Double barrel pistol

[dyre]

meh another stupid gimmick gun that has absolutely no real world application ... there is no point to it and all it does is make the gun even harder to aim

No thanks, I already don't like the recoil on a normal, single-barrel .45 ACP round. Also, it looks ugly! The only thing that looks good double-barreled is an old-fashioned shotgun. And maybe a flintlock pistol.

what recoil? on a .45 acp the recoil is next to nothing unless you are a small child... I carry a Para Ordnance P14.45... all the class and functionality of a classic M1911 but with a nice 14 round double stacked mag and I can put rounds down range just as accurately and fast as you could with an M92FS 9mm... except for the fact that being a .45 instead of a 9mm when my rounds hit someone they will actually do some decent damage

also the double barrel is kinda pointless since even in a shotgun the only reason they have double barrels is for twice the shots... you are not supposed to fire both barrels at the same time... so for a handgun it makes no sense since an extended mag would accomplish the same thing but be a lot more practical

Next to nothing? I don't know what you're talking about. It's enough to be annoying while shooting. I'd gladly take my Sig P250 (yeah, shut up, I can't afford more expensive Sigs at the moment) over your Para Ordnance. And 9mm does damage just fine, on the tiny chance that I actually ever have to use it against another human being.

I didn't mean a double barrel shotgun is useful; I just think it's one of the few guns that looks alright with two barrels.

if you think a 9mm does decent damage than you have obviously never shot a person... if you think a .45 acp's recoil is annoying than you are either a very very weak person or have limp wrists

the only people who prefer the 9mm over a real round are those who have absolutely no real experience in shooting or those that are horrible at it

the point of shooting someone is to kill them... flat out... and for that the 9x19mm Parabellum just does not cut it

Considering both the military and the police commonly use 9mm pistols, and considering plenty of people who are probably better than you at shooting like 9mm just fine, I guess I'll have to assume you're trolling. Insulting me for being "weak" or having "limp wrists" doesn't really help your case.

 

[Shock and Awe]

if you think a 9mm does decent damage than you have obviously never shot a person... if you think a .45 acp's recoil is annoying than you are either a very very weak person or have limp wrists

the only people who prefer the 9mm over a real round are those who have absolutely no real experience in shooting or those that are horrible at it

the point of shooting someone is to kill them... flat out... and for that the 9x19mm Parabellum just does not cut it

Okay then I just have a few questions for you then,

1. Have you shot a person or been shot by a 9mm round? Never done either myself, but I am damn sure a 9mm in the chest would definitely get a message across. If not there are always more bullets in the magazine. That and the amount of energy carried by a 9mm is only marginally less then a .45.

2. A .45s recoil could easily be annoying for anyone who is used to using smaller calibers like the 9mm.

3. I would direct you to the United States military, a vast majority of US police departments, and just about every European military on why the 9mm is preferred by a metric ass ton of people who definitely have experience and skill. I personally know a lot of SWAT members who swear by Glock 9mms so I'm inclined to go with them.

 

[Jodah]

That would be the most unwieldy piece of crap in the world...Too heavy, triggers would be difficult to fire correctly, the grip likely won't fit many people, your finger would be all wrong on the trigger, it wouldn't improve your rate of accurate fire at all, and god help you if you pull both triggers at the same time...that is the makings of a dislocated wrist.

The only reason a double barreled shotgun works is because it is shoulder fired and the triggers are front and back, not side by side.


Captcha: "dead man's hand" in a thread about guns...irony!

meh another stupid gimmick gun that has absolutely no real world application ... there is no point to it and all it does is make the gun even harder to aim

No thanks, I already don't like the recoil on a normal, single-barrel .45 ACP round. Also, it looks ugly! The only thing that looks good double-barreled is an old-fashioned shotgun. And maybe a flintlock pistol.

what recoil? on a .45 acp the recoil is next to nothing unless you are a small child... I carry a Para Ordnance P14.45... all the class and functionality of a classic M1911 but with a nice 14 round double stacked mag and I can put rounds down range just as accurately and fast as you could with an M92FS 9mm... except for the fact that being a .45 instead of a 9mm when my rounds hit someone they will actually do some decent damage

also the double barrel is kinda pointless since even in a shotgun the only reason they have double barrels is for twice the shots... you are not supposed to fire both barrels at the same time... so for a handgun it makes no sense since an extended mag would accomplish the same thing but be a lot more practical

Next to nothing? I don't know what you're talking about. It's enough to be annoying while shooting. I'd gladly take my Sig P250 (yeah, shut up, I can't afford more expensive Sigs at the moment) over your Para Ordnance. And 9mm does damage just fine, on the tiny chance that I actually ever have to use it against another human being.

