Double barrel pistol

[dyre]

meh another stupid gimmick gun that has absolutely no real world application ... there is no point to it and all it does is make the gun even harder to aim

No thanks, I already don't like the recoil on a normal, single-barrel .45 ACP round. Also, it looks ugly! The only thing that looks good double-barreled is an old-fashioned shotgun. And maybe a flintlock pistol.

what recoil? on a .45 acp the recoil is next to nothing unless you are a small child... I carry a Para Ordnance P14.45... all the class and functionality of a classic M1911 but with a nice 14 round double stacked mag and I can put rounds down range just as accurately and fast as you could with an M92FS 9mm... except for the fact that being a .45 instead of a 9mm when my rounds hit someone they will actually do some decent damage

also the double barrel is kinda pointless since even in a shotgun the only reason they have double barrels is for twice the shots... you are not supposed to fire both barrels at the same time... so for a handgun it makes no sense since an extended mag would accomplish the same thing but be a lot more practical

Next to nothing? I don't know what you're talking about. It's enough to be annoying while shooting. I'd gladly take my Sig P250 (yeah, shut up, I can't afford more expensive Sigs at the moment) over your Para Ordnance. And 9mm does damage just fine, on the tiny chance that I actually ever have to use it against another human being.

I didn't mean a double barrel shotgun is useful; I just think it's one of the few guns that looks alright with two barrels.

 

[dyre]

No thanks, I already don't like the recoil on a normal, single-barrel .45 ACP round. Also, it looks ugly! The only thing that looks good double-barreled is an old-fashioned shotgun. And maybe a flintlock pistol.

Perhaps something that resembles a flintlock, but has an old-style internal rifle mag? The lever action of pulling the hammer could raise and center the round perhaps, in place of a bolt action. It would have that classy look, the stopping power of two shots if so desired, and lacks the inconvenience of having to pour powder or manually load each round. Idea might need some work, but on paper it sounds cool.

Well, with that level of complexity you might as well get a revolver and decorate it

 

[Jodah]

That would be the most unwieldy piece of crap in the world...Too heavy, triggers would be difficult to fire correctly, the grip likely won't fit many people, your finger would be all wrong on the trigger, it wouldn't improve your rate of accurate fire at all, and god help you if you pull both triggers at the same time...that is the makings of a dislocated wrist.

The only reason a double barreled shotgun works is because it is shoulder fired and the triggers are front and back, not side by side.


Captcha: "dead man's hand" in a thread about guns...irony!

meh another stupid gimmick gun that has absolutely no real world application ... there is no point to it and all it does is make the gun even harder to aim

No thanks, I already don't like the recoil on a normal, single-barrel .45 ACP round. Also, it looks ugly! The only thing that looks good double-barreled is an old-fashioned shotgun. And maybe a flintlock pistol.

what recoil? on a .45 acp the recoil is next to nothing unless you are a small child... I carry a Para Ordnance P14.45... all the class and functionality of a classic M1911 but with a nice 14 round double stacked mag and I can put rounds down range just as accurately and fast as you could with an M92FS 9mm... except for the fact that being a .45 instead of a 9mm when my rounds hit someone they will actually do some decent damage

also the double barrel is kinda pointless since even in a shotgun the only reason they have double barrels is for twice the shots... you are not supposed to fire both barrels at the same time... so for a handgun it makes no sense since an extended mag would accomplish the same thing but be a lot more practical

Next to nothing? I don't know what you're talking about. It's enough to be annoying while shooting. I'd gladly take my Sig P250 (yeah, shut up, I can't afford more expensive Sigs at the moment) over your Para Ordnance. And 9mm does damage just fine, on the tiny chance that I actually ever have to use it against another human being.

