to breathe free,
The wretched refuse of your teeming shore.
Send these, the homeless, tempest-tost to me,
I lift my lamp beside the golden door!"

Now take another look at that propaganda poster, does it really represent American views or values? It obviously dosen't, infact it's an insult. It's a perversion of what the US really did stand for. I can understand making a modern political commentary about immigration even if I don't agree with the stance; just don't act like it's our founder's fault.


I also want to point out how inconsistant an idea it is to have a flying city designed to show off and encourage Jeffersonian Democracy to other nations around the globe, but have posters telling those people they're cretans and to stay out. Columbia might as well be a giant flying middle finger.. and posters like this certainly dosn't help:


I understand there was a eugenics movement in the United States some time in the 20s, but it's purpose was to breed out the crippled and mentally ill, basically burdens of the state, not promote a particular race; that was just the Nazies. So once again the game is wrongly portraying the US as racist.

I know the US has been involved in some questionable activities both today and through out history, but to miscontrue us as total bad guys and disregard the strides in equality and humanity America has made is just looking at things in black and white and if anything, it's a sign that the creators of this game are victims of anti-American propaganda themselves.
 

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I would have thought that Bioshock was always a little bit wonky in it's logic, Infinite it the first time politics outside of Rapture have really come into the game so I'm interested to see how it goes.

As your the thread question. No.

Now take another look at that propaganda poster, does it really represent American views or values? It obviously dosen't, infact it's an insult. It's a perversion of what the US really did stand for. I can understand making a modern political commentary about immigration even if I don't agree with the stance; just don't act like it's our founder's fault.
Am I missing something but how is a flying city that is in a possible alternate time line/future representative of current time America?
 

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you must understand that these people thought they were above the rest, the saw Themistocles better than everyone and if you weren't like them then you are beneath them, it kinda like nazi but before they happen. It also seem like they had a different set of rules then america at the time.
 

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I guess gene-altering drugs and altitude sickness on a literally epic scale can do funny things to the honourable values of a noble society.
 
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It's propaganda. It's supposed to be misguided and offensive. Go look at US war propaganda from WW2 to get people to support the Pacific war effort.
 

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I feel like you're forgetting one very important aspect: BioShock is intended to represent dystopic societies. Look at Rapture. It's an obvious perversion of actual Socialist philosophies. If Columbia was the actual utopia it was supposed to be, there wouldn't be any point for the game because everything would be solved peacefully and there would be no conflict. The propaganda is supposed to be inherently fallacious: it's propaganda.
 

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I think the point of Bioshock is the idea of good intentions gone bad. Rapture was meant to be a utopia but it didn't work out. So they took these good democratic values and pushed them to the extreme in order to create another broken society. Nothing to be upset about, it's just a story telling device.
 

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Er, isn't the point? Columbia is supposed to be a dark version of the United States, plus it's set in the 20's, so of course there's going to be racisim.
 

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Its suppose to be offensive. The place we play in Bioshock Infinite was made and founded by a bunch of (racist) americans that don't believe (or just ignore) the things about America that is completely against racism because they don't like those parts.
You seem to be missing the point friend.
 

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I was just browsing through some actual propaganda from WWII-era United States, and I was prepping to post some of them here as examples, but frankly, I think they're just too offensive.

Do a quick Google Image Search for yourself, though, and see just how far it can go.

In answer: no, it's not offensive. In fact, it's far less offensive than actual propaganda of the time, produced by the United States itself, was.

Kind of missed the mark for what the Bioshock series is about, have we?
 

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Maybe that is Columbia's goal.

After it stayed it's course and helped out, it's citizens demanded to be a seperate entity.

This thing hasn't even come out yet, wait a while . . .
 

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Which part of "Columbia was made to show the best of the American experiment, but went horribly wrong" did you not understand?

I can't believe this even a thought in someone's head, let alone a fucking thread. The whole point is that its this amazing thing to look at, but in reality is rotten to the core - its also based on political movements at the time. And I hate to break it to you (even though you're missing the point so this is rather irrelevant) but America has tonnes of racism now, let alone 100 years ago.
 

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Nothing Offends me anymore.

Also I think you've kind of missed the point of Culumbia. It may believe that it's a utopia for American ideals but also note that it is no longer part of America, it's separated itself from the main country. It's people have a screwed idea of what American ideals even are, they may not agree with mainland America.

Also note that many American people of today are racist and have a very right wing view on immigration, no matter what the history of the country may be.

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Culumbia's pretty close to the real thing.
 
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The game is set in the early 1900's.

People didn't much care for racial equality back then, so the posters make sense.
 

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That is the point, really. It's a city that supposed to represent the best the US has to offer and instead has taken refuge in isolatism, xenophobia and nationalism. Which is what makes it so interesting to me.