I didn't mean a double barrel shotgun is useful; I just think it's one of the few guns that looks alright with two barrels.

if you think a 9mm does decent damage than you have obviously never shot a person... if you think a .45 acp's recoil is annoying than you are either a very very weak person or have limp wrists

the only people who prefer the 9mm over a real round are those who have absolutely no real experience in shooting or those that are horrible at it

the point of shooting someone is to kill them... flat out... and for that the 9x19mm Parabellum just does not cut it

Spoken like someone who has never shot a gun in his life.

spoken like someone who's combat experience is playing a few COD games

http://www.chuckhawks.com/handgun_power_chart.htm
http://www.best9mm.com/9mmballistics.html
http://www.handloads.com/misc/stoppingpower.asp?Caliber=0&Weight=All

As you would see if you actually did some research instead of believing the nonsense myths that abound about 9mm stopping power the difference is minimal at best. Yes, a .45 will have far more stopping power if you use FMJ but anyone who uses FMJ for self defense is fucking retarded. A quality 9mm hollow point has more than enough stopping power for a one shot kill with a fraction of the recoil, allowing for quicker follow up shots.

 

[nackertash]

That is childish and reaaaaaallly fucked up.
What is it for? Honestly why does that thing exist?
Also it isn't cool, this is real life and that thing is designed to take lives.

 

[Slayer_2]

Looks retarded, totally impractical, it's one of those things that singles out people with too much money. I'd rather have two SEPARATE .45's, probably cheaper, and far more practical.

 

[Shock and Awe]

if you think a 9mm does decent damage than you have obviously never shot a person... if you think a .45 acp's recoil is annoying than you are either a very very weak person or have limp wrists

the only people who prefer the 9mm over a real round are those who have absolutely no real experience in shooting or those that are horrible at it

the point of shooting someone is to kill them... flat out... and for that the 9x19mm Parabellum just does not cut it

Okay then I just have a few questions for you then,

1. Have you shot a person or been shot by a 9mm round? Never done either myself, but I am damn sure a 9mm in the chest would definitely get a message across. If not there are always more bullets in the magazine. That and the amount of energy carried by a 9mm is only marginally less then a .45.

2. A .45s recoil could easily be annoying for anyone who is used to using smaller calibers like the 9mm.

3. I would direct you to the United States military, a vast majority of US police departments, and just about every European military on why the 9mm is preferred by a metric ass ton of people who definitely have experience and skill.

again 8 years 0311 0317... i've probably killed more people in real life than comprise your actual family...

the 9mm is a wounding round.. useless in war but ok for cops where the point is to NOT KILL.. hell most soldier are never even issued a sidearm

again by the time a normal soldier pulls his sidearms it is already over except for the crying... no spec ops unit uses the 9mm because it is useless... the 9mm is only preferred by people who NEVER SEE REAL COMBAT

I have no idea where you are getting the idea of a "wounding round". The idea that it does nothing more then wound a target is a load of bullshit especially since 9mm rounds are more effective against body armor then the slower .45. You also keep saying that "real soldiers" never even use a sidearm so how in the hell is it even going to make a difference whether its a .45 or 9mm? By what you are saying you're dead regardless. Furthermore the SAS is definitely a Special Ops unit and they seem to be quite happy with their 9mm pistols. [http://www.eliteukforces.info/special-air-service/weapons/sas-handguns.php].

Oh and by the way, just because you were in the Corps does not mean you can act like a superior jackass to everyone else. If you want people to respect your opinion you should first learn to give it without trying to be the big man of the group.