I didn't mean a double barrel shotgun is useful; I just think it's one of the few guns that looks alright with two barrels.

if you think a 9mm does decent damage than you have obviously never shot a person... if you think a .45 acp's recoil is annoying than you are either a very very weak person or have limp wrists

the only people who prefer the 9mm over a real round are those who have absolutely no real experience in shooting or those that are horrible at it

the point of shooting someone is to kill them... flat out... and for that the 9x19mm Parabellum just does not cut it

Spoken like someone who has never shot a gun in his life.

 

[Sectan]

Screw practicality. If I bought that gun I doubt I'd use it for self defense. It'd be neat to bring that to a gun range and have people ask wtf it was.

It does look awesome, it would look even better being fired one in each hand while diving through the air!

Yes it would. Also, have you ever been in a high speed pursuit? I have, but I never got to fire a gun whilst in a high speed pursuit...

 

[dyre]

meh another stupid gimmick gun that has absolutely no real world application ... there is no point to it and all it does is make the gun even harder to aim

No thanks, I already don't like the recoil on a normal, single-barrel .45 ACP round. Also, it looks ugly! The only thing that looks good double-barreled is an old-fashioned shotgun. And maybe a flintlock pistol.

what recoil? on a .45 acp the recoil is next to nothing unless you are a small child... I carry a Para Ordnance P14.45... all the class and functionality of a classic M1911 but with a nice 14 round double stacked mag and I can put rounds down range just as accurately and fast as you could with an M92FS 9mm... except for the fact that being a .45 instead of a 9mm when my rounds hit someone they will actually do some decent damage

also the double barrel is kinda pointless since even in a shotgun the only reason they have double barrels is for twice the shots... you are not supposed to fire both barrels at the same time... so for a handgun it makes no sense since an extended mag would accomplish the same thing but be a lot more practical

Next to nothing? I don't know what you're talking about. It's enough to be annoying while shooting. I'd gladly take my Sig P250 (yeah, shut up, I can't afford more expensive Sigs at the moment) over your Para Ordnance. And 9mm does damage just fine, on the tiny chance that I actually ever have to use it against another human being.

I didn't mean a double barrel shotgun is useful; I just think it's one of the few guns that looks alright with two barrels.

if you think a 9mm does decent damage than you have obviously never shot a person... if you think a .45 acp's recoil is annoying than you are either a very very weak person or have limp wrists

the only people who prefer the 9mm over a real round are those who have absolutely no real experience in shooting or those that are horrible at it

the point of shooting someone is to kill them... flat out... and for that the 9x19mm Parabellum just does not cut it

Considering both the military and the police commonly use 9mm pistols, and considering plenty of people who are probably better than you at shooting like 9mm just fine, I guess I'll have to assume you're trolling. Insulting me for being "weak" or having "limp wrists" doesn't really help your case.

 

[Shock and Awe]

if you think a 9mm does decent damage than you have obviously never shot a person... if you think a .45 acp's recoil is annoying than you are either a very very weak person or have limp wrists

the only people who prefer the 9mm over a real round are those who have absolutely no real experience in shooting or those that are horrible at it

the point of shooting someone is to kill them... flat out... and for that the 9x19mm Parabellum just does not cut it

Okay then I just have a few questions for you then,

1. Have you shot a person or been shot by a 9mm round? Never done either myself, but I am damn sure a 9mm in the chest would definitely get a message across. If not there are always more bullets in the magazine. That and the amount of energy carried by a 9mm is only marginally less then a .45.

2. A .45s recoil could easily be annoying for anyone who is used to using smaller calibers like the 9mm.

3. I would direct you to the United States military, a vast majority of US police departments, and just about every European military on why the 9mm is preferred by a metric ass ton of people who definitely have experience and skill. I personally know a lot of SWAT members who swear by Glock 9mms so I'm inclined to go with them.

 

[Jodah]

That would be the most unwieldy piece of crap in the world...Too heavy, triggers would be difficult to fire correctly, the grip likely won't fit many people, your finger would be all wrong on the trigger, it wouldn't improve your rate of accurate fire at all, and god help you if you pull both triggers at the same time...that is the makings of a dislocated wrist.

