DOTA 2: "Sorry, no new people welcome"

[SPARTANXIII]

http://dev.dota2.com/showthread.php?t=64215

So, after playing DOTA 2 for an hour, becoming royally confused with...EVERYTHING, and not understanding a single thing in the game aside from the stuff I scraped together from trial and error (And there was a LOT of error), I decided to look online as to why the tutorial wasn't accessible to me, and what arbitrary bull I had to do to unlock it.

Turns out, that's just a placehold, and there really isn't a tutorial or any real help in the game at all.

Now, Valve, as a new player to this game, I have to ask one question:
[HEADING=2]WHY?![/HEADING]

I'm sorry, but in a game as big as this, with passes so widespread that its as accessible as fresh air, why isn't there any kind of system to allow me to learn this stuff outside of the one button which seemingly does nothing outside of coo you in so that it can knee you in the balls most more effectively!

I'd take a tutorial, a guide, a Japanese VCR Instruction Manual over knowing nothing in a game as in-depth as this, especially seeing how this is the FIRST game like this I have ever played (Long story, first gaming computer here). And now, because I was so broken by my first game, I don't WANT to learn now because my brain is so haggard from the ass-whooping I received.

So, people who understand DOTA: Next time a new guy appears and messes it up for everyone, don't blame him, he's just a lamb going into the grinder of his own volition.

And people with no understanding but are interested: Find friends, find a guide, find SOMETHING outside of the game to help you, or else you're in for the longest hour.

Anyway, if you'll excuse me, I need to faint from fatiebgbgbgbgbgbgbgbgbgbg-

 

[ResonanceSD]

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Yup, played 2 games of it last night after a four month break.


Then I remembered why I stopped playing in the first place. The community in Dota2 is fucking horrible.


Apparently there are things that not even Valve can fix.

 

[WoW Killer]

Heh, well MOBAs are notoriously inaccessible, and DotA 2 from what I gather is even less accessible than most.

Can you play a game with bots to figure things out (like basic controls, for a start)? Also, you should probably check out a few videos to get a general idea of what's going on. TB's doing a series; there's probably better players out there, but it's enough to give you an idea:


Even when the caster at hand isn't very good at the game, you learn a lot just watching the flow and the general strategies going on.

I can't give any more help than that as I've never played it. I've started a bit of SMITE over the last few weeks, but I was watching videos for a long time before I first played. And I still spent a good while in the solo practice mode to get a handle on the interface and get a few solid builds down; I presume there's a similar mode for DotA 2.

 

[Keoul]

Here use this
Salvation

But yeah don't expect a tutorial for either Dota 2 or HoN those are serious Mobas based off the original. League of Legends is a better choice for new players since IT HAS A TUTORIAL and a lot of the more complicated mechanics has been removed.

Though it's your choice since each game has those small differences that makes them unique.

 

[Jasper Jeffs]

I like it when a game provides no tutorial and you're left to your own devices to try and figure out what you're doing, very few games can even do that nowadays. That aside, I agree with the first post on the dev forums, DOTA 2 is still in Beta, they've still got a lot of shit to do and you can't really hate on the features it has when it's still in development. The best way to approach DOTA when you haven't played it or anything like it prior is to just expect a beating, don't get mad over anything, just try and figure out what you're doing.

There's plenty of guides on the internet if you still need them, the most common ones I see linked are usually Purge's guide [http://www.purgegamers.com/welcome-to-dota-you-suck#.UPynBx1vjnU] and Reddit's compiled guide [http://www.reddit.com/r/DotA2/comments/qckss/new_players_reddits_compiled_guide_to_dota2/]. I would suggest not joining player games too, the player vs bots mode is better for learning as the people in player matches will probably have at least some clue what they're doing.

 

[lRookiel]

Hijack thread Snip

Here is a better idea!

Fuck Dota 2, come and play League of Legends instead :3

 

[Vegosiux]

I like it when a game provides no tutorial and you're left to your own devices to try and figure out what you're doing, very few games can even do that nowadays.

That's okay. But getting raged at for doing that kind of puts a damper on things. MOBA communities actively repress people who want to learn things on their own.

And before you link me a wiki; reading a guide that someone else wrote is not learning things on your own.

 

[Aircross]

The game's still in a beta. Valve is working on a tutorial and coaching system.

In the meantime, read this guide: http://www.purgegamers.com/welcome-to-dota-you-suck

Feel free to PM me if you have any further questions.

Ignore the worse part of the community, they do not represent everyone who plays DotA games.

 

[Jasper Jeffs]

I like it when a game provides no tutorial and you're left to your own devices to try and figure out what you're doing, very few games can even do that nowadays.

That's okay. But getting raged at for doing that kind of puts a damper on things. MOBA communities actively repress people who want to learn things on their own.

And before you link me a wiki; reading a guide that someone else wrote is not learning things on your own.

