Does the south have any redeeming qualities?
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The south is a location. Nazi, is not a location. Where you live does not mean you act a certain way, and I would think you saying that being from the south means someone is automatically a racist says more negative things about you than it does southerners.
Somewhat disagree.
Where you live has it's own mores as your family unit does from anyone else. Take Japan. Sure, there are people in Japan that are more freedom and individualistic as any natural born American. But in Japan, the culture is based on the betterment (or really, non-boat rocking) of the general population.
Where you live completely means you ARE going to act a certain way. It doesn't necessarily mean that you will go in concordance with the societal norm of your location. But it will mean that you either will choose to, you will go against it (which might cause friction), you will not agree with it but you don't want any trouble so you make your best efforts not to be noticed, or you will seek to leave so you don't have to deal with it.
It will mean you act in one of those four ways. It is a stimulus, like any other.
You don't think history or geographical location have anything to do with people's morals or actions? You think for example its entirely coincidental that people born in the UK have a British accent and British morals?
That's pretty dense. The American South, with the history of Slavery, so much so Thomas Jefferson removed a condemnation of slavery for fear southern colonies wouldn't join the revolution, so much so the southern states rebelled against the Union BEFORE Lincoln was even sworn into office out of fear of losing their slaves, so much so southern states went to war and killed hundreds of thousands of loyal Union soldiers, so much so that when the civil war was over Southern reconstruction saw the rise of the Klan, thousand of blacks murdered and an entire race repressed for a hundred years, so much so they resisted desegregation, so much so even to this day they're actively trying to take away black voting rights, all of that, ALL OF THAT, its purely coincidental it takes place in the same dozen states?
That's a pretty naïve way of looking at history and people. People are not islands floating in a void, devoid of all outside interpretations and ideas. They are formed from their community, from those around them, who were formed by those around them the generation before. Go back 6 generations and the South still had slaves. It doesn't take a anthropologist to follow from 1 to 7.
Yet the most segregated cities and worst areas for blacks to live are northern cities and blue states... Just look at how democrat policies for covid were far worse for minorities than republican policies. California had minority students having to learn outside a 7-Eleven using wifi vs in Florida minority students were in actual school. The extremes the news likes to portray are rarely what is actually going on.
And yet the South has the most number of hate groups and hate crimes based on race or religion:
Hate Map
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Unless you're going to relocate about half the people living in the south, condemning The South is just geographical bullshit.
And I gotta say, you take Montana from 97% white to 60% white and shit's probably gonna get ugly. The South doesn't have a monopoly on racist bullshit
And I gotta say, you take Montana from 97% white to 60% white and shit's probably gonna get ugly. The South doesn't have a monopoly on racist bullshit
No one has a monopoly on racism anywhere. But if I were black I'd be a lot less concerned about being lynched in like Bridgeport Connecticut than I would in rural Alabama.
And its not so much geographical bullshit as it is understanding history and culture. The geographical location of the South didn't cause slavery, but the South had the slaves. It wasn't California that rebelled.
There's a reason the Confederate Flag is still so popular down there, and it ain't because how well Stonewall Jackson did during the Valley Campaign.
California also has slaves. Like, *right now*, and it's not remotely close to alone in that regard. The LAPD is notoriously racist and the LASD has several white supremacist gangs. The confederate flag is a ubiquitous symbol of assholes in *ever6* state. Condemning The South to give ourselves a pat on the back for being Not That Bad is bullshit.
Im not giving the North a pat on the back. Im just saying the South it terrible, these are the reasons why, no I see no redeeming qualities in them. California is racist yeah, so are every state. But they have redeeming qualities.
California at least sees slavery as bad, they know its a crime and they've been trying to stop for-profit prisons and judges sending juveniles to chain-gangs for a kickback.
The South sees slavery as the good ol' days, back when men were men, and everyone knew their place.
Also "these people are bad" and "these people are worse" is a perfectly acceptable thought, it just requires 2 ideas.
The problem with "these people are bad but these people are worse" is that you aren't defining "these people" without lumping in all the people they are being "worse" to, you're just writing off the entire region. And that's bullshit
Not really, no. That's the whole point of judging. Thinking you can't judge values, societies or cultures, that's what's bullshit.
Know any members of the Taliban? I don't, never met a one. And they're bad people. I can extrapolate that from their values and culture.
Despite what the extreme woke say these days, yes, some cultures are simply better than others.
So because the vote tends to split 51-49 the wrong direction, the entire region is a write-off? Fuck half the people living down there, The South is irredeemable?
That's bullshit. Say what *part* of the South, what specific culture you think is bullshit
Like, c'mon man: I'll ***** about Texas all day long. They're intensely annoying in the way that only people who think they're your best friend can be.
But I'm not gonna write off the entire state just because half of them are morons, considerably less considering the outsized power less populated regions have, constant voter suppression, and gerrymandering.
Like all the hate groups are mainly concentrated in the major cities, which are all mainly blue counties. The fact is saying the south is super racist and the north isn't racist just isn't true. According to the links below, there's a reverse migration going on in the black community and they are moving south now and leaving the northern cities. Sure, there might be more racist whites in the south, but that's not the only factor in racism. Economically, the red states are probably better on average for blacks than blue states. Good luck trying to get a business going in NYC if you don't have a good amount of money and guess which people don't have a good amount of money. And, again, covid democrat policies were really really bad for minorities.And yet the South has the most number of hate groups and hate crimes based on race or religion:Hate Map
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So many Black people fled the South it came to be known as the Great Migration. Now, they are returning.
The number of African Americans moving to the South in recent decades has resulted in what demographers and historians are calling a reversal of the Great Migration of the early 20th century.
www.inquirer.com
I'm surprised to see other Escapists taking the perspective of the OP. I thought the very concept of an entire half of a country being blanket written off as having "no redeeming qualities" was so completely ludicrous as to not require anything more than a joke answer. Obviously, The American South is going to have many good qualities in regards to geographical advantages, resources, constructions, contributions to science, arts, etc. and many, many decent individuals (a number of which are frequent posters on this very forum). To claim otherwise is to paint yourself as intolerant to an extreme degree.
So how is prejudging someone based on where they live any different from prejudging someone based off their race?
It's an example of what's going in American, both sides think the other side is basically the devil. Most people are good people, but each person prioritizes good values differently. It's very apparent during the pandemic, like the people that highly value care over harm see lockdowns as preventing harm while the those that highly value fairness over cheating don't like the fact that the more well-off can continue working from home but the less well-off get punished by being told they can't work (and in the US lose health insurance during a pandemic). Both sides are fighting for values that everyone does find as being good values but they merely prioritize Good_Value_X over Good_Value_Y or vice verse. Neither side can even comprehend that the other side is also valuing something that is good anymore.
1.) I'm not talking about prejudging. I'm talking about cultural norms and understanding they exist.
2.) Take a black person who was raised in Japan, a Black Person who was raised in Africa, and a Black Person raised in New York. The only thing they would have in common is a phenotype. There's nothing to Prejudge. Unless someone believes the melanin count means something. Which is an arbitrary thing genetically.
But take someone who was in a similar school system, you'll find commonality. In the same borough. The same dialect, even. Those things speak of social norms that could be studied and understood. Hell, White, Chinese, Latin, if you lived off of the 6 line in the Bronx in the 1980s, you'll have infinitely more in common with me than a long lost half brother of mine who was raised in Sweden.
Nothing about melanin counts can do the same thing.