Does anyone else find Fox's new Terra Nova insulting and just generally stupid?

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Mikeyfell

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twistedmic said:
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Humanity has some real problems if their best and brightest can't see the FUCKING problem with building a settlement ON TOP OF A FUCKING DINOSAUR BREADING GROUND! It wasn't even an accident they picked that spot BECAUSE dinosaurs lay eggs there. And these are the idiots that in charge of saving humanity?

They though that the breeding ground had been abandoned. They found the shells ten feet underground ova on the breeding ground.
I know, I watched the episode. I remember.

I also took Biology in Highschool. Fish, birds, insects, and reptiles remember where they lay their eggs. You'd think one of the "best and brightest" the future had to offer would at least study the shells enough to figure out that they belonged to migratory bird lizards. Well it's a thing I would check if I were in charge of picking a spot to build a permanent settlement in an extremely hostile environment.
 

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Did anyone else think it was odd that they conveniently found a hole in the universe that went to a prehistoric alternate timeline?

The show would be cooler if it was the same timeline and their actions have an effect on the future and they try to undo the changes they made
 

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okay, you guys are taking this WAY to seriously. Your acting like they just killed your pet. It's a Fucking TV show, not a documentary. Its FOR FUCKING FUN. I think they kicked out all chances of realism when they went BACK IN TIME.

Most people who watch this show, like me, DONT care about the science. It's soft Sci-Fi, meaning it's not based around realistic facts about what Sci-Fi could be.

What, should we start hating on any TV show when it's not realistic? Also your points on White-Americans Darth, um... There is LOTS of minorites. Also the main characters wife isn't even white and not even AMERICAN (it was obvious with her heavy-british-like accent.) Same goes for other characters.
 

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Mikeyfell said:
Humanity has some real problems if their best and brightest can't see the FUCKING problem with building a settlement ON TOP OF A FUCKING DINOSAUR BREADING GROUND! It wasn't even an accident they picked that spot BECAUSE dinosaurs lay eggs there. And these are the idiots that in charge of saving humanity?
Should be said, though, dinosaurs aren't really that scary. Though, human never co-existed with them, they have lived alongside all sorts of nasty beasts, briefly.

Used to have 2 ton predatory goannas, giant(er) crocodiles, 3m tall kangaroos and predatory birds, 40 ft snakes and so on in Australia. 40-50,000 years ago, intelligent primates with stone tools and fire rocked up and wiped them all out...though, they went on to deny involvement. Same as the Klovis comet rubbish in North America.
 

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jackpackage200 said:
Did anyone else think it was odd that they conveniently found a hole in the universe that went to a prehistoric alternate timeline?

The show would be cooler if it was the same timeline and their actions have an effect on the future and they try to undo the changes they made
That would be way too hard/confusing, not to mention all the paradoxes that would occur (inevitably making people like the OP complain even harder)
 
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http://tvtropes.org/pmwiki/pmwiki.php/Main/MST3KMantra

I'm just going to leave that up there.

Anyway, a new, relatively clever show on U.S. television is a breath of fresh air seeing as Network owners have all but said; "Cancel all the smart stuff on T.V. Reality Television is cheaper to make and the idiots will buy anything they see in the ad breaks."

I mean how many terrific show have been cancelled not because of bad ratings, but because some idiot up in the offices of (insert name of major network here) has decided that their audiences just "Don't get it." ?

[/mini rant]
 

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Korten12 said:
okay, you guys are taking this WAY to seriously. Your acting like they just killed your pet. It's a Fucking TV show, not a documentary. Its FOR FUCKING FUN. I think they kicked out all chances of realism when they went BACK IN TIME.

Most people who watch this show, like me, DONT care about the science. It's soft Sci-Fi, meaning it's not based around realistic facts about what Sci-Fi could be.
Yes it is very petty of me to get annoyed that a TV show I don't like is sandwiched in between two TV shows I do like and therefor making me entertain myself for an hour in between having it done for me.

It's almost as petty as reading someones opinion then criticizing them for expressing their opinion on a forum site. Way to make me feel like less of a man for having an opinion that doesn't agree with yours.

Yes the science was bad but it was the awful writing, terrible directing, and complete lack of pacing that turned me off the show. So you're watching the show for fun, how do you let those things slide?
 

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Jesus Christ man! have a sense of adventure or imagination! do you criticize every fucking thing you see on tv that doesn't align with reality? Basing everything off so called "logic" is what makes this world dry and bland.

that being said i thought the show looked silly and chose not to watch it.
 

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thaluikhain said:
Should be said, though, dinosaurs aren't really that scary. Though, human never co-existed with them, they have lived alongside all sorts of nasty beasts, briefly.

