Dogmeat Almost Didn't Make It Into Fallout

felltablet

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Foolishman1776 said:
Whoa, whoa, whoa. Guys, they're talking about the ORIGINAL Fallout. Tim Caine was the project director for the original project, and it was made by Black Isle studios which was a subsidiary of Interplay (both now defunct). This is not talking about Fallout 3, which was a bit of a dubious successor, I think. Not bad, mind you, just not as mind blowingly awesome as the first two; matter of fact, Fallout Tactics may have actually been marginally better than Fallout 3.
I loved the originals, better never picked up Tactics because of mixed/poor reviews upon its release. Was it truly a fun experience?


As far as dogmeat goes, he was a decent addition until I got kidnapped and he disappeared.
 

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felltablet said:
I loved the originals, better never picked up Tactics because of mixed/poor reviews upon its release. Was it truly a fun experience?


As far as dogmeat goes, he was a decent addition until I got kidnapped and he disappeared.
Tactics was a lot of fun, right up until you started running into robots, at which point, anything but energy weapons became pointless. It was still fun after that, if you didn't mind being railroaded into one weapon skill.

I thought Dogmeat was neat, but all he tended to do was leap in front of my fire, which, come to think of it, all the companions did. He didn't always disappear when you get captured by the mutants, I seem to remember that you can find him in another room, I don't know, it's been a while since I've played.
 

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Susan Arendt said:
Ayjona said:
Susan Arendt said:
but what I'd like to know is whether or not Sam of I Am Legend is based on Dogmeat. True, one's a Blue Heeler and the other's a German Shepherd, but there definitely seems to be a bit of an homage going on -- or is that just me?
Boy, I knew Fallout was old, but I had no idea it was released before 1954.
Oh, don't be so snarky. If Sam was in the original version of I Am Legend, just say so. I've only seen the most recent version.
The original version was a book, so seeing it would not have made you much wiser.

And I wouldn't really say "snarky". Ironic, with just a small touch of bitterness, at the most, though I was going for "good-natured" and "tongue in cheek". You know, the kind that never offends OPs.
 

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Ayjona is refering to the novel that I Am Legend is based on (released in 1954) however while it does feature a stray dog and Neville wanting it to become his dog it isn't anything like the relationship between Neville and Sam in the recent film version (although it's been a while since I read it so please feel free to correct me somebody)
The only things that the book and latest film versions really have in common is a title.
 

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Ayjona said:
Susan Arendt said:
Ayjona said:
Susan Arendt said:
but what I'd like to know is whether or not Sam of I Am Legend is based on Dogmeat. True, one's a Blue Heeler and the other's a German Shepherd, but there definitely seems to be a bit of an homage going on -- or is that just me?
Boy, I knew Fallout was old, but I had no idea it was released before 1954.
Oh, don't be so snarky. If Sam was in the original version of I Am Legend, just say so. I've only seen the most recent version.
The original version was a book, so seeing it would not have made you much wiser.

And I wouldn't really say "snarky". Ironic, with just a small touch of bitterness, at the most, though I was going for "good-natured" and "tongue in cheek". You know, the kind that never offends OPs.
You know, I don't claim to know everything. I haven't read every book, seen every movie, or played every game. I invite others to educate me about what I don't know, and I'll do likewise for them when the opportunity presents itself.

This was an opportunity for you to educate me on something I didn't know. Instead you went for a snide remark. Shame, really.
 

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I think Dogmeat lasted 5 minutes with me in Fallout 3? Poor Dogmeat.
Dogmeat doesn't hold up well in a intense firefight, there's no denying it. Normaly I take him with me when I go out exploring, he is much more useful then.
 

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Yuss! I can be bigheaded enough to know that I beat the Escapist to the punch on this story.

Viva la Fallout Wikia!
 

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On the 360, I just leave him in my house, he keeps Wadsworth company, and Fawkes when I'm off to solo.

On the PC, I don't have Dogmeat-I used the GECK Editor and made him into a Nukalurk named Charles, who used Mr. Burke's voice. He kept Dogmeat's item-finding abilities, though.


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Ayjona said:
Susan Arendt said:
but what I'd like to know is whether or not Sam of I Am Legend is based on Dogmeat. True, one's a Blue Heeler and the other's a German Shepherd, but there definitely seems to be a bit of an homage going on -- or is that just me?
Boy, I knew Fallout was old, but I had no idea it was released before 1954.
I was going to say that.

well, I was actually going to say "Wasn't I Am Legend written in the 50s?" Then I wiki'd it, and saw that it was indeed.