Well that's what bot games are for; to learn the game. I learnt all of the basics of DOTA with my friend in co-op bot matches.

As for the fire prone community, I don't think ragers stop people from learning, any good player knows that he is shit and has things to learn, even a professional player. The people that rage may be annoying, but take solace in the fact you're probably better than them just for knowing you have things to learn. DOTA seems to also be good at placing people in their corresponding skill levels, so if someone is raging at you in the lower bracket chances are he belongs there, so fuck him, and focus on perfecting your play.

 

[Qitz]

I like it when a game provides no tutorial and you're left to your own devices to try and figure out what you're doing, very few games can even do that nowadays. That aside, I agree with the first post on the dev forums, DOTA 2 is still in Beta, they've still got a lot of shit to do and you can't really hate on the features it has when it's still in development. The best way to approach DOTA when you haven't played it or anything like it prior is to just expect a beating, don't get mad over anything, just try and figure out what you're doing.

There's plenty of guides on the internet if you still need them, the most common ones I see linked are usually Purge's guide [http://www.purgegamers.com/welcome-to-dota-you-suck#.UPynBx1vjnU] and Reddit's compiled guide [http://www.reddit.com/r/DotA2/comments/qckss/new_players_reddits_compiled_guide_to_dota2/]. I would suggest not joining player games too, the player vs bots mode is better for learning as the people in player matches will probably have at least some clue what they're doing.

Purges' videos isn't a bad idea. It might be a bit too much lingo though. He doesn't go as indepth with some of his videos. Basically, watch TB's WTF Is DOTA 2? Video and search youtube for Hero tutorials.

The only problem with learning things from your own device on a MOBA is you learning on your own devices will screw over the 4 other people. Yeah there are bots but you can only learn so much from bots though the least you can do is learn what a heroe's spells do and what items are good for what. Granted I like playing against bots in LoL, course it also doesn't help that my comp is shit XD

 

[Weaver]

I honestly put in about 30 hours of bot games trying different heroes and how the game worked before jumping into online play. It seemed to do me well for the most part, at the low levels I tend to be one of the better players.

 

[Leoofmoon]

I never got into DOTA mainly though the luring slope with is more of a cliff and the models are seamless copied and past from Warcraft 3's original DOTA. I'm more in love with LOL and Monday night combats play style.

 

[Windcaler]

http://dev.dota2.com/showthread.php?t=64215

So, after playing DOTA 2 for an hour, becoming royally confused with...EVERYTHING, and not understanding a single thing in the game aside from the stuff I scraped together from trial and error (And there was a LOT of error), I decided to look online as to why the tutorial wasn't accessible to me, and what arbitrary bull I had to do to unlock it.

Turns out, that's just a placehold, and there really isn't a tutorial or any real help in the game at all.

Now, Valve, as a new player to this game, I have to ask one question:
[HEADING=2]WHY?![/HEADING]

I'm sorry, but in a game as big as this, with passes so widespread that its as accessible as fresh air, why isn't there any kind of system to allow me to learn this stuff outside of the one button which seemingly does nothing outside of coo you in so that it can knee you in the balls most more effectively!

I'd take a tutorial, a guide, a Japanese VCR Instruction Manual over knowing nothing in a game as in-depth as this, especially seeing how this is the FIRST game like this I have ever played (Long story, first gaming computer here). And now, because I was so broken by my first game, I don't WANT to learn now because my brain is so haggard from the ass-whooping I received.

So, people who understand DOTA: Next time a new guy appears and messes it up for everyone, don't blame him, he's just a lamb going into the grinder of his own volition.

And people with no understanding but are interested: Find friends, find a guide, find SOMETHING outside of the game to help you, or else you're in for the longest hour.

Anyway, if you'll excuse me, I need to faint from fatiebgbgbgbgbgbgbgbgbgbg-

Correct me if Im wrong but Dota2 is still in beta isnt it? Meaning there are still things to be done in it before its ready for a full realease. If there is no turotiral I completely agree they need to add that fast. Planetside 2 is a good example of a game starting without a tutorial and its thoroughly confusing nature making a lot of people leave because they literally didnt know what they were doing.

Basicly what Im saying is because the games in beta you cant complain. Beta is beta, by definition the game is still unfinished. However feel free to criticize and suggest improvements

 

[ohnoitsabear]

I agree wholeheartedly that this game needs a tutorial, and this should be Valve's highest priority. The fact that the game's still technically in beta partially excuses this, but I still don't think they're making it a high enough priority. Also, they need to make it so that you don't have to create a private lobby to have a private bot match (seriously Valve, this shouldn't be that fucking difficult).

However, I think you are partially at fault for going into your first match with no prior knowledge or experience and expecting to do well. MOBAs, DOTA 2 especially, have a mostly deserved reputation of being super complex and very difficult to get into. The fact that you didn't know what was going on in your first match really shouldn't have been a surprise. For the future, I recommend reading up on some beginner guides (the famous Welcome to DOTA you Suck guide is good in that it doesn't expect you to have any prior knowledge, but it is excessively intimidating) and playing several private bot matches.