Used to have 2 ton predatory goannas, giant(er) crocodiles, 3m tall kangaroos and predatory birds, 40 ft snakes and so on in Australia. 40-50,000 years ago, intelligent primates with stone tools and fire rocked up and wiped them all out...though, they went on to deny involvement. Same as the Klovis comet rubbish in North America.
You still shouldn't build your house right where crocodiles or kangaroos (or dinosaurs) are known to have their babies. Just to me, that rings of danger.
 

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Mikeyfell said:
Yes it is very petty of me to get annoyed that a TV show I don't like is sandwiched in between two TV shows I do like and therefor making me entertain myself for an hour in between having it done for me.
So your watching it, despite hating it and thus get more angry at it?

What?

It's almost as petty as reading someones opinion then criticizing them for expressing their opinion on a forum site. Way to make me feel like less of a man for having an opinion that doesn't agree with yours.
What? Seriosuly? I was just pointing out how you are overreacting, it's a TV show. It hasn't insulted you, it doesn't care what YOU think. If it's not what you wanted, it wasn't made for YOU.

Yes the science was bad but it was the awful writing, terrible directing, and complete lack of pacing that turned me off the show. So you're watching the show for fun, how do you let those things slide?
Because you know, those reasons ARE subjective.
 

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Mikeyfell said:
Humanity has some real problems if their best and brightest can't see the FUCKING problem with building a settlement ON TOP OF A FUCKING DINOSAUR BREADING GROUND! It wasn't even an accident they picked that spot BECAUSE dinosaurs lay eggs there. And these are the idiots that in charge of saving humanity?
The reason they're kinda forced to do this though, is thats the location where the time portal from the future puts them. So either they set up an entire secure settlement right where the timeportal puts them ensuring those that come through get to a safe location, or they set up the settlement ages away and have the newcomers arrive in the middle of nowhere in the middle of a dinosaur breeding ground with no security whatsoever.

If they dont get any communications from the future, then they also have the added problem of not knowing WHEN the newcomers will be arriving, so they'd have to keep a permanent lookout (again, at the unsecure breeding ground), or leave it completely, which is idiotic.

They didnt choose the location of the time portal, they made the best out of a bad situation and setting up their settlement at that location was the BEST possible decision they could make.
 

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You could communicate. Just leave some form of highly resistant message at a predesignated site and it will already have been there when they check and can send back supplies or whatever surely.
 

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jackpackage200 said:
Did anyone else think it was odd that they conveniently found a hole in the universe that went to a prehistoric alternate timeline?

The show would be cooler if it was the same timeline and their actions have an effect on the future and they try to undo the changes they made
Well, every hole in the universe I have found so far links to an alternate timeline. I'm beginning to think that's how ALL of them are, but I'm still waiting for some scientific consensus on the matter.

Also, the show has mentioned that the trip is one-way, but that they can communicate back with the future. Maybe they'll explain it in a later episode. Maybe they have a pair of quantum entangled quarks which vibrate through the 10th dimension and allow 5th dimensional parallel communication. Maybe that's just too hard to explain in a TV show aimed at people like you, so they left it out in favor of a longer shot of that British girl with the dreamy eyes and cute bottom in a bikini.

People who pick holes in TV shows have a complete lack of imagination. News flash: imagination is a sign of intelligence. Either you can't fill in the holes yourself, or you just nit pick shows/movies because you think it makes you look smarter. Sometimes plot holes are so serious as to ruin the story, but the ones you mention are just standard internet complaining.
 

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CplDustov said:
You could communicate. Just leave some form of highly resistant message at a predesignated site and it will already have been there when they check and can send back supplies or whatever surely.
They're in a different timeline though
 

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I think it's different enough from all the other programs to be enjoyable. And, with the current lack of Sci-Fi on the major networks, this is well needed.

Having seen the pilot and the next episode, could it be tweeked to be better? Sure.
But I actually found the acting to be awesome for the setting, the pacing was fine, and the CGI is well done for it bing a TV show. They had to do something with all that Avatar technology.

*Shrug* If you don't like it, don't watch it. And never debate "Real life" physics in a Sci-Fi show...
 

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Based on the synopsis of Terra Nova on Fox's website and the advertising blitz they threw at us I did not have high hopes for the series to begin with. The whole idea of sending people back in time 85 million years to save the species had a huge number of plot holes, as is basic with any time travel story anyway, but the way they went about it was just plain dumb for a variety of reasons. I could argue the bad CGI, kinda bad acting, poor and lazy writing forever. When looking at Terra Nova I don't see these thing I see basic ignorance and glaring stupidity advertised for all to see.