A Little Education - I don't know if Sam was called Sam in the book.. I don't think Neville named him, but he was a dog that survived the infection, (Neville didn't know the dog when the infection started in the book, as opposed to the movie) and it gave Neville something to do, to gain the dog's trust, and then take care of it. Then one day, the dog returned with an injury, and Neville was forced to put it down before it attacked him.

The dog was only in a very small portion of the book, as he was mainly a plot device meant to show that Neville still had a soul, and to keep Neville on the side of good. It was also meant to show the lengths Neville would go to to protect himself - even though he was only in the book for a short period, it was clear that he was important to Neville.

The Dog mainly played the Wilson Ala Cast Away role in the book.. a silent soundingboard to the protagonist in an isolated environment

That help susan? :)
 

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Out of all the followers dogmeat was the least annoying. I actually had dogmeat along often enough. Mostly for random encounters to find the weapons and ammo dropped.

However like all NPC's I could not take with me into a dungeon. They would run into walls, knock stuff over, set off traps, and basically alert everything in there to my presence within seconds.
 

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I must be one of the few that had no need or particular want for Dogmeat. Don't get me wrong, when I fist found him I happily had him follow me and I even found him to be of use on more than one occasion. But I soon realised that if I wanted him to live - this was before the Puppies perk - I had to keep reloading old saves and go through the ensuing fight all over again. And I just was not prepared to keep doing that. As a "character" I like Dogmeat - his loyalty and (occasional) use in a fight was great and I prefer it that the developers kept him in the game, but at the same time I wouldn't have noticed too much if he had been omitted. Actually this goes for all the companions, too. The only companion I've had tag along was Fawkes and even that was only due to the main quest forcing me to have him/her. It may be me just being misanthropic or it may be that I only ever play as a stealthy character but I am, and always have been very mistrusting of anyone who is either following me or fighting alongside me - to me they just seem to get in the way of my shots or worse, they get seen.
 

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Jon Etheridge said:
Is sent him to get food and he never came back. I've always wondered what happened to him.
For some reason your comment made me laugh.
 

Ayjona

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Susan Arendt said:
You know, I don't claim to know everything. I haven't read every book, seen every movie, or played every game. I invite others to educate me about what I don't know, and I'll do likewise for them when the opportunity presents itself.

This was an opportunity for you to educate me on something I didn't know. Instead you went for a snide remark. Shame, really.
This is a classic reply, one intended both to invoke the "human fallability" clause, and to evoke guilt in me. But I actually did educate you, by mentioning the book. And, as I wrote in my last posts, I truly meant no offense. In fact, I figured my first post would be a far more easy-going way of pointing out that I Am Legend is a phenomenon older than the recent movie than most alternatives.

As you probably know, every message carries two meanings: the one intended by the sender, and the one perceived by the receiver. You might have perceived my message as snarky and offensive, but in truth, it was not intended as such. Of course, I might be to blame for the misperception, just as you might. Regardless of whether I am, or not, I am sorry for whatever offense I caused you.

But, more importantly, we have something in common: we are both schooled writers, with degrees in journalism. So, we both know just how easy it is to run a quick (quick, as in half a minute, at the most) background check or source reliability test on almost *ANYTHING* we write. If we want to draw parallels that expore the intentions of the writers of a movie, in comparison to a game, a quick Wikipedia search will tell us exactly if there is any possibility that movie-makers might have been inspired by a particular computer game. In this case, it would have revealed to you that I Am Legend is inspired by a book, and that the dog in question probably (probably, since I certainly don't claim to be certain) has nothing to do with Dogmeat.

Doing this for every little piece we write sounds trite or redundant? Nope. Source criticism and evaluation is the one element of journalism that never grows old, never goes out of style, and that is SO easy to rely on, even if you are just composing a three sentence press item regarding runaway kittens. It really only takes a few seconds, with today's access to online information, and is sure to improve the quality of *any* piece.
 

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Um...well I personally wouldnt have cared if he wasn't in the game since I went through the entire game without him, got to level 20, did all the regular and hidden quests and only went to get him when I needed him to get the victory rifle from the safe because I'm a crappy lock picker...And after I got him I lost him while wrecking a bandit camp up...so...yeah.
 

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I had that dog from level five to twenty, Then a damn Mirelurk caught him off guard and knocked him into radiated water, after a short time his limp body rose to the surface.

I HATE MIRELURKS SO MUCH!
 
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Valiance said:
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It makes just as much sense as Harold wandering into the Capital Wasteland.
I really don't like what they did with him to be honest.
If you played hte first two games and paid major attention to what he said, his current state in the Capital Wastes was to be expected.
Except him being there that is.



Also, I protected Dogmeat more than I protected Ian.
Or Tycho.