 

[dyre]

meh another stupid gimmick gun that has absolutely no real world application ... there is no point to it and all it does is make the gun even harder to aim

No thanks, I already don't like the recoil on a normal, single-barrel .45 ACP round. Also, it looks ugly! The only thing that looks good double-barreled is an old-fashioned shotgun. And maybe a flintlock pistol.

what recoil? on a .45 acp the recoil is next to nothing unless you are a small child... I carry a Para Ordnance P14.45... all the class and functionality of a classic M1911 but with a nice 14 round double stacked mag and I can put rounds down range just as accurately and fast as you could with an M92FS 9mm... except for the fact that being a .45 instead of a 9mm when my rounds hit someone they will actually do some decent damage

also the double barrel is kinda pointless since even in a shotgun the only reason they have double barrels is for twice the shots... you are not supposed to fire both barrels at the same time... so for a handgun it makes no sense since an extended mag would accomplish the same thing but be a lot more practical

Next to nothing? I don't know what you're talking about. It's enough to be annoying while shooting. I'd gladly take my Sig P250 (yeah, shut up, I can't afford more expensive Sigs at the moment) over your Para Ordnance. And 9mm does damage just fine, on the tiny chance that I actually ever have to use it against another human being.

I didn't mean a double barrel shotgun is useful; I just think it's one of the few guns that looks alright with two barrels.

if you think a 9mm does decent damage than you have obviously never shot a person... if you think a .45 acp's recoil is annoying than you are either a very very weak person or have limp wrists

the only people who prefer the 9mm over a real round are those who have absolutely no real experience in shooting or those that are horrible at it

the point of shooting someone is to kill them... flat out... and for that the 9x19mm Parabellum just does not cut it

Considering both the military and the police commonly use 9mm pistols, and considering plenty of people who are probably better than you at shooting like 9mm just fine, I guess I'll have to assume you're trolling. Insulting me for being "weak" or having "limp wrists" doesn't really help your case.

eh again spoken life someone who's entire knowledge of killing people with guns comes from FPS games... the reason cops use the 9mm is because it is a WOUNDING round not a killing round... the military despises it.. find me a spec op unit that issues the 9mm... you can't cause they don't... they issue 9mm to regular troops for the simple fact most of them need 15 rounds to even hit a target and when the time comes for them to draw a sidearm they are already dead

You've got some serious attitude problems, not to mention this funny idea that shot placement doesn't matter and only the "damage" of a bullet matters. At some point, get your dad to get a pistol license, have him buy a .45 cal pistol, and try it out on a range. As for killing people, don't worry about that and be glad we have actual soldiers protecting us from having to do that sort of thing.

 

[Pfheonix]

Need to kill that fucking zombie dead as shit? Get the double barrel .45! Also, as a side note, stopping power refers to the amount of energy which can be transferred to the target from the bullet. For example, a bullet which maintains a pointed shape when passing through a target has little stopping power compared to the round tipped or concave pistol bullet. However, if you have a .38 and a .45, the .45 ACP has more energy and it comes in hollow point as well. FMJ does not provide more stopping power, as it retains the shape of the bullet, thus possibly over-penetrating. Please note, I am referring to empirical values, and unarmored targets.

However, a 9mm will provide plenty of man-dropping force. And, if you wanna get technical, convert a Colt M1911 to .38 and you'll have better follow up shots as well.

 

[Jodah]

That would be the most unwieldy piece of crap in the world...Too heavy, triggers would be difficult to fire correctly, the grip likely won't fit many people, your finger would be all wrong on the trigger, it wouldn't improve your rate of accurate fire at all, and god help you if you pull both triggers at the same time...that is the makings of a dislocated wrist.

The only reason a double barreled shotgun works is because it is shoulder fired and the triggers are front and back, not side by side.