First, when we first encounter the time tunnel thing or whatever they state that in dialogue its a one way trip only and that this is the 10th such mission to that time. So basically they can't communicate with the people they already sent if everything is one way? I mean radio waves, even laser communications exist within reality and the way they describe it you are completely cut off. So as a 'pilgrim' you could just be generally being sent to your death none the wiser. I mean there could be a pile of corpses dead on the other side and no one would have any clue.

Second, sending people back 85 million years is basically just suicide. None of the plants or animals may be edible since our bodes are adapted to the post-Pliocene world, more specifically the Pleistocene and our current Holocene. We are completely unadapted to the Cretaceous world. Not only the food, plant life would be drastically different since flowering plants were just starting to appear. Even the atmosphere could be deadly with differing oxygen levels and microbes we are completely unadapted for. It also works vice versa where a simple bacteria in our bodies could devastate the planet of that time period.

Lastly, is the ethnocentric way humanity is being saved. Apparently mankind encompasses Anglo-Saxon traditional white Americans. Now one can argue that some minorities are there, but they are still minorities. I mean it makes no sense whatsoever. So as long as American culture survives the rest of the world be damned? Last I checked America was on the downward slope of world power and I highly doubt would be able to enforce committing the rest of the world to death.

I could go on and on how bad this show is and what a retarded bunch of chimps the writers are for ignoring obvious things. Overall, is just an amazing cascade of failure and I hope I am not the only one who just hopes it goes away very fast.

Well, any of these problems exist within the "modern people on a pre-historical adventure" premise, whether it's one of the many version of "Land Of The Lost" or the BBC's "Primeval" which I think is what they are actually trying to imitate.

As far as the political comments on ethnicity, like it or not that's kind of the way the world is. The USA *is* the dominant world power, and honestly the "downward slope" is debatable because really what your seeing is more a result of US morality than anything, whenever someone talks about the US ever representing it's own interests and stopping this you get one of those "this is why the world hates America" cracks, or liberals rants. It's not so much a matter of can't, but won't.

Even if the US ceases to be a global super power in a traditional sense, to be honest it's been fairly said that the USA has conquered the world more efficiently with Starbucks and The Big Mac than other similar powers have done with military invasion. Our influance is likely to be more or less eternal. Not to mention the simple fact that most people globally at least know America and understand it's culture to an extent. A guy from say Brazil and a guy from Thailand are both liable to be pretty familiar with America, it's culture, and it's conventions, where they probably have next to no knowlege of each other. Thus when dealing with global media the USA works as a decent middle ground. What's more the recognized advancement of the US, even if we were to go from a super power to merely being another world power (which hasn't happened yet, and might not occur in the foreseeable future) we're actually the country most likely to be able to do something like this and pursue it with a degree of benevolence. The USA at least cares what other people think, compared to most nations, even fairly progressive ones who would be far more ruthless about it's exploitation. Again it comes down to the morality that has caused the US to gradually slip away from power. With all the left wing Anti-Americanism we can produce a show with a straight face which has poeople telling the govermental powers "noes! you will not exploit this for America, it's for all of humanity" because for all of the bad things we've done we have been known to actually take that attitude... one of the reasons why we can be swayed so easily by internatonal opinion.

I mean you might not LIKE what I'm saying here, but understand that more goes into this than you might think, and while it might be hip to knock the US and the way media involving us is produced, there are some good reasons for it.

That said I have my doubtes about the survival of this show, largely because it's not a premise that has had much in the way of lasting success for a while. I think "Primeval" which is what they are trying to catch on the coattails of, was only a moderate success at best, and arguably had a better set up, even if they have had to screw around with alternate realities every season to justify radical changes to the show.
 

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drosalion said:
CplDustov said:
You could communicate. Just leave some form of highly resistant message at a predesignated site and it will already have been there when they check and can send back supplies or whatever surely.
They're in a different timeline though
... Ok yeah... fair point haha.. I give up then. It's time for bed anyway
 

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Well obviously the people at fox are going to hell for spreading this shitty rumor about dinosars. The earth was created by God 6000 years ago. Dinosar bones are Gods way of testing our faith, the Bible says so. there are no dinosars and people who believe in such blasfemy are going to hell for it because they dont follow the one TRUE God. Our lord and savoir Almighty. God knows what you beleve and he will judge you for it.
 

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Oh, goodness. I'm tempted to say "just go with it or don't watch" but really, it's a TV show that regularly features dinosaurs. What more could you want?

Then again, judging from these answers, people probably can want a lot more from this show.

On a funnier note, during the first episode my father and I played a little game where we tried to find as many black people as we could. We found about five, only one of which got to speak.