The only reason a double barreled shotgun works is because it is shoulder fired and the triggers are front and back, not side by side.


Captcha: "dead man's hand" in a thread about guns...irony!

meh another stupid gimmick gun that has absolutely no real world application ... there is no point to it and all it does is make the gun even harder to aim

No thanks, I already don't like the recoil on a normal, single-barrel .45 ACP round. Also, it looks ugly! The only thing that looks good double-barreled is an old-fashioned shotgun. And maybe a flintlock pistol.

what recoil? on a .45 acp the recoil is next to nothing unless you are a small child... I carry a Para Ordnance P14.45... all the class and functionality of a classic M1911 but with a nice 14 round double stacked mag and I can put rounds down range just as accurately and fast as you could with an M92FS 9mm... except for the fact that being a .45 instead of a 9mm when my rounds hit someone they will actually do some decent damage

also the double barrel is kinda pointless since even in a shotgun the only reason they have double barrels is for twice the shots... you are not supposed to fire both barrels at the same time... so for a handgun it makes no sense since an extended mag would accomplish the same thing but be a lot more practical

Next to nothing? I don't know what you're talking about. It's enough to be annoying while shooting. I'd gladly take my Sig P250 (yeah, shut up, I can't afford more expensive Sigs at the moment) over your Para Ordnance. And 9mm does damage just fine, on the tiny chance that I actually ever have to use it against another human being.

I didn't mean a double barrel shotgun is useful; I just think it's one of the few guns that looks alright with two barrels.

if you think a 9mm does decent damage than you have obviously never shot a person... if you think a .45 acp's recoil is annoying than you are either a very very weak person or have limp wrists

the only people who prefer the 9mm over a real round are those who have absolutely no real experience in shooting or those that are horrible at it

the point of shooting someone is to kill them... flat out... and for that the 9x19mm Parabellum just does not cut it

Spoken like someone who has never shot a gun in his life.

spoken like someone who's combat experience is playing a few COD games

http://www.chuckhawks.com/handgun_power_chart.htm
http://www.best9mm.com/9mmballistics.html
http://www.handloads.com/misc/stoppingpower.asp?Caliber=0&Weight=All

As you would see if you actually did some research instead of believing the nonsense myths that abound about 9mm stopping power the difference is minimal at best. Yes, a .45 will have far more stopping power if you use FMJ but anyone who uses FMJ for self defense is fucking retarded. A quality 9mm hollow point has more than enough stopping power for a one shot kill with a fraction of the recoil, allowing for quicker follow up shots.

 

[nackertash]

That is childish and reaaaaaallly fucked up.
What is it for? Honestly why does that thing exist?
Also it isn't cool, this is real life and that thing is designed to take lives.

 

[Slayer_2]

Looks retarded, totally impractical, it's one of those things that singles out people with too much money. I'd rather have two SEPARATE .45's, probably cheaper, and far more practical.

 

[Shock and Awe]

if you think a 9mm does decent damage than you have obviously never shot a person... if you think a .45 acp's recoil is annoying than you are either a very very weak person or have limp wrists

the only people who prefer the 9mm over a real round are those who have absolutely no real experience in shooting or those that are horrible at it

the point of shooting someone is to kill them... flat out... and for that the 9x19mm Parabellum just does not cut it

Okay then I just have a few questions for you then,

1. Have you shot a person or been shot by a 9mm round? Never done either myself, but I am damn sure a 9mm in the chest would definitely get a message across. If not there are always more bullets in the magazine. That and the amount of energy carried by a 9mm is only marginally less then a .45.