Captcha: "dead man's hand" in a thread about guns...irony!

meh another stupid gimmick gun that has absolutely no real world application ... there is no point to it and all it does is make the gun even harder to aim

No thanks, I already don't like the recoil on a normal, single-barrel .45 ACP round. Also, it looks ugly! The only thing that looks good double-barreled is an old-fashioned shotgun. And maybe a flintlock pistol.

what recoil? on a .45 acp the recoil is next to nothing unless you are a small child... I carry a Para Ordnance P14.45... all the class and functionality of a classic M1911 but with a nice 14 round double stacked mag and I can put rounds down range just as accurately and fast as you could with an M92FS 9mm... except for the fact that being a .45 instead of a 9mm when my rounds hit someone they will actually do some decent damage

also the double barrel is kinda pointless since even in a shotgun the only reason they have double barrels is for twice the shots... you are not supposed to fire both barrels at the same time... so for a handgun it makes no sense since an extended mag would accomplish the same thing but be a lot more practical

Next to nothing? I don't know what you're talking about. It's enough to be annoying while shooting. I'd gladly take my Sig P250 (yeah, shut up, I can't afford more expensive Sigs at the moment) over your Para Ordnance. And 9mm does damage just fine, on the tiny chance that I actually ever have to use it against another human being.

I didn't mean a double barrel shotgun is useful; I just think it's one of the few guns that looks alright with two barrels.

if you think a 9mm does decent damage than you have obviously never shot a person... if you think a .45 acp's recoil is annoying than you are either a very very weak person or have limp wrists

the only people who prefer the 9mm over a real round are those who have absolutely no real experience in shooting or those that are horrible at it

the point of shooting someone is to kill them... flat out... and for that the 9x19mm Parabellum just does not cut it

Spoken like someone who has never shot a gun in his life.

spoken like someone who's combat experience is playing a few COD games

http://www.chuckhawks.com/handgun_power_chart.htm
http://www.best9mm.com/9mmballistics.html
http://www.handloads.com/misc/stoppingpower.asp?Caliber=0&Weight=All

As you would see if you actually did some research instead of believing the nonsense myths that abound about 9mm stopping power the difference is minimal at best. Yes, a .45 will have far more stopping power if you use FMJ but anyone who uses FMJ for self defense is fucking retarded. A quality 9mm hollow point has more than enough stopping power for a one shot kill with a fraction of the recoil, allowing for quicker follow up shots.

you do understand we aren't allowed to use hollow points in war? of course not because you are an arm chair shooter who has no experience beyond random websites you google... and yes the 9mm hollow point is decent but again is still pointless when put next to a nice .45 round

the 9mm hollowpoint... will work but is still on the low end of efficiency when placed next to a .45 soft jacket

again try getting some REAL experience instead of relying on biased armchair articles

Yes, I did know that the military cannot use hollow points and for them a .45 is useful. For everyone else it isn't. But you know what, I'm done. By now I know better than to argue with people on the internet. Any random idiot can start spouting out nonsense without backing it up. So, you win, everything you said is true. A 9mm will bounce off a target's skin and a .45 will kill everyone in a 4 mile radius.

 

[Thaluikhain]

So, for 2011, they get 2 1911s and glue them together? Eh?

Seriously though, I can see an application for this, defeating body armour. Body armour is supposed to prevent/resit the penetration of a bullet, not two bullets that hit close to each other. The Russians have a single barreled weapon that fires two bullets in very close succession for this.

Not that I'm saying the penetrating power of a 9x19 round is great, though, but two would be better (and it's better than the .45, which is why people defend it, along with hydrostaric shock and other things that may or may not make a difference).

 

[WanderingFool]

Okay, lets see here:

"Oh, to much of a pansy to dual wield John woo style?"

"I heard of 'compensating' but really?"

"Waste twice as many bullets, in half the time!"

OK, I admit it, I 'came' when I saw the video. I am planning on ordering this the first chance I get. My gundealer is on standby now.

"...really?"


Now, Im a resident of Pennsylvania, and we do live our second amendment here, but good lord, there is no way anyone would find that sensible. Not to mention the idea of fusing two classics together is sacrilegious in and of itself. No thank you, Ill take my Grand-dad's old 1911 over this... thing... any day.

