DOOMed to be Controversial Forever

Lizzy Finnegan

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DOOMed to be Controversial Forever

Why DOOM is a masterpiece - and why it will never shed the violent reputation it's stuck with.

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dragoongfa

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If the new DOOM doesn't fully copy the glory that is Brutal Doom I am going to be pissed.

I want to see some demon shooting goryness in all its modern glory.

RIP AND TEAR, RIP AND TEAR, RIP AND TEAR!!!
 

FalloutJack

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Be controversal all you like. That's fine. I will still poke fun at people who are surprised that Doom (any iteration of it) is a violent and bloody, and then complain about it. It will never change. Mortal Kombat will never change. Violent video games will never change. Stop complaining. You're wasting air. I'm glad to see that other people found signficance in it in other ways, but the ones who are jammed in neutral do nothing for me.
 

Kenjitsuka

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"the games within the FPS genre were unofficially renamed "Doom Clones."

Uh... super weird sentence there!
How about: "the games within the FPS genre were generally CALLED "Doom Clones.".

Renaming is something only creators of a property (or being) can do.
 

Recusant

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An interesting thought, that- how much of the attention the series gets is due to its reputation for graphic violence? More to the point, how much are Zenimax still banking on said reputation? I'd've thought the world knows by now that DOOM is a violent series, but what other justification for dropping the number and using a name that's already taken could there be (aside from an attempt to prove to the world that they don't understand how numbers work)?
 

Xan Krieger

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" the developers dropped the "4" from the original working title and presented the game as just DOOM"
Tell me they're going to add it back or I'm going to be ranting about it like Star Wars Battlefront 3 (yes 3, EA doesn't know how to count)
 

Lizzy Finnegan

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with critics labeling the presentation disturbingly hyper-violent
Critics? As in more than just She Who Shalt Not Be Named? I asked a few times before because I always try to remember what organizations trot out the "videogames bad!" sensationalism but I've not seen anybody but her speak on it poorly. I'm sure there will be a few news outlets once it gets closer to release, but even then it won't be anywhere near on the scale as back in the day. Hell, I don't think Doom 3 even got a blip on the radar from them. I only really draw attention to it though because purporting her as a noteworthy critic is kind of what propogates her attention to begin with.

Edit: I was wrong. Ignore that.

Anyways, in regards to all that satanic imagery, it seems like its not really being present in the new game, and I think thats a good decision. Honestly even back then at a very young age it struck me an effort to be edgy rather than as a substance in visual design. While I don't doubt that somebody could incorporate that well into a new Doom installment, I doubt that any developer working on the game would do so.
 

Kameburger

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This was an interesting article that I feel like should have been about a page longer... I think Doom's interesting place in today's current social-political climate, is where this was leading and I feel a little bit left hanging. That being said I'm torn cause I'm not sure I want to have that argument again.
 

crimson5pheonix

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MarsAtlas said:
crimson5pheonix said:
MarsAtlas said:
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Also you brain-goofed and called the Cyberdemon "Spiderdemon". It happens.

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No, Spiderdemon is correct.

Really? I shouldn't post sleep deprived. I last played it just a few months ago too.
You DO fight the cyberdemon at the end of the second part, and the cyberdemon is cooler.
 

Lizzy Finnegan

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crimson5pheonix said:
MarsAtlas said:
crimson5pheonix said:
MarsAtlas said:
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Also you brain-goofed and called the Cyberdemon "Spiderdemon". It happens.

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No, Spiderdemon is correct.

Really? I shouldn't post sleep deprived. I last played it just a few months ago too.
You DO fight the cyberdemon at the end of the second part, and the cyberdemon is cooler.
Agreed. Also, I do stand by that stuff about satanic imagery. That stuff was lazy and desperate. As much as I love Doom, if they wanted me to grade its aesthetic design I'd probably hand them back a B- with "You Can Do Better" written at the top.
 

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Lizzy Finnegan said:
While 1992's Wolfenstein 3D was widely credited with inventing the First Person Shooter (despite examples dating back to the early 1970s)
Any specific titles? The earliest thing I can think of that could be said to fit the description was Battlezone, and that came out in 1980. Catacomb 3D came out in 1991, and there were games like The Eidolon before that, but... I can't think of anything before Battlezone, and I'd genuinely like to expand my knowledge if there was something I missed.
 

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crimson5pheonix said:
MarsAtlas said:
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Also you brain-goofed and called the Cyberdemon "Spiderdemon". It happens.

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No, Spiderdemon is correct.

you're still wrong tho, they're the arachnotron and the spider mastermind, not spiderdemons
scrub
:^)
 

crimson5pheonix

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teh_Canape said:
crimson5pheonix said:
MarsAtlas said:
snip

Also you brain-goofed and called the Cyberdemon "Spiderdemon". It happens.

snip
No, Spiderdemon is correct.

you're still wrong tho, they're the arachnotron and the spider mastermind, not spiderdemons
scrub
:^)
If I want to school you, kid, it was called spiderdemon in the original release and was later changed in future games. Scrub :p
 

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crimson5pheonix said:
teh_Canape said:
crimson5pheonix said:
MarsAtlas said:
snip

Also you brain-goofed and called the Cyberdemon "Spiderdemon". It happens.

snip
No, Spiderdemon is correct.

you're still wrong tho, they're the arachnotron and the spider mastermind, not spiderdemons
scrub
:^)
If I want to school you, kid, it was called spiderdemon in the original release and was later changed in future games. Scrub :p
>read wiki
>looks up own Doom manual
I stand corrected
but I will find something to school you on, just you watch
 

Phasmal

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MarsAtlas said:
with critics labeling the presentation disturbingly hyper-violent
Critics? As in more than just She Who Shalt Not Be Named? I asked a few times before because I always try to remember what organizations trot out the "videogames bad!" sensationalism but I've not seen anybody but her speak on it poorly. I'm sure there will be a few news outlets once it gets closer to release, but even then it won't be anywhere near on the scale as back in the day. Hell, I don't think Doom 3 even got a blip on the radar from them. I only really draw attention to it though because purporting her as a noteworthy critic is kind of what propogates her attention to begin with.
Yeah, apart from the one or two tweets from the regular source of nerd-rage, I haven't seen any controversy.
Maybe I'm just emotionally dead, but when I saw the new DOOM gameplay video, I just thought `Well isn't that cute, returning to the days where bloodsplatter made something edgy`. Don't get me wrong, I love me some DOOM (the first one is by far my favourite though and I thought after the second it just didn't feel the same)- but I don't think this entry is particularly controversial.

We simply have too many games now where you can pretty much liquefy your opponent, it's not that special any more.