2. A .45s recoil could easily be annoying for anyone who is used to using smaller calibers like the 9mm.

3. I would direct you to the United States military, a vast majority of US police departments, and just about every European military on why the 9mm is preferred by a metric ass ton of people who definitely have experience and skill.

again 8 years 0311 0317... i've probably killed more people in real life than comprise your actual family...

the 9mm is a wounding round.. useless in war but ok for cops where the point is to NOT KILL.. hell most soldier are never even issued a sidearm

again by the time a normal soldier pulls his sidearms it is already over except for the crying... no spec ops unit uses the 9mm because it is useless... the 9mm is only preferred by people who NEVER SEE REAL COMBAT

I have no idea where you are getting the idea of a "wounding round". The idea that it does nothing more then wound a target is a load of bullshit especially since 9mm rounds are more effective against body armor then the slower .45. You also keep saying that "real soldiers" never even use a sidearm so how in the hell is it even going to make a difference whether its a .45 or 9mm? By what you are saying you're dead regardless. Furthermore the SAS is definitely a Special Ops unit and they seem to be quite happy with their 9mm pistols. [http://www.eliteukforces.info/special-air-service/weapons/sas-handguns.php].

Oh and by the way, just because you were in the Corps does not mean you can act like a superior jackass to everyone else. If you want people to respect your opinion you should first learn to give it without trying to be the big man of the group.

 

[dyre]

meh another stupid gimmick gun that has absolutely no real world application ... there is no point to it and all it does is make the gun even harder to aim

No thanks, I already don't like the recoil on a normal, single-barrel .45 ACP round. Also, it looks ugly! The only thing that looks good double-barreled is an old-fashioned shotgun. And maybe a flintlock pistol.

what recoil? on a .45 acp the recoil is next to nothing unless you are a small child... I carry a Para Ordnance P14.45... all the class and functionality of a classic M1911 but with a nice 14 round double stacked mag and I can put rounds down range just as accurately and fast as you could with an M92FS 9mm... except for the fact that being a .45 instead of a 9mm when my rounds hit someone they will actually do some decent damage

also the double barrel is kinda pointless since even in a shotgun the only reason they have double barrels is for twice the shots... you are not supposed to fire both barrels at the same time... so for a handgun it makes no sense since an extended mag would accomplish the same thing but be a lot more practical

Next to nothing? I don't know what you're talking about. It's enough to be annoying while shooting. I'd gladly take my Sig P250 (yeah, shut up, I can't afford more expensive Sigs at the moment) over your Para Ordnance. And 9mm does damage just fine, on the tiny chance that I actually ever have to use it against another human being.

I didn't mean a double barrel shotgun is useful; I just think it's one of the few guns that looks alright with two barrels.

if you think a 9mm does decent damage than you have obviously never shot a person... if you think a .45 acp's recoil is annoying than you are either a very very weak person or have limp wrists

the only people who prefer the 9mm over a real round are those who have absolutely no real experience in shooting or those that are horrible at it

the point of shooting someone is to kill them... flat out... and for that the 9x19mm Parabellum just does not cut it

Considering both the military and the police commonly use 9mm pistols, and considering plenty of people who are probably better than you at shooting like 9mm just fine, I guess I'll have to assume you're trolling. Insulting me for being "weak" or having "limp wrists" doesn't really help your case.

eh again spoken life someone who's entire knowledge of killing people with guns comes from FPS games... the reason cops use the 9mm is because it is a WOUNDING round not a killing round... the military despises it.. find me a spec op unit that issues the 9mm... you can't cause they don't... they issue 9mm to regular troops for the simple fact most of them need 15 rounds to even hit a target and when the time comes for them to draw a sidearm they are already dead

You've got some serious attitude problems, not to mention this funny idea that shot placement doesn't matter and only the "damage" of a bullet matters. At some point, get your dad to get a pistol license, have him buy a .45 cal pistol, and try it out on a range. As for killing people, don't worry about that and be glad we have actual soldiers protecting us from having to do that sort of thing.

 

[Pfheonix]

Need to kill that fucking zombie dead as shit? Get the double barrel .45! Also, as a side note, stopping power refers to the amount of energy which can be transferred to the target from the bullet. For example, a bullet which maintains a pointed shape when passing through a target has little stopping power compared to the round tipped or concave pistol bullet. However, if you have a .38 and a .45, the .45 ACP has more energy and it comes in hollow point as well. FMJ does not provide more stopping power, as it retains the shape of the bullet, thus possibly over-penetrating. Please note, I am referring to empirical values, and unarmored targets.