 

[NoPants2win]

I believe the theory behind issuing infantry with 9mm weapons increase the number of enemy wounded. Wounded troops are ineffective and present a serious logistics problem.

Also, research (done mostly by Americans) tends to show that careful aiming is difficult in a firefight and in general it's more effective to carry and use a larger number of smaller rounds. This is the theory behind using 5.56 vs 7.62 ammo. You can carry twice as many rounds for the same weight. Sometimes when I point this out the internet starts on fire.

 

[Risingblade]

seem cumbersome to me

 

[Jodah]

I believe the theory behind issuing infantry with 9mm weapons increase the number of enemy wounded. Wounded troops are ineffective and present a serious logistics problem.

Also, research (done mostly by Americans) tends to show that careful aiming is difficult in a firefight and in general it's more effective to carry and use a larger number of smaller rounds. This is the theory behind using 5.56 vs 7.62 ammo. You can carry twice as many rounds for the same weight. Sometimes when I point this out the internet starts on fire.

Yeah, actually got in an argument with some friends about something like that. I said if I was stranded in the middle of the woods and could have only one gun with all the ammo I could carry I said I would take my 10/22. They said "eff that, I would take a .50 cal." I laughed at them.

 

[SwimmingRock]

And yes, that gun needs to be in a game soon as it is drool worthy.

[sub]I do admit it would be cool in a movie or videogame, though.[/sub]

Been done, actually. Alone in the Dark: The New Nightmare has a main character who wields a double-barreled revolver and a triple-barreled shotgun. This was back in 2001. Main thing I learned from that game is that they waste ammo like crazy. Also, I thought they were ridiculous, but personal taste and all that.

 

[Andy of Comix Inc]

A 9mm will bounce off a target's skin and a .45 will kill everyone in a 4 mile radius.

I choose to ignore the inherent sarcasm!

...woah, I didn't know that! That's cool. Why do people bother with 9mm?? Are they dumb?! (Seriously though, you sound like somebody who knows their shit. Like somebody living in the real world with a brain. That other guy reads like he barely finished elementary school.)

 

[Jodah]

A 9mm will bounce off a target's skin and a .45 will kill everyone in a 4 mile radius.

I choose to ignore the inherent sarcasm!

...woah, I didn't know that! That's cool. Why do people bother with 9mm?? Are they dumb?! (Seriously though, you sound like somebody who knows their shit. Like somebody living in the real world with a brain. That other guy reads like he barely finished elementary school.)

Eh, just did a lot of research when I was buying my first handgun. Ended up getting a .40 cal Glock because I live in NY state, which has a 10 round magazine law, so the extra rounds from a 9mm wouldn't be helpful for me. My primary CCW is a Kahr CW9 though.

 

[Deadyawn]

It...just looks like they welded them together.
I'm not entirely sure what I think about this. On the one hand it looks kinda dumb but on the other hand it's more gun.

hmm. I will meditate on this.

 

[CM156_v1legacy]

Gotta love the whole .45 vs 9mm debate that always seems to pop up.

Anyhow, it looks rather cool. That's one of the reasons I like guns: aesthetics. However, this just looks a bit unwieldy. I'd consider this a novelty piece if anything.

 

[Andy of Comix Inc]

A 9mm will bounce off a target's skin and a .45 will kill everyone in a 4 mile radius.

I choose to ignore the inherent sarcasm!

...woah, I didn't know that! That's cool. Why do people bother with 9mm?? Are they dumb?! (Seriously though, you sound like somebody who knows their shit. Like somebody living in the real world with a brain. That other guy reads like he barely finished elementary school.)

Eh, just did a lot of research when I was buying my first handgun. Ended up getting a .40 cal Glock because I live in NY state, which has a 10 round magazine law, so the extra rounds from a 9mm wouldn't be helpful for me. My primary CCW is a Kahr CW9 though.

Meanwhile, I know next to nothing because, beyond not being interested in gun ownsership in the slightest, I live in Australia, where the gun laws in place are pretty strict. I have no interest in hunting, either. So yeah, my experience with guns is literally Call of Duty and I still know that guy is spouting bullshit. ...from his spelling and grammar. Or lack thereof.