I do want to add that DOTA 2 does have some aspects that are helpful to newer players. For one, the recommended items for each hero do work pretty well for low levels of play, so you don't need to memorize large amounts of items right away. And, perhaps more significantly, the matchmaking does a pretty good job of putting you in games with other people who are new. So, at first you're going to suck, but so will everybody else that you're playing with.

For the record, I'm a DOTA 2 newbie with about 15 matches played and no prior MOBA experience (except for Awesomenauts, which, although that game is excellent, I don't think really counts).

 

[buttfucker911]

I disagree with everyone stating that dota 2 is still in beta; you can buy it on Steam pretty much anytime you want, and they give out invites like candy to anyone with an account. To me that about means a game is out. Still, there is a tutorial button but it's grayed out, and that right there is everything you need to know about dota 2 in a nutshell. You might watch a few youtube frag videos, or highlights from one of those tournaments where the prize pot is a million goddamn dollars, and think this might be a fun thing to get into, but you'd be wrong. Yeah, obviously this could be a blast for someone who knows what they're doing, but the path to getting there is so long and arduous and frustrating that you're better off just forgetting it and sticking to modding Skyrim or whatever. Even if you do reach the pinnacle of Very High matchmaking where your team doesn't pick 5 carries and every single game doesn't feature Drow and Pudge, you'll still be surrounded by the same mewling dickholes that make the dota community so world-famous. There are always more asshole players, and they are always worse.

If you have some friends that you don't mind losing as friends, you can consider queuing up with them but I wouldn't recommend this either.

About the most generous thing that can be said of dota 2 is that it isn't league of legends, which may be the single worst game ever made and I am convinced is some sort of elaborate long-term socio-psychological experiment.

This is a pretty decent look at what you're in for if you decide to ignore my advice and jump into the cesspit of random public matchmaking anyway. Just remember you were warned! http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7f-jR3Vo3Rw

 

[Mordekaien]

Well DOTA is somewhat known to have a hateful community, very unfriendly to newbies, like myself.
The best advice I've been given was, and I quote: "Learn the hard way, let them steamroll you."
Not good for new players, definitely.

 

[felbot]

just play sven or lich, they're the best champs in the game.

that or phantom lancer, but he is my favourite so don't take him.

 

[felbot]

I disagree with everyone stating that dota 2 is still in beta; you can buy it on Steam pretty much anytime you want, and they give out invites like candy to anyone with an account. To me that about means a game is out. Still, there is a tutorial button but it's grayed out, and that right there is everything you need to know about dota 2 in a nutshell. You might watch a few youtube frag videos, or highlights from one of those tournaments where the prize pot is a million goddamn dollars, and think this might be a fun thing to get into, but you'd be wrong. Yeah, obviously this could be a blast for someone who knows what they're doing, but the path to getting there is so long and arduous and frustrating that you're better off just forgetting it and sticking to modding Skyrim or whatever. Even if you do reach the pinnacle of Very High matchmaking where your team doesn't pick 5 carries and every single game doesn't feature Drow and Pudge, you'll still be surrounded by the same mewling dickholes that make the dota community so world-famous. There are always more asshole players, and they are always worse.

If you have some friends that you don't mind losing as friends, you can consider queuing up with them but I wouldn't recommend this either.

About the most generous thing that can be said of dota 2 is that it isn't league of legends, which may be the single worst game ever made and I am convinced is some sort of elaborate long-term socio-psychological experiment.

This is a pretty decent look at what you're in for if you decide to ignore my advice and jump into the cesspit of random public matchmaking anyway. Just remember you were warned! http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7f-jR3Vo3Rw

it is in beta, the thing you're buying is a early access and some in game cosmetics, people have been selling beta invites for god knows how long, doesn't mean the game is out nor does it mean the game is done, it means you can get in to the beta if you so wish early.

edit: forgot to respond to the op.
on topic, people greatly overestimate how hard this game is, just get a decent guide off the internet and try not to be stupid.

 

[NooNameLeft]

Play some games offline with bots.
Read some guides.
Find a champion you like and focus on playing him well.

 

[Doom-Slayer]

I disagree with everyone stating that dota 2 is still in beta; you can buy it on Steam pretty much anytime you want

To quote steam.

Buy Dota 2: Early Access
$29.99 USD ADD TO CART

Early Access beign the key words there.

Also

"Dota 2: Early Access Pack
Dota 2 is a Free to Play game, that is not yet fully released. The game is constantly being updated with new heroes and new features."

So quite simply. No. It is in Beta, it says it right there in the description, and no you arent buying the game, you are buying early access to an unfinished game, just like the game description says.

OT: Play bot games, quite simply. The best way to practice is against bots so you can experiment with different heroes, a tutorial wont help very much in games like this.