However, a 9mm will provide plenty of man-dropping force. And, if you wanna get technical, convert a Colt M1911 to .38 and you'll have better follow up shots as well.

 

[Jodah]

That would be the most unwieldy piece of crap in the world...Too heavy, triggers would be difficult to fire correctly, the grip likely won't fit many people, your finger would be all wrong on the trigger, it wouldn't improve your rate of accurate fire at all, and god help you if you pull both triggers at the same time...that is the makings of a dislocated wrist.

The only reason a double barreled shotgun works is because it is shoulder fired and the triggers are front and back, not side by side.


Captcha: "dead man's hand" in a thread about guns...irony!

meh another stupid gimmick gun that has absolutely no real world application ... there is no point to it and all it does is make the gun even harder to aim

No thanks, I already don't like the recoil on a normal, single-barrel .45 ACP round. Also, it looks ugly! The only thing that looks good double-barreled is an old-fashioned shotgun. And maybe a flintlock pistol.

what recoil? on a .45 acp the recoil is next to nothing unless you are a small child... I carry a Para Ordnance P14.45... all the class and functionality of a classic M1911 but with a nice 14 round double stacked mag and I can put rounds down range just as accurately and fast as you could with an M92FS 9mm... except for the fact that being a .45 instead of a 9mm when my rounds hit someone they will actually do some decent damage

also the double barrel is kinda pointless since even in a shotgun the only reason they have double barrels is for twice the shots... you are not supposed to fire both barrels at the same time... so for a handgun it makes no sense since an extended mag would accomplish the same thing but be a lot more practical

Next to nothing? I don't know what you're talking about. It's enough to be annoying while shooting. I'd gladly take my Sig P250 (yeah, shut up, I can't afford more expensive Sigs at the moment) over your Para Ordnance. And 9mm does damage just fine, on the tiny chance that I actually ever have to use it against another human being.

I didn't mean a double barrel shotgun is useful; I just think it's one of the few guns that looks alright with two barrels.

if you think a 9mm does decent damage than you have obviously never shot a person... if you think a .45 acp's recoil is annoying than you are either a very very weak person or have limp wrists

the only people who prefer the 9mm over a real round are those who have absolutely no real experience in shooting or those that are horrible at it

the point of shooting someone is to kill them... flat out... and for that the 9x19mm Parabellum just does not cut it

Spoken like someone who has never shot a gun in his life.

spoken like someone who's combat experience is playing a few COD games

http://www.chuckhawks.com/handgun_power_chart.htm
http://www.best9mm.com/9mmballistics.html
http://www.handloads.com/misc/stoppingpower.asp?Caliber=0&Weight=All

As you would see if you actually did some research instead of believing the nonsense myths that abound about 9mm stopping power the difference is minimal at best. Yes, a .45 will have far more stopping power if you use FMJ but anyone who uses FMJ for self defense is fucking retarded. A quality 9mm hollow point has more than enough stopping power for a one shot kill with a fraction of the recoil, allowing for quicker follow up shots.

you do understand we aren't allowed to use hollow points in war? of course not because you are an arm chair shooter who has no experience beyond random websites you google... and yes the 9mm hollow point is decent but again is still pointless when put next to a nice .45 round

the 9mm hollowpoint... will work but is still on the low end of efficiency when placed next to a .45 soft jacket

again try getting some REAL experience instead of relying on biased armchair articles

Yes, I did know that the military cannot use hollow points and for them a .45 is useful. For everyone else it isn't. But you know what, I'm done. By now I know better than to argue with people on the internet. Any random idiot can start spouting out nonsense without backing it up. So, you win, everything you said is true. A 9mm will bounce off a target's skin and a .45 will kill everyone in a 4